HOW TO improve your motorcycle riding! // my FIRST observed ride with IAM Roadsmart

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Hey Everyone,
At the beginning of the year, when I quit my 9-5 job, I stated in a vlog that I was going full time with RU-vid and I was planning to embark on further motorcycle training.
I wanted to cover road, track, offroad - really as many disciplines as I could!
I thought about doing my IAM qualification to try and test myself and of course wanted to learn lots in the meantime!
After 2 months of delays starting the course - due to illness and being unable to ride a bike, I started my IAM journey with my mentor and first observer - Dave Lindley!
If you would like to read a more in-depth breakdown of this day: please refer to my website for the blog/diary.
Anyway, I hope you enjoy this vlog!
If you are interested in embarking on your IAM journey, there is info here:
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I was not paid to attend this course and all views are my own
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@UsernameKate Год назад

Hey Everyone! I did these rides with BRAM (Bury and Rochdale Advanced Motorists) and they're a good bunch! You can find out more about them here: www.bramgroup.co.uk

@gordonhenderson1708 Год назад

All of us could take your lead on continuing motorcycle education. Very wise! Nice to see!

@alisonsmith7192 Год назад

Fantastic that you are highlighting how good this training is. My husband and I both completed this year and successfully took our test last month. We couldn’t believe how dedicated, encouraging and helpful the observers are. I would recommend 100% that everyone should do this & nerves are normal! The ‘system’ will stay with me for every ride.

@everythinggaming7938 Год назад

Great video, no matter how experienced someone thinks they are at riding guaranteed there is always something new to learn. Everyone should do something like this

@lozv9974 Год назад

I’m laughing because that was my issue, speeding! Then I went the opposite way on my test 😮 however I am pleased to say I passed and got a first 😜 you’ll smash this Kate and I’m sure you will learn and benefit from it, I certainly did and my husband did who’s been riding for a long time, and now an observer. Looking forward to your next update 👏🏼

@andrewturner2717 Год назад

Did this just over a year ago as a stepping stone to Blood Biking and I am so glad I did the qualification. It makes you more confident, safe and able on 2 wheels. You'll enjoy it more as the weeks progress. It's not about riding slowly or defensively but more about being aware of everything around you and making progress. Speed gates were a real steep learning curve for me too!!

@aristoneschaton2218 Год назад

im thinking of doing the same thing for the exact same reason. I got my ERS a couple of months back - but id like to get an IAM qualification too, as part of my intention to continually try to master bikecraft/roadcraft etc. The possibility of maybe doing bloodbiking at a future point just gives a drive/reason to do it. Im not really a biker thats into stunts, wheelies or loud exhausts (which makes me sound very dull hehe!) but I love riding my bike and the whole experience - adrenaline rush is a scary place for me - and i wont enjoy my ride if chunks of it are spent being frightnened all the time. Anyway - extra qualifications like ERS and the IAM series I believe give improved risk management when on the road - which can only be a good thing i reckon. :-)

@Cowelly84 Год назад

I'm 2 sessions away from my test. Absolutely loving the lessons. Learnt so much and my confidence has increased so much. Enoy every step Kate

@stoatsngroatsuk5012 Год назад

As a new rider, this is something I’ll be doing next year. I’ve already contacted my local IAM group to check in with them. Thanks for sharing this and the whole process as you go along. And we’ll done for being critical of your own performance, that’s always the best place to start! 🙏👍

@eithne50 Год назад

'Up my chuff'. I always come away from your videos an expanded vocabulary! Educational in all senses of the word. I haven't done my IAM, but hated being observed on my standard test; it didn't help that there was a particular instructor who was on my back in more ways than one. Didn't help with my confidence at all, but I can imagine an instructor like Dave would help much more. Thanks Kate.

@ianmott856 Год назад

Good luck with your training . I've got my ROSPA test next week. I found it can be mentally draining taking it all in but after a few rides out with my observer it has transformed my riding . Hopefully I won't mess the test up . Fingers crossed

@TwoFourCharlie007 Год назад

Great that your giving the IAM some credit Kate,well done to you, I did notice you straightening out a few bends…..no problem, but remember that shoulder check before you do cross those white lines….safety,stability,view looking forward to the next one

@2wheelsturning54 Год назад

Great vid Kate - thanks for sharing. Kudos for letting us see you unexpectedly stressed being scrutinised by your mentor / instructor - I think anyone in their right mind would feel the same! Haven't done the IAM course yet, you are persuading me to splash the cash to do so!

@paulhallett9206 Год назад

Well done for getting started, I'm sure you'll enjoy it once you get used to being followed. Did David comment on your "off siding"? Looking forward to seeing the rest of your journey.

@AW8UK Год назад

Passed my IAM Roadsmart earlier this year. Always interesting to watch others on their journey(s). In the vids of yours I have seen you aren't shy with progress...You also have additional skills in your back pocket too 👍 As highlighted by your observer (David) you look confident when you ride....I am sure we will see more development of obs scanning & restraint (at times) as this series progresses. Curious to see whether your offsiding gets tweaked prior to ticking boxes for I.A.M Roadsmart Test....I have seen your Rapid vid & aware of Ryan's background btw 😉 A lot of riders relate, respect & look up to you ! I really hope this series encourages more fresh blood involved in advanced activities & circles. Some have preconceptions of advanced riders/drivers...For the record I smile when I ride & don't have a Day-Glo one piece riding suit...Oh & I don't ride a GS btw (couldn't resist- sorry ) 😉😅 Thanks for sharing. Ride Safe 👍🏍

@NooBiker Год назад

I'm going to watch this with interest even though I already know the result (I've seen a video that's since been deleted 😂) As a newly qualified Observer it is quite interesting seeing the perspective of an associate again. Even though I'm sure Dave told you to just ride like you normally do, it's quite easy to forget how associates still feel quite nervous. Great idea to do this series and I hope it encourages more people to try advanced rider training 👍

@boblynch7535 Год назад

Great Vlog,as usual. This is all so pertinent to me for I’ve had a 40+ year hiatus from motorcycles. I’ve been mountain biking and skiing. So, back in my 20s we road like idiots! There was no protocol for position 1,2 and 3! You just opened the throttle until you got scared! I picked up a 900 Tiger last April. My goal is to not get hurt and vlogs like yours are a huge inspiration. That being said, the Idaho motorcycle manual gives us 15 mph grace while passing. And there’s an unwritten grace of 5 mph always.

@karenclough3075 Год назад

I’m so glad you said you were nervous!! My first ride I was crapping it, plus there were two as one was a newly qualified observer wanting to pick up tips. I’m in the middle of my observed rides, weather and road conditions are putting things on a back burner but as I’m being taught, safety over everything - never do something that puts you in danger. Will be following to see how you find the course. Stay safe! 😊

@keitht3055 Год назад

Nice one Kate, a really interesting vlog. What a surprise that you started and ended at an eating place 😂. I know that you snapped me as I passed you on the 62 but, I didn't realise (until now) that I was in the vlog 👍👍. Yippee! Keep up the good work and stay safe.

@a68war Год назад

Nice one, using your IPSGA and TUG information. Glad you are doing this, I became a IAM (Truck, Car and Bike) member about 32 years ago and been a member of IAM since without retaking test, although did a six-week refresher with AAMC on the Saturdays from Bristol 2008-9 ish, lived up there for 10 years, and later joined CAM here in Cornwall. I am not a member of CAM now but keep up my IAM yearly fee member. It's hard to find time to for the group rides etc. I crashed a brand new Z1000SX, snappy throttle, I gave it a bit to pick bike up, like I would have on my Hayabusa no problem, and front went away from me on cold dry surface, leathers dug into road compacting my shoulder and breaking ribs in 2012 on a test ride doing about 15mph on a cold Feb day going around a well-known round-about (I have a theory bike dipped in quick and leant, lots saying the first bike did this, I owned 2020 Ninja 1000SX and nothing like it) So don't get too overconfident, broke five ribs, can happen to anyone but just saying I think I'm a good rider, but we must always watch out. Shocked me, happened so quick, how did I feel😞£640 later!

@joebass2468 Год назад

Interesting video. I passed my IAM many years ago and then joined my local RoSPA group 6 years ago as a refresher to get rid of any bad habits after years of riding (which reminds me that I've got to book my next retest). To be fair, so many speed limit signs are almost completely hidden by overgrown hedges these days that it can be tricky to spot them at all, let alone in enough time for a planned slow down!

@chewitt3654 Год назад

Passed my Advanced Bike test about 3 years ago , you will learn a lot you never thought about before, i am due to take my IAM advanced Car test in a week or so so i will have both , good luck and hope you get a 1st. I did think it wasn’t great having to keep checking your mirrors though to find out which way they wanted you to go as you are taking your eyes off what is in front of you, i got a bit frustrated with doing that.

@creedm3040 Год назад

That was fascinating! I enjoyed the feedback he gave you. He is a good instructor. I will definitely look into that course here. Best!

@deanroberts187 Год назад

Just starting my IAM journey. Was meant to have my first ride last weekend but too icy. Looking forward to rest of your videos. Good luck.

@smudgersmith22 Год назад

Well done Kate. I've just completed my IAM advanced after over 3o years of motorcycling as I figured any addidtional training can't be a bad thing. Your clearly a very competent rider already and from what I saw on this vlog you did a very decent first assessed ride. Best advice I was given through the course is to ride your own ride, taking on board the feedback and learning points obv's, but take the chance when you can to show your capbilities either to you rassessor or the examiner. Worked for me as I managed to get a F1rst and I reckon you could too if you want it. Best of luck.

@chrisa1963 Год назад

I'm just at the same stage as you. I've had my first observed ride now I'm waiting for the IAM paperwork and stuff to arrive and then I'll be allocated an observer. Then ... crack on.

@chrisbutlersmith9970 Год назад

Hi Kate don't be nervous . I did it about 10 years ago and I enjoyed the whole process . Just enjoy it will improve your riding skills etc 😉

@stevieeplea5611 Год назад

Great vlog Kate ride safe lovely 😍

@mikep.9371 Год назад

Glad you had a good follow through (hehe) while being nervous (like most everyone). The briefing (after action report) brought up some very good points. Hope you have a great weekend Kate.

@DavidJohnston58 Год назад

Interesting to see advanced motorcycling course and hear debrief. I have IAM and RoSPA advanced tests for cars which have helped me over the years. Good decision Kate.

@happygilmorides7353 Год назад

Awesome ride and positioning. I once forgot to give up position for safety on a lefter with crest, in some police training, lorry almost took me out! Never did it again. Ride safe :)

@ritchsuk1840 Год назад

Well done for starting your IAM journey, it will make you a better rider :)

@amyk9813 Год назад

Love this video! You advocate for the motorcycle training, I advocate for the driving training 😁 I must do a pov video like you too!

@stevepest3184 Год назад

Absolutely brilliant I’ll be watching next now can’t wait for weather getting better so can get on my twin africa

@guystevens162 Год назад

Good video Kate. We can always learn new stuff no matter how long or good we think we are.😄

@dondle2 Год назад

Well done Lass, onwards and upwards. !!

@pollekepmtb Год назад

Good one Kate. Watch and learn. Nice serie.

@ttrguy9952 Год назад

Fantastic video Kate!! Awesome stuff Lady! Many Roses for you, 🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🏆🏆 Ride SAFE and BE safe Kate!

@5thgearouttahere Год назад

Really enjoy these different training vids Kate, thank you. I have a digital copy of that course book & there's some beaut info in there. Have you ever used the kickstand for spinning the bike around? Use it frequently myself and have taught it to a couple of smaller riders I'd seen having to do the 12-point turn 😉 Keep it up 👍🏼

@bradleyalexander5821 Год назад

Excellent Vlog. I love the way you said “live in your mirrors” that’s a great way to think. On a non-judgemental subject, when you ride you flip your face shield up and down. No eye protection at all when shield up. In the States you could get a traffic ticket from the coppers. We always have some sort of glasses on.

@britinthebasque2037 Год назад

Well done Kate, you will get a huge amount from the IAM course. Enjoy and ride safe!

@jaygorakht5135 Год назад

Lots of love ✌️😍no words artistic ride

@justmejohn773 Год назад

Interesting video crocodile. I started my advanced riding with the Enhanced Rider Scheme. Actually learned some useful stuff. Looking at RoSPA next. Probably next Summer now. Ride safe.

@AndyTheBadgerBarton Год назад

Hi Kate, We met on the first day of the Birmingham NEC bike show on the Bike sure stand. I won’t give the game away, but we’ll done for doing all these films. Can I say, meeting you was the highlight of my visit and to be honest one of the highlights of my year. I have watched nearly all of the films you have produced on RU-vid and got the feeling that you were genuine, kind, professional and approachable. To say I was NOT disappointed is an understatement. You are just lovely and you should very proud of yourself for being you. I can also say that the camera does lie, as you are even more beautiful in real life. Anyway, thank you for having a chat to me at the show and making an old man very happy. I hope we can bump into each other sometime over the peaks and I will buy your a coffee/ tea. Stay safe and keep up the great work. X

@loki1066 3 месяца назад

STALKER ALERT 🤣

@tonybarton3746 Год назад

Best thing I did 25 years ago Kate , good luck on your future ride outs 😊👍👍

@loki1066 3 месяца назад

Glad you're doing this - always wanted to give it a try but a bit apprehensive 😏

@gairtalboys6014 Год назад

I know how you feel. I have only done my first observation ride and I was proper nervous too.

@iainf6 Год назад

Well done Kate! 😉😎👌👏👏👏👏 Think I would have gone to pieces....you come over very confident which is a massive plus.. does he brief you on road position before bends etc....and speed suited to road conditions? So chuffed for you to take this IAMs course, you will need to carry on in this frame of mind. Brilliant first ride. Hope Usernamedad was pleased. 😉👏👏👏👏

@Shadw_Wolff Год назад

Really interesting to see what your first ride on the IAM course being observed was like, I am considering doing it at some point myself there always room to improve & learn more. Definitely looking forward to seeing upcoming videos on this & of course to see how you do!

@iansouter8476 Год назад

Ask your local IAMROADSMART for a free taster session.

@roverchap Год назад

Good luck with the course. I did it in 2020/21. Most people had a GS! lol.

@stevebarnhurst Год назад

Love this Kate! I passed a few months ago and can empathize 100%. I was nervous at the start of every ride and it’s hard work checking your mirrors constantly to watch where they indicate while also managing everything in front of you. Observation Anticipation and Planning are key but it’s such a great course. You’ll mail it for sure but come on… what did he score your first ride…..?😜

@damon1957ful Год назад

Good luck and enjoy

@muhammadedisantuso1375 Год назад

The important thing is to keep the enthusiasm and continue to make the next video I always wish you good luck travel camping Fans From Indonesia

@staryjanek Год назад

IPSGA you'll be saying that in your sleep :) you went very quiet :) The new logbook looks swish. This stuff stays with you for life and soon becomes second nature. Good luck

@Rodders1 Год назад

And TUG and POWDERS and THE GOLDEN RULE. Ahhhhh.

@iansouter8476 Год назад

Really good first ride. Ask your Observer about speed limit gateways, these will help picking up changes in speed limits.

@joeybobbie1 Год назад

Hi Kate. Great Video. I bet that would make you Nervous, I know I would be. Is the Advanced Rider Evaluation for some sort of License? Here in the States once you get a Motorcycle License, your good to go the rest of your Life. No taking the Test again or anything. Anyway, I think you did Great considering the Pressure you were under. They do have Riding Courses here in the U.S. and I plan on taking a few. I grew up Riding and have Ridden Bikes my whole Life. I’m 62 now and want to take some Off-road Ridding Courses on the R1200GS. It’s a Big Bike and a lot Larger from what I’m used to Riding Off Road. So it’s a good idea to take all the Courses I can. I think everyone should. It could save your Life one Day. Big Howdy from Texas.👍❤️ 20:30

@shuttlefish59 Год назад

You are a confident rider Kate, but if doing a course helps you learn 1 thing that could save your life, that can only be a good thing right? Advanced riding courses do have a certain amount of stigma attached, safety has almost become a dirty word. But safe does not have to mean boring or slow. Advanced riding courses can improve our skill levels confidence and enjoyment of riding. Win win :) I thought you did a very good 1st ride. Following this series of videos with interest 👌

@tonymear8264 Год назад

That was great Kate! I’ve just passed my IAM and so much of what you experienced resonated with me. You might think about turning your sat-nav off. If you don’t need it for navigation then it is a distraction. It was interesting that you missed a speed limit change but saw it on the sat nav. I wonder if you’d have seen the road sign if the sat nav hadn’t been on? Good luck with it, I’m sure you’ll fly through it!

@UsernameKate Год назад

In a real world situation, my nav doesn't move from my bike. I think you should be able to become an advanced rider whether it's there or not personally but that's just my opinion. I use it as well because where my camera is placed, it's easier to read the digital speed on the nav than the small analogue speed and makes life easier. I also usually disregard the speed limits on the nav because they're usually wrong but in that instance, it helped 😊

@tonymear8264 Год назад

@@UsernameKate you’re probably right Kate. I find it difficult to walk and talk at the same time 😀. I lost count of the 30s, 40s and 50s I blasted through to the despair of my observer 😂

@UsernameKate Год назад

🤭 we're only human!

@EmeraldExplorer1200 Год назад

Interesting topic, I want to do an advanced riding course with ROSPA but only bought my Triumph Explorer XC in August so want do a few miles on it before I start some advanced training, hopefully start late autumn/spring.

@motorcycleman6898 Год назад

@Gavin Bailey Any reasons you prefer ROSPA? I’d like to do an advanced course and can’t find any useful info to help me decide between IAM and ROSPA.

@EmeraldExplorer1200 Год назад

@@motorcycleman6898no reason in particular.

@canine001 Год назад

Just passed the advanced test last month, I've enjoyed the observed rides and good feedback from the city of Belfast advanced group (coBam) observers. You'll enjoy it and the system is really good once it starts to click and can be applied even when you pay slightly less attention to the nationals than you should 😉 Not that anyone would ever do that of course 😂

@THE-APEX Год назад

I’ve heard “the nationals” mentioned several times in videos recently. I’m from the States and don’t understand the reference. What is it? Thanks!

@canine001 Год назад

@@THE-APEX it refers to the national speed limits which here is 60mph on normal roads and 70mph on motorways/dual carriageways. They are the limits that apply unless otherwise signed.

@THE-APEX Год назад

@@canine001 ahhh, that makes sense. Thank you.

@mikeroberts Год назад

Kate, great to see you've got started on this (though probably a while ago). It's natural to feel the presure when you first start out. You'll soon get used to the mirrors thing. It does have a purpose, by improving your 360 degree, in head, image of what is going on around you. Was there no mention of The System and IPSGA? Or did it just not make the edit? A good exercise next time you are out is to verbalise every road sign you see (either in your head or actually say it). There's so much information out there, other than just speed limits, that many riders don't make use of. Look forward to seeing some more of this series. I've some demo rides and footage of riders I've Observed which you, or others may find useful.

@UsernameKate Год назад

If I included everything in the edit, it would be four hours long 🤣 The aim of this video is just to show people my personal journey. It stretches over 4 observed rides and the test so no need to cram every into one vlog 😊

@mikeroberts Год назад

@@UsernameKate No probs, I understand. I was just surprised as system/IPSGA is fundamental. I look forward to seeing the rest.

@grumpsrides6074 Год назад

Good on ya Kate. Keep it up 👍 I still find it weird, watching riders, on advanced courses, riding on the wrong side of the road 😳 I know, as I've done similar courses, that this is perfectly safe and correct (in most cases), but it still 'looks' weird 🤔🤣 Enjoy your next ride, don't over think it. Take on the information you are given, but mostly, enjoy the ride, it makes it so much easier 👍 Grumps

@paulsephton3159 Год назад

Relax Ms Username, you're a natural.

@chema1546 Год назад

Ok 👌👍 super Kate

@matthewkirkland2504 Год назад

I'm currently doing my advanced motorcycle training too, currently on hold because of the weather. Love the content, I have to ask why the Hi-Vis inside out?

@UsernameKate Год назад

Hey Matthew, best of luck with it! Erm... I somehow acquired a Euro Car Parts hi vis and I think they're only for staff of which i'm not and have never been (this hi vis' was heavily branded) :)

@soulrebelno1 Год назад

A quick question, Kate, where did you get the GoPro helmet bracket from?

@stuartlewis-gough3722 Год назад

Hi Kate, is that the ruroc atlas 4 you're wearing, what are your thoughts on it.

@David-dg4vo Год назад

Hi Kate, what make is your Jacket in this vid, also what's it like, any good

@ZenMotoMCR 7 месяцев назад

that crossing you came to is on the way to Bury, straight is Bury, left is towards Radcliffe and its not far from Focus Rider Training am i right ?

@nokneedownian8521 Год назад

I watched a good one with tea pot 1 and lamb chops and the police fascinating what they are looking at

@paulclarke1233 Год назад

Hi Kate, when you had the first talk the the observer about the the ride . The sound was low compared to the sound with your Mike talked

@loki1066 3 месяца назад

The video probably distorts but I'm not sure I liked his O/T with the oncoming car 😏

@garrykelly Год назад

Looking to book mine in Jan 23

@marcbrasse747 10 месяцев назад

You where RALLY nervous, weren’t you?! I’ve got the same problem with speed signs. I am often so focused on the situational awareness including the rest of the traffic it almost secondary to me to look at the signs. Which it if course isn’t!

@stephenchapman8344 Год назад

Defo picked up on track day skills don’t always work when applied to road craft skills. Always confused me. 😂. Mate of mine always says, “ ride it like you stole it ! “ Not literally of course. 😂

@Bowlin01 Год назад

I would encourage everyone to do some form of advances training (IAM or ROSPA) I found it great fun, very enjoyable and obviously you learn a lot. Interesting that you were allowed to use a SatNav on your ride, I know that I wasn't (that might have changed since I did my IAM test.)

@UsernameKate Год назад

I wasn't using it as such, it was just showing a general map of the road, no instructions/directions.

@Bowlin01 Год назад

@@UsernameKate (cough!) “…the SatNav told me it was a 60…”😂🤣😂🤣

@UsernameKate Год назад

yea once!!! LOL

@Jose.G.Rider1981 Год назад

What kind of helmet are you wearing?, I like it

@f86sabjf Год назад

If anyone knows of anything like this in the USA please let me know . Never seen anything like it but very interested

@Grahamvfr Год назад

Phew, hard work looking in your mirrors for hints of direction, looks like a distraction. We'll done Kate

@sonkaldo Год назад

Interesting thing that you both missed. When you pulled up behind the L plate driver you stoped smack bang behind the middle of the car. You should be over to the drivers side mirror. One si that they can see there is s bike behind them and to if you are going yo get rammed from behind you have an escape route.

@UsernameKate Год назад

He didn't miss it. I can't include everything in the vlog it would be 4 hours long.

@Ridewithunicorn 7 месяцев назад

Hi Kate 🎉🎉🎉❤u

@UsernameKate 7 месяцев назад

Hello!!

@juristimma5366 Год назад

how much cost this training?

@davidraymonde6474 Год назад

The Advanced Rider Course costs £175. This will get you the Course Manual, a year's membership of both IAM RoadSmart and your local Group, the final test fees and a number of Observed rides (typically 6-12) to help you to reach an Advanced standard.

@56Spookdog Год назад

Is this for a government endorsement? What sort of cost is it if any, if it’s a government endowment for you license I’m sure glad it’s so much different in the U.S.

@xl447 Год назад

No, it is a further series of training rides under a road safety charity called IAM Roadsmart that carry on your further motorcycle coaching once you have passed your DVSA (Government) motorcycle test. A sort of self improvement if you like. Another similar organisation in UK is ROSPA. I have done it and am an Observer, I generally like to match our bikes up so I may be out with an Associate on my Gixer 1000 for example. It's all good fun with fast road skill days on UK tracks too. Many groups have regular ride outs and annual tours.

@robertpaterson3646 Год назад

There is an American version. It's based around the British system but with the obvious differences. I think it's something like 'American Advanced Driving Association' but I may be wrong with the name.

@scottdiver36 Год назад

Kate not a great start did you have your contacts in 🙆 and a no entry just hope your ride goes well back to basics 😹

@Rodders1 Год назад

@Usernamekate I'm going through the advanced training myself right now and my first ride was just like yours, missed limit signs, wrong position, etc, etc. anyone who thinks they are brilliant on a bike needs to take a free observed ride with these guys and they'll soon realize they're not as good as they thought. riding to and keeping to specific speed limits without going over or under, always being in the correct position, cornering at the limit where possible, watching for the limit point on bends none of that is easy. I'd say if people do the course and don't pass the test and give up they'd still have learned a great deal more than if they'd never done it. nerve wracking? yes. Frustrating? yes. Annoying at times? very. Helpful observers? definitely and they tell it like it is but that's only cos they want you to get it right which is why it's annoying at times.