Is Once Saved Always Saved Biblical? Debate Pt.1 | Ono Reacts 

Salvation cannot be lost just like a familial relationship cannot be lost because of the bloodline. The scriptures are clear that whom God chooses, His "elect", whose names were written in heaven before the foundation of the earth, whom Jesus said He would by no means lose (John 6:39) but would raise "all" up at the last day, cannot lose their salvation. Psalm 65: 4, "Blessed is the man whom YOU CHOOSE, and CAUSE to approach You, that HE MAY DWELL IN YOUR COURTS [meaning forever]..." Jer. 32:39, 40, "I WILL GIVE them one heart, and ONE WAY [Jesus is the WAY], that they may fear Me FOREVER...And I WILL MAKE an everlasting covenant [in Jesus' blood] with them, that I will not turn away from them, to do them good; but I WILL PUT My fear in their hearts, that they SHALL NOT DEPART [Heb. "sur", apostatize] from Me."

@@AtTheDockOfTheBay Even Jesus Himself, spoke of names being blotted out of the Book of Life. Revelation 3:5 KJVS [5] He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. OSAS is a false doctrine. We must overcome in order to have eternal salvation. We must keep the faith. 1Jn 5:4 We must obey Jesus. Hebrews 5:9 KJVS [9] And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that 👉🏿obey him;

@@roblane5699 You know, you can quibble with me all you want, because I'm nobody. I didn't write the scriptures. They speak for themselves. Corey explained your contention with the "blotting" out of the book of life very well from the Greek. But because you can't grasp it, you want to fight against anybody who agrees with it. Apparently, you fail to understand, that His "elect" DO obey Him, that's why they are called His "elect". Jesus said in Matt. 24:24, that only His "elect" will not be seduced to apostasy by the false teachers, which exactly aligns with the blatant teaching of Jer. 32:40, which I previously wrote about. Why can't they apostatize? Because Jesus Himself "KEEPS" them, just like He said of the 11 apostles in John 17:12, 13, "While I was with them in the world, I KEPT them in Your name. Those whom You gave Me I have KEPT; and NONE of them is lost except the son of perdition, that the scripture might be fulfilled." And in verse 11, He prayed, "Father, KEEP through Your name, those whom You have given Me..." Are you claiming that God cannot KEEP all that He gave Jesus before the foundation of the world? Jesus Himself said, "And I give them eternal life, and they shall NEVER perish (they will not depart from Him in this life nor in eternity to come. If He can't keep us now, what assurance have we that He can keep us from apostatizing like Satan in heaven throughout eternity? If can keep us from apostatizing in eternity, He can also keep us from apostatizing in this short life); neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father's hand...(John 10:28, 29) Jesus also said, "ALL (each and every individual, not just whoever can make to the end) that the Father gives Me SHALL COME to Me (meaning, they cannot refuse to come); and him that comes to Me I WILL IN NO WISE CAST OUT (they cannot apostatize)." And He also said in John 6:44, "NO MAN CAN COME TO ME, EXCEPT THE FATHER DRAW HIM (only those whom God gave Jesus in the Lamb's book of life will come to Jesus); and I WILL (emphatically, without question) raise him up at the last day." And in John 6:39, Jesus said that of "ALL" that the Father had given Him, He would lose NOTHING (not a single one), but would raise them all up at the last day. Just as surely that the scripture was fulfilled about Judas, the above scriptures shall be fulfilled about His elect, that He will not lose even one. That, sir, is the full assurance of salvation. Why do you buck it? John put it this way, "Whosoever is born of God does not continue to practice sin; because God's seed *REMAINS* in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God" (1 John 3:9). And there are many other such scriptures. If you can't believe it, that's your problem. I hope you wake up to the very true reality of the "eternal" salvation (not just until we decide to apostatize) that He has given us. Once you do, you will appreciate Jesus more and the "so great" salvation that He has given you. Adios.

@@roblane5699 i wonder if they were the ones laughing

Christ, St Paul, and St John teach that we can lose our salvation by not persevering to the end. We must believe and love to the end. If we sin seriously (eg: murder) and do not repent we will lose our salvation. 2. Paul also taught that our faith must be accompanied by good works. We must believe, and we must love, in our response to the free gift of Grace. He condemns the Works of the Old Jewish Law in Romans, but both he and Christ say good works of the New Law are essential and that we will be judged by them. All this is not the Protestant heresy of Once Saved Always Saved, and it is not the Protestant heresy of Faith Alone: 1. We will lose our salvation if we do not persevere: “He who PERSEVERES unto the end will be saved.” (Matthew 10:22) St John writes, Let what you heard from the beginning ABIDE in you. If what you heard from the beginning ABIDE in you, then you will ABIDE in the Son and in the Father. And this is what he has promised us, eternal life (emphasis added).(1 John 2:24) 1. Cor. 10:12- “Therefore, let anyone who thinks that he stands take heed LEST HE FALL” In 1 Corinthians 1:18, St. Paul writes, “For the word of the cross is folly to those who are perishing, but to us who are BEING saved-” notice that’s a present participle there, “being saved,” which indicates it’s a present state of salvation, an ongoing process. 1 Corinthians 4:3-4, where St. Paul himself says, “But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged by you or by any human court; I do not even judge myself.” St. Paul is saying, “I’m not aware of any sort of sins that would take me away from God and destroy God’s life in my soul,” but he says, “I don’t even judge myself.” 1 Corinthians 9:26-27, St. Paul says "Well, I do not run aimlessly, I do not box as one beating the air; but I pommel my body and subdue it, lest after preaching to others I myself should be DISQUALIFIED.“ 2. Good works of the New Law “‘Not everyone who says to me, “Lord, Lord,” shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven’” (Matt. 7:21). “For he will render every man according to his works . . .” (Rom. 2:6-8). “For it is not the hearers of the law who are righteous before God, but the doers of the law who will be justified” (Rom. 2:13).

T this point you don't have a choice then. You essentially become a robot. I'm guessing Demas was never saved? Paul seems to think he ..."departed the faith"

Christians don't hate sin after they get saved, which is why ~God had to instruct saved believers on how to serve in a godly manner. Positionally all our sins are eternally paid for. What the bible means by this is that we cannot sin against God positionally because we are in Christ who has no sin. He has impute4d his perfect righteousness to our account forever. Rom 4:22-24, Heb 9:12, Heb 10:10-14 KJV However, we can allow sin to reign in the flesh our allow sin to have the better of us in our Christian lives. God chastens his beloved when we allow sin to reign to much, he'll use somebody or something to chasten us so we might learn our lesson and grow in grace.

When u continue sinning u become a slave to the devil eventually u will fall

OK Q 4 U WILL OR CAN JESUS CHRIST EVER ,,, UN,,,, REDEEME AND ABORT HIS OWN AFTER HE REDEEMS THEM ? PEEEEEEEEEEEEEASE ANSWER BACK IF YOUR BRAVE ENOUGH that is i dought you will because you know the answer,

EVERY BODY SINS EVERY DAY BUT ARE THEY COVERD BY THE BLOOD OF THE REDEEMER BY THE BODY ?

@discipleadamos9527 remember who truth is ? It's Jesus Christ, all born again believers, have him It's one thing to receive knowledge of the truth Those who believe on Jesus Christ have Truth You're fear tactics don't draw people to Christ All it does is bring insecurity and fear. I'm not going to debate with you

Hello, I am Niko. I have been a born again christian for about 12 years now. Can I get to know you better a bit? I ask because I might be able to help some. Kindly, Niko

Praying for you maam, Jesus wants you to remember this! Philippians 4:19 And my God will meet all your needs according to the riches of his glory in Christ Jesus.

Absolutely! I was a mess because I believed what they believed but I wasn't a hypocrite. I followed the doctrine to its logical conclusion and lost hope in my works, as I kept failing God. There is no room for works in salvation.

​@arcguardian Amen Same happen to me, I truly believed the Gospel one night, but soon after got carried away by the doctrine of Lordship salvation, I tried as best as I could and still fell miserably, I was in constant stress fear and anxiety, one day I just prayed to God pretty much saying that I was hopeless, and Our Heavenly Fahter in His mercy brought me back to the simplicity of the gospel, He is still healing me and my trust towards Him, it's hard to get out of the snatch of that doctrine but I Know now that Jesus will never leave me nor forsake me. Our Heavenly Father will continue the work He estarted in us until He completes it 🙏

@@edgarnavarro1283 thanks for sharing. So many scriptures don't make sense, if our salvation depends on us. Philippians 1:5-7 New American Standard Bible 5 in view of your participation in the gospel from the first day until now. 6 For I am confident of this very thing, that He who began a good work among you will complete it by the day of Christ Jesus. 7 For it is only right for me to feel this way about you all, because I have you in my heart, since both in my imprisonment and in the defense and confirmation of the gospel, you all are partakers of grace with me.

@@arcguardian Amen Brother/Sister 🕊

To be exact, biblically speaking, no born again Christian sins by will or from his will. We still have sin 100%, no one is sinless, but the sin of a born again Christian comes from the flesh, not from the spirit or mind which is the will. You see this made very clear in Romans 7:13-25. "For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members." (Rom 7:22-23 KJV) The mind or spirit of a Christian is born again and does not want to sin, but the flesh brings the spirit into captivity, so that he will stumble and sin.

Amen!

How about adding this to your play list ,does Jesus Christ ,EVER UN, redeem his own then ABORT them After their PROBATION , PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEASE ANSWER BACK IF YOUR BRAVE ENOUGH THAT IS.

the translations are not illegittimate, folks like Dr Brown likes to just cherry pick one verse and twist the Biblical meaning. Like Ono did, start at prior and following verses and Dr Brown will know he is in the wrong.

And it is more than that. We are His possession, Ephesians 1. He owns us christians as a father owns his children.

but you can refuse it and walk away. 1tim 4 :1

@@bertgoat Are you a works salvation heretic?

@@bertgoat Works salvation is blasphemy

@@maximusvonce1381 I see you have learnt a new phrase, not in context though, that would be too much to ask. Have you ever taken the time to read 1 Tim 4 or do you not need to concern yourself with the scriptures because of your vast insight .

he might not take it but you might loose it. I might gift you a phone but due to your carelessness loose it.

he might not take it but you might loose it. I might gift you a phone but due to your carelessness loose it.

@@drummouthpiecedmp3181 I hear you

God will never take the gift away if your persevere to the end! Christ, St Paul, and St John teach that we can lose our salvation by not persevering to the end. We must believe and love to the end. If we sin seriously (eg: murder) and do not repent we will lose our salvation. 2. Paul also taught that our faith must be accompanied by good works. We must believe, and we must love, in our response to the free gift of Grace. He condemns the Works of the Old Jewish Law in Romans, but both he and Christ say good works of the New Law are essential and that we will be judged by them. All this is not the Protestant heresy of Once Saved Always Saved, and it is not the Protestant heresy of Faith Alone: 1. We will lose our salvation if we do not persevere: “He who PERSEVERES unto the end will be saved.” (Matthew 10:22) St John writes, Let what you heard from the beginning ABIDE in you. If what you heard from the beginning ABIDE in you, then you will ABIDE in the Son and in the Father. And this is what he has promised us, eternal life (emphasis added).(1 John 2:24) 1. Cor. 10:12- “Therefore, let anyone who thinks that he stands take heed LEST HE FALL” In 1 Corinthians 1:18, St. Paul writes, “For the word of the cross is folly to those who are perishing, but to us who are BEING saved-” notice that’s a present participle there, “being saved,” which indicates it’s a present state of salvation, an ongoing process. 1 Corinthians 4:3-4, where St. Paul himself says, “But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged by you or by any human court; I do not even judge myself.” St. Paul is saying, “I’m not aware of any sort of sins that would take me away from God and destroy God’s life in my soul,” but he says, “I don’t even judge myself.” 1 Corinthians 9:26-27, St. Paul says "Well, I do not run aimlessly, I do not box as one beating the air; but I pommel my body and subdue it, lest after preaching to others I myself should be DISQUALIFIED.“ 2. Good works of the New Law “‘Not everyone who says to me, “Lord, Lord,” shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven’” (Matt. 7:21). “For he will render every man according to his works . . .” (Rom. 2:6-8). “For it is not the hearers of the law who are righteous before God, but the doers of the law who will be justified” (Rom. 2:13).

NO REDEEMING THEN,,,,,,, UN.. REDEEMING THE SINNER LATTER OSAS IS VERY TRUE

Dont u sin ?

Exactly Both are unsaved

Amen!

Hello man! Long time no see! How are you doing? I hope well Unfortunately there is STILL this false dichotomy that we must be either arminian or calvinist in our theology. Either for loss of salvation or then Jesus only died for the elect few. How about Bible? Jesus died for all but only those are righteous who put their hearts' faith in Him and they can never be lost, so eternal security

AMEN AND AMEN Gregg, These two guys are wicked reprobate devils who do not understand salvation as well as having NO assurance of salvation.

I can't speak for Dr Brown but I know for a fact Corey is saved . We need to stop being ignorant.

AMEN!!!!🙏

That's what most of the people wants to hear, have you ever ask yourselves why everyone is not saved?? The understanding that God's grace is free gift may be complex than you have ever tried to imagine😊

I believe some people will "wordsmith" their way into Hell. They might "win an argument" with new believers, but what damage they do, is tremendous.

The will of the Father is to believe on the Son

@@mkplusultra4171 AAAAAAA MMMMMMM EEEEEEE NNNNNN

At face value it looks exactly like what it says.

@@patcola7335 yeah it really does, context is always important

@@patcola7335 As long as you apply the correct context.

AND what is the TRUE gospel 2u ?

Don't you know that eternal is really temporal and Jesus didn't give us eternal life?

@@scifiuniverses3736yea whosoever actually just means the elect, and faith actually means works. I don’t get what is so complicated here. Look at the arimaic

​@@WrightlyDividedlol

@@WrightlyDivided LOL...

THANK YOU LORD JESUS for my precius redemption

What Christ did on the cross was good enough. The question is what we are required to do to get that promise of eternal life are we doing it

I hate this false premise of ‘You don’t think Christs sacrifice was enough’. We do. Just because we believe you can willingly reject Christ and his gift after being saved and go to Hell doesn’t negate His saving power at all. We believe God doesn’t force people into heaven against their will just because they believed and accepted Christ for a few years. We will always have a choice to reject God and suffer the consequences of doing so.

likely alot of them are not even saved....I believe you are correct.....they are still trusting in themselves; rather than Christ alone....

Are you a cessationist? And what do you mean by extreme charismatic??

​@@raphaelfeneje486Well I am a cessationist, yes. Extreme charismatic is, as I was one also, who thinks all should speak in tongues, miracles are for every day as a norm, every believer can heal the sick, when experience of visions and dreams are added to Scripture, saying Sola Scriptura is not enoigh etc. I am nit against experience, we all experience things with God, God does miracles as He wills and we can in faith ask Him to heal us and many times He will, He most importantly wants our broken hearts to be healed, to have a close relatuonsip wtih Him

@@NikoFinn I still don't understand you. You're not a cessationist then. That's against your worldview. You really don't know what you believe in. Cessationist don't believe the Holy Spirit can speak to you, don't believe in having visions or revelation from God, don't believe in tongues, don't believe in the supernatural. They've turned God to a puppet and a remote that they can control and tell him when to stop ministering to his children. You have to change your worldview to suit into that. You probably should listen more to prideful people like John MacArthur and his colleagues. They mock Christians that have supernatural experiences with God. I'm a Pentecostal(not a oneness Pentecostal that's Herectic), and I am enjoying my walk with the Holy Spirit. I have experienced God in a dimension that has convinced me. I have tasted and seen. I pray and fast and I speak in tongues. That's why the west has become lukewarm and cold. They don't know God beyond what they hear. That's not Christianity, that's not a relationship

I think Corey believes the repent to be saved false gospel

Hey Corey is Lordship Salvation as well… he believes if you wilfully sin you were never actually saved.

Your analogy assumes that the "eternal health" and possession of the "eternal health" are the same or inseparable. However, the benefit of eternal health is derived from possession. Thus, it doesn't logically follow that the possession cannot be lost. Eternal health and posession of it are distinct. The eternal health applies only to those in possession of it. If possession is lost, the derived eternal health itself is unaffected, but since it's no longer in possession, then the eternal benefit is no longer applied. So, if one has eternal health right now, the eternality of it is still rooted in possession. *If one has an "eternal stone" right now, it doesn't mean that, logically, they will always be in possession of that "eternal stone" simply because the stone is eternal.*

@@ThomasJones77 If someone has an eternal stone, it really can be a case that tomorrow he doesn’t have it anymore. Because stone is eternal, you and stone are 2 separate things, you just have it right beside you, its quality doesn’t transfer to you at all! But….If we already have eternal life, that’s not something that we have in our backpack or right beside us. We already have it inside of us. Our eternal life is part of us now. Its quality already transferred to us! We have already passed from death to life! 1 John 3:14. This’s why your analogy is not valid here! We have only 2 logical options, but you are advocating for a third, which is not logical and it's self-defeating: 1. If we already have life that never ends, if tomorrow can end it, it was never EVERLASTING life(life that never ends)- in that case Jesus lied! (John 5:24) 2. If we ALREADY HAVE EVERLASTING life(or life that never ends), it cannot be a case that life can possibly end. 3. We already have everlasting life, or life which never ends, until the moment it ends?! You have a self-defeating position here, which leads to logical contradiction. To sum up… Although it’s true that we could lose some eternal things such as diamonds or stones(although they are not eternal- which is the whole another story by itself), it doesn’t logically follow that everything that’s eternal can be lost. What is true for some,it’s not true for all.

@@vinkosusac1130 @vinkosusac1130 Thanks for the great reply! However, you still assume, in this case with "eternal life," that eternal life itself and possessing eternal life are the same thing logically. It doesn't logically follow that having eternal life now means you must remain in possession of that life otherwise you never had possession of it. Why? Because the eternality applied is still rooted in possession, and only as long as you have possession will you have eternal life. *Obviously, if God says one will have eternal life then he will obtain eternal life and never lose possession of it. Period. But that adds in a 3rd option to secure possession, whereas your analogy assumed eternal possession based on the derived benefit alone instead of the One who can secure the possession for us so that we can ultimately receive the goal/telos of our faith: the salvation of our souls (1 Peter 1:9)* Nevertheless, Scripturally, we get both assurance and warning as believers. Both sides of the debate draw hard lines to try and prevent some *perceived* logical contradiction that Scripture isn't concerned about. Thus, both sides usually assume their position too much into certain passages, unable to release certain presuppositions to simply let the inspired, God-Breathed Text speak. Saying the one sanctified who has trampled...that faces fiery judgement and being consumed is just "divine chastisement" is one example on that side.

@@tr5392 Your logic is very poor. Your first 2 sentences don’t bring anything new to this argumentation. Your last 2 sentences are just your presupositions… John 15 talks about bringing fruit, not about salvation. That’s why fruit is mentioned at least 10 times in the first 10 verses! Whosoever doesn’t bring fruit, gets burned. Not in everlasting fire, you are just presuposing here that’s about hell.

If you dont have to try no remove sin from your life then I would suggest you read the entire book of Ephesians(its short) Then tell me why it was ever written in the first place since OSAS

THE BLOOD OF JESUS CHRIST CLENSES THE SINNER THE 1ST SECONND THEY PUT THEIR TRUST IN JESUS CHRIST TO FOR GIVE ALL SINS PERIOD PAST PRENT AND FUTURE SINS THATS THE GOOD NEWS JOHN Ch 3 Vs 16 DOES JESUS CHRIST EVER LIE YES OR NO ?

THAT MAKES NO SCENCE @ALL

@@theodoreritola7641 Why does it not make sense? If you are not going to answer why does it not make sense then you don’t make sense.

Exactly, and even more so once we have the knowledge of the truth. Beforehand it was like breathing for us, we literally didn't even think about sin. Now that we are saved it's like seared into our conscience, and we all still do it. Sin is our first birthright, eternal life is our second birthright through Christ. Saved Christians are the ones that sin willingly more than the unsaved.

​@@Viknlaoswhat you are saying is incorrect. We all have the law of God written on our hearts from birth. Even though we were unregenerated, we knew we were sinning, AND we experience guilt. This is evident in the world today among the unsaved. People are drunk, high or commit suicide to escape the guilt. Saved people don't sin more than unsaved people, because we have our hope and our mediator.

Yep we do! And we are kidding ourselves if we don’t think we do.

Sealed FOR/UNTO the day of redemption. Not UNTIL. You have misquoted a very important word there. As for Hebrews 13:5 that does not preclude US from forsaking HIM.

Jack Deere once said, "Over the years I have observed that the majority of what Christians believe is not derived from their own patient and careful study of the Scriptures. The majority of Christians believe what they believe because godly and respected teachers told them it was correct." If you grew up in an OSAS church (I did) that is what you are going to be indoctrinated in. And don't get me wrong, God wants us to have assurance of salvation. But I don't believe OSAS anymore, there are dozens of verses that contradict it. But anyone that is OSAS-committed is going to read that conclusion into all the verses. I think it is important to step back and listen to both sides carefully and decide for yourself.

and with that conclusion, what is your understanding of the topic?

You must be using wrong translation of the Bible. Stick to KJV Hebrews 10:36 For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise. The will of God is to believe. John 6:40 You see these hebrew believers had no patience and were becoming faithless. They feel the need to do something for the forgiveness of their sins. They were not confident anymore that they felt they needed to sacrifice bulls and goats. Just like people today they feel like they need to do works. You don't do anything for the salvation. Do works only because you are saved. And finally, the promise mentioned in Hebrews 10:36 is not eternal life but rewards. Hebrews 10:35 Cast not away therefore your confidence, which hath great recompence of reward. Remember salvation is free gift not a reward.

@@maximusralte777 No, this is talking about THE promise and we all know that is eternal life. “For you have need of endurance, so that after you have done the will of God, you may receive the promise” Why do we need endurance if believing in God fully once in our life is enough?

@@buddy_132 It's patience. Not endurance. It almost synonym whichever it is it has nothing to do with eduring with works and maintaining salvation. But rather to live by faith. The patience/endurance he spoke next of concerns living by faith, which is God’s will for us. John 6:40 And to encourage Jewish believers to resist going back under the law and to fully entrust their salvation to the Lord’s once for all time sacrifice. And I think you are right. The promise here is eternal life.

@@maximusralte777 Even if I grant you the “patience”, why do we need that to receive THE promise?

@@maximusralte777 Also want to add I fully believe in “faith by grace you have been saved and not of your works.” What I’m not convinced of is that you can’t ever fall away from God; even by denying the faith through your words and or actions. So many times we are told “those who endure until the end shall be saved.” So why must we have endurance/patience to obtain salvation when we have passed on from death into life by the hearing of faith? The only option I see is that it is possible for devout believers to fall away completely from God. There’s a reason why we are warned to not be deceived.

I used to listen to Brown quite a bit. He is 100% right on Bible authority and eschatology and biblical stance on Israel, but he us definitely wrong on loss of salvation, gifts if the Spirit and some other main matters of christian faith

He uses incorrect Bibles too

Corey would definitely agree. Michael on the other hand is the false one. He’s friends with known heretics.

The word believe is used too loosely among Christians, for you to believe, one has to obey the commandments.

@@hermansmikle6685 Wrong. Salvation is not contingent on obeying the law. You must believe in works salvation. So i take it you are sinless?

I'm a poor sinful soul, The bible that I read tells me that in order for someone to get eternal life, there has to be a change of life style. Salvation, as one person explains, is the gift to everyone for a chance to come to Christ . Now, I'm just trying to find the truth. I can search the scriptures and find all over where one have to maintain Christlike behavior.

1 Corinthians 9:24 - 10:12 Matthew 13:1-23 Matthew 18:23 - 35 Just a few to think about

@@JD-yq3dd which one of this verses is talking about losing salvation? Don’t trow me a multiple verses. I know all of this verses and their meaning. Give me your best shot!

Well in the Old Testament Holy Spirit worked differently than today in some ways. The Spirit came on some people for service and could leave, like priests, Kings etc, but in the New Testament all believers have Holy Spirit "until the day of redemption"(Ephesians 4:30)

The. Most. Worst. Sinner. Goes. To. Heaven. If. They. Believe. In. Jesus

Amen and God bless you brother!!!! You got it and in context All glory to our Lord and Savior!!!

If we can willfully lose our salvation How do you interpret “when we are faithless he is faithful for he can not deny himself” 2 Timothy 2 :13 as well as “And I am convinced that nothing can ever separate us from God’s love. Neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither our fears for today nor our worries about tomorrow-not even the powers of hell can separate us from God’s love.” Romans 8:38

Hebrews 10 30 he also says he will judge HIS people implying they are still his children making them still believers .

@@anthonyvasquez835I interpret 2 Timothy 2:13 for "what it says" -- there's no need to add to it or subtract from it. And this scripture does not apply to salvation nor what this conversation is about. I would ask "how" are you interpreting it. But based on your reply and the fact that you're trying to apply it where it does "not" fit -- answers that question for me... Same the wholes true for Romans 8:38. Paul made this statement from a position of "commitment", making it clear that he (Paul) intends to whole fast to his confession and that he will be "steadfast, unmovable -- ALWAYS abounding in the work of the Lord"; (I Corinth. 15:58). Paul "did not" write Romans 8:38 to "backsliders" or Christians -- who of their OWN FREE WILL "choose" to NO LONGER serve or follow Christ. This scripture was written to show and demonstrate to "committed" Believers that IF they stay the course -- AND if they are "persuaded" -- LIKE PAUL WAS-- that NOTHING can separate them from the love of God. Notice the very first words in that scripture Romans 8:38 (you quoted); Paul said "And I AM CONVINCED"... Paul "was" CONVINCED that NOTHING would separate him from the love of God. So, if you are NOT "convinced" -- LIKE PAUL -- and THAT is not your confession -- again, LIKE PAUL -- there is "something" that will "separate" you from the love of God. In another passage, Paul also said: "Let EVERY MAN be FULLY "persuaded" in his OWN MIND"; Romans 14:5. So -- if you're NOT persuaded -- in your OWN MIND -- of your salvation -- guess what?? You're in "serious" trouble. Because no matter HOW you -- or ANYONE ELSE -- TRY to "twist" and/or take the scriptures out of context -- there is NO "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"! There are TOO MANY scriptures to CONTRADICT that statement and theory.

@@anthonyvasquez835 Again, you're taking this scripture "out of context". Just because God refers to them as "His people" does NOT mean that they are "once saved, always saved." And it does not imply that they are "still" Believers. You know, there's something to be said about people -- who called themselves Believers/Christians -- who feel the need to TRY and justify "once saved, always saved"; not to mention, who also need this theory to "fall back on". Believers, who NEED, this theory to be true, do so because they're NOT only NOT living right -- they're NOT trying to, putting forth NO EFFORT, and want the "right" and "privilege" to CONTINUE to live like the "sinners" they were -- WHILE they're on their way to heaven. There is no "pulling a fast one" or "getting over ON GOD! It's not happening. You "once saved, always saved" Christians remind me of the 10 Virgins -- 5 were Wise and 5 were FOOLISH. They -- LIKE YOU -- also THOUGHT they were "once saved, always saved, too"!! But they fooled around -- and FOUND OUT -- there is NO SUCH THING! I'll give you ONE GUESS, as to which Virgins were the "once saved, always saved" crew!! Why don't you ASK THEM what happened to THEM, when THEY found out -- TOO LATE -- that there WAS and IS no "once saved, always saved" (Matt. 25:1-13)!! Read it and WEEP; Jesus -- HIMSELF -- made SURE that there is NO ONCE SAVED, ALWAYS SAVED...

And what happens to the believer that develops an evil unbelieving heart that turns away from the living God?

​@@KJVisOutdated-ek9cw A true Christian would never become evil and a nonbeliever. Those are false converts. Someone who would leave the faith never belonged to Jesus to begin with.

@@RichardM1366 Unfortunately, scripture never says or teaches that a true believer will never leave the faith. On the contrary, it does teach that many will and do leave the faith. Do you not believe the scriptures?