LeBron James doesn't have the 'clutch gene' like Jordan or Kobe - Scottie Pippen | First Take 

lol. he should have gone incognito

Nakakatawa ka na nyan?

LeBron ain't even on kobes level so he definitely not on mj level

@@robertcabrera5505 ikaw lang brad, lumayas ka dito kung di nakakatawa wag ka kokoment

Lol

Kristian Mendoza because they don’t understand that other effect he had on the game with his mindset his trash talk how he intimidates the opposing team he makes them fear him that’s something Lebron doesn’t have Lebron has better athleticism Kobe has better skill Lebron has better stats but Kobe got a real fine tuned Killer instinct Edit* I would like to say I am not saying Kobe is better because we can’t prove anything with the intangible and of course I am just a bit bias to Kobe Lebron does have a statistical proof of even rivalling Michael but still fats very short in achievement and he falls short in the category Kobe was one of the greatest minds and attitudes of the NBA while Lebron was just a power house able to do anything unstoppable record breaker and just shows up every year consistent with proof to back him up but they both lack something the other has and MJ had it all just proves he is in a league of his own in my opinion but he just doesn’t have a good social life and personality everything has a sacrifice

Kristian Mendoza media doesn’t know what players go through or do to be great kobe is the second greatest of all time and the media putting wilt old ass over Kobe just because wilt was bullying white boys 😂

Unicorns Fly faxx

Kobe fans cant think for themselves so they use lazy arguments.

Kobe was so great, he’s the only player in NBA history with 5 titles, over 33K points, over 7K rebounds, and over 6K assist. His effective FG percentage for 2 Pointers was 52 percent. Kobe overall percentage went down because he shot so many 3 pointers. Facts!

There is only one GOAT and we all know that it is M J!

@@richardtrevino5516 finally someone who is not a millennial who just watched lebron and now thinks that they know everything. I'm sitting here like you've never seen mike take over

@@locka23boys Kareem is the goat

@@chikwadoakpunonu9542 b o i

Lebron was a kid who left his Highschool championship and had to report to WORK. So of course their mentalities were different. Jordan was a grown ass man when he came into the league he had 4 years of college (development)

Terrell Warfield the light hitting to hard

Because he's a walking contradiction on this matter!!!!

Because he talking out both sides of his mouth.

Cause He spent the night with Dwight Howard

Cause pippen ain't easy!!!

cocaine

🤣🤣🤣🤣

Alcohol

LMFFFFFFFAOOOOOOO! HAHAHA

Lookin like a stripper n church

at when ?

And also javale mcgee

4:45 on the left lol

@@thekingbradable Lol, and it looks like there's a private detective from the 1950s behind him.

And jokic 02:06

Steven A is 0-8b is in the finals

Mr. Green what conversation?

Because they have the one of the most Genius Coach of all Time.

MJ and Scottie have way worse records in the first, second and third rounds compared to LeBron. If I’m gonna lose, I’d rather lose in the finals than the first round.

@Dominic dominic six of those came from bill russel and I’ll give u that he led 2 of those rings in the 70s and he did it in the pre modern era so those rings are kinda inflated

Them questions have him nervous.

He knew MJ was gonna give him these hands if he didn't say the right thing

Coz he’s talking about the GOAT

Its called. Being a flip flopper

78SPORTSTV 😂😂😂😂

A hot fan. Preferably Tinashe

😂😂😂😂😂

casualgamerreed: I'm sure Pippin still has a few fans out there. But he does sound like he's talking through one of those electrical devices that blows air. What do they call those........

@@timothymccaskey4362 Ill take pippens word over lechoke james in 6 finals overrated stats fans

He'd make a great darth vader

Kwayfo 💯

jriden Kobe is way better. He wanted to kill his enemies. LeBron doesn’t have that instinct. But he is a great player.

Hey Jriden, this is about you -“public indignation gives significance to any fool”

kingongdude10 what basketball are you guys watching 😂 are you kidding??

kingongdude10 have u seen prime Kobe or are just a guy that looks to stats? Kobe was a killer LeBron is a teamate He doesn’t claim for the ball in clutch moments

Kawhi reminds me of Scottie/Duncan

Pippen and Luke Walton, Barry Whites of the NBA

“This is Scottie Pippen coming to you liiiive from 33.3 FM and we got some more of them smooooth hits otw”

I bets it momma likes his voice shoot

Not like dikembe mutombo that sounds like Cookie monster 🤣😂🤣

@@treezy7567 W

Same guy that's said LeBron's better than MJ & Kobe at one point -- take it with a grain of salt.

He plays for attention. Walks off the court when plays are not to his satisfaction every ending 4th quarter " CHILDISH. Ball hawker for self gain. MJ didn't do this. MJ played like a champ til the game ended. Losing or Winning the game None that cry baby crap Running from team to team cause nobody helping him look FAMOUS.

Not even what Kobe was..'ouch'

He said nothing but facts

This is the same guy that said Lebron is better than Mj

@Leland Joseph uhhh....you're point?

@@zeddmysterYTikr the disrespect to shaq

He even said Kawhi is better than Lebron-what a load of rubbish

Lol he did not say Kawhi is better than LeBron. Open your ears. He said kawhi has the a little bit of the clutch gene and LeBron doesn’t have it. Idiot

@@danielb7495 yea facts

@@goldenboyi1989 he was talking about playing tough on both ends of the floor offensively as defensively

@@danielb7495 he said kawhi is better-he even said clippers will win the NBA-this guy is a joke

Because he knows hes full of shit

It's that cocaine

😂😂

@@DaWizeDeciple smh cocaine doesn't make you sweat.... MDMA does... read a book... square..

@@magyare10 nigga who cares

Pippen is on some crazy types of drugs.

Confused ass

I read those quotes to but i never saw him say it ...to see is to believe

Lebron has the clutch gene but he also has a spoiled child gene also too, and sometimes that spoiled child gene comes to the forefront.

- 23 bullshit. Bullshit. Bullshit. Stop making up shit. Stop making up shit for the kids like the media does daily.

Imagine Scottie doing a voice over for animal planet or something 😁

@@justanotherlaid-backdude5297 The lion stalks its prey in the low sun of the late afternoon...

@@stopthrm waiting patiently for its time to strike 😁

Jean doglas see 22 year old james knocking out the pistons team that beat shaq kobe laker

kungfukenny that’s still not enough compared to the clutch gene Jordan and Kobe had

Tyler White u can have that “gene” all u want but non of them won without Phil

Why is having that mentality important in the GOAT debate? I just don’t see why it would matter if LeBron can still dominate every game and win.

@@FelipeAS311 Lebron plays totally different to Kobe and Mj they should be compared.

Exactly!!!!

Actually Jordan doesn't speak his opinion anymore because it's laughable, not because he knows what he's done speaks for itself. He just knows that in the end, it's just laughable debates that go nowhere in the end.

So did Kobe💯

@jriden well not really

TexanTube yeah but he decided to want to make the documentary as soon as LeBron came back 3-1 because he knew he was shook nice try bud

tavarys crabtree Greatness cannot be overlooked whether you have it or not.

tavarys crabtree they try to but he can deny it

they don't mention him enough

@@vshyne1853 rt

@@97EDUB 👍🏽

HAHAHAHAHHA🤣 THERE gene . Behind Lebron James🤣

@IkImTheBest numbers lie all the time. You ever study statistics?

Scottie game 7???

@@1D4ever Lol. Pippen went to game 7s, just never in the Finals. 1990 ECF, 1992 ECSF, 1994 ECSF, 1998 ECF, 2000 WCF just off the top of my head.

😂😂😂😂

Yeah its because he never saw a game 7 in the finals with MJ thats why hes sweating

Yes

Facts

I was going to say the same thing. I think a few years ago he said lebron was better or something. Not sure what he'll say now.. And why they hell is he sweating lol

I know

@@gdc615 Sweaty Pimpin that's his alias.

FACTS

Shaq the mvp

DEMARCUS JONES if we’re talking about chips than bill is the goat. LeBron is the greatest basketball player of all time, but jordan has the best legacy.

kobe bryant 3 time referee champion, 2 time Shaq's sidekick champion

Steven Scummy stop sniffing that powder

Ask yourself which one would you rather be the closest thing to Jordan or he could be better than Jordan.

NBA GIRL pg so slept on

Elo Soulja word... you speaking FACTS!!! I’m glad he didn’t go play w lebron... he’s a big star on his own

@@nbagirl3055 OKC> lakers

We're do you rank PG13 in the league? Just interested..

Eightys Baby87 he’s actually my favorite player for years been following him since Fresno state. He’s a dope 2 way player

No , false 🤣 what makes it worse is Scottie pippen has contradicted himself multiple times , he even said Lebron was better there are videos look it up so don’t get all hyped cause he said this . Bron Bron still the goat

@@boblansonfig3972 No, false🤣 you are totally wrong. KB was way better than LJ will ever be, despite the "hero marketing" and the NBA superstar propaganda.

This is just wrong. A majority of experts will say Lebron has had the better career than Kobe.

@@apocalypto2011 better in what way???

@@mike2207 a "majority" of millenials, those who believe every BS they are being told.

He ain't short, ya know....

6”9 giant

6 rings makes him a giant

Sexy

Sandra Contreras I think of the voice from Allstate when I hear him haha

That's on the jump, not 1st take

"If you know, you know"

but his credential still say refused to enter game when Kukoc knocked down that 3 to defeat the knicks.

Everybody dunked on Ewing. Pat had heart but dude got dunked on by literal ever b-ball star in his era.

@@blackturkdog Well, he's 11th all-time in bpg. So I guess he thought the risk was worth it.

Yes, because he's Lebron james.

@@edsonople2652 your original uh

Because he's LeBron.

Lebron will never have a perfect hairline without hair plugs again😂

Kobe wasn't even close to jordan. Tired of all of these LA nuthuggers that never saw Jordan play live and want to compare bricklayer kobe to him.

Mad Trucka Max yea

Man how he stepped over him...Ewing was pissed lmao

Naw what john starks did to pipen n jordan better dunk

Wade on Varejao was nasty.

That Shaq dunk on Dudley. Dunked on him, pushed him down and threw the ball at him all in one motion

Still not better than Lebron

@@Amb252 LeBron is overrated, no NBA legend player has LeBron over Kobe only 2 or 3 possible. Go listen to fat ugly people nerds like Kellerman who never touched a basketball ever.

@@ohhhyeahhh1174 hes reppin 3-6 mafia let him be

ohhh yeahhh Jordan said it himself Lebron is better than Kobe so did Tracy mcgrady and isiah Thomas

@@Amb252 bull shit

Scotty's right, that's one thing I've always said about LeBron, he is what he is and he never seemed to have that second gear.

The only reason LeBron is in this discussion is because Ray and Kyrie hit those bailout 3's.

@@michaelkirschner6009 Yes, LeBron can hit big shots but not THE BIGGEST SHOTS. Kyrie and Ray took care of that. There was very little pressure on that 92-88 shot after Duncan choked that 2-foot bunny over Shane Battier. The game was over. I knew that, Tim Duncan knew that, and even you would admit that. You forgot LeBron's three inexplicable turnovers down the stretch in Game 6 that made NBA officials start etching Tony Parker's name on the Finals MVP award.

thsu8 so whenever he hit the buzzer beater against Orlando wasn’t clutch? Or that performance against Boston wasn’t killer instinct or r what about the time he had back to back 41 points games in the finals facing elimination or the 51 point game he had in the finals? Y’all go off ther 11 finals and use this narrative that lebron isn’t clutch or he doesn’t have killer instinct that’s just bs because I seen lebron bring a team to finals with a bunch of nobodies something Jordan or Kobe couldn’t do

Amen

Unlike Lebron, Kobe won a ring without needing 2stars alongside him. he did this 2x actually

Kobe needed only 1 other HOF each time he won a ring. Lebron needed 3-4 every time.

@@vulcanraven9701 having shaq is equal to have 5 stars in your team

Del Conagher You realize kobe was shaqs help and not the other way around right ? Shaq didn’t need 3 to four Hof’s. He’s the reason for the three chips in a row not kobe

And Jordan and Kobe have something in common... 0 rings without Phil Jackson lol. Bron won two with Eric Spo and one with ty lue, let that sink in.

True, a few years ago he said LeBron was probably a better scorer than Jordan. But I think he and most people are starting to see who LeBron really is. Rarely aggressive, ball dominate and a revolving door on D. And that's who he's always been. But he was on better teams and younger.

No.. he didn't.. he said that lebron is so good.. but he said lebron isn't a clutch player..

Sage he’s getting old watchu expect😂😭😭

@@Rich_iam nah , he wasn't like that , he finished second benind marc gasol to win defensive player of the year when he was in miami, now he is just older and he is asked to do more on offense than when he was in miami.

right....and his opinion on who is the goat...sometimes lebron, sometimes, mj, sometimes wilt

It wasnt always like that.

@@missionpupa it is quite alot of years now 5,6 , in documentaries as well

@@innosanto thats what im trying to say, it wasnt always like that, not when he was still playing.

Tf did you think it sounded like

I Said What I Said Yep!

Lol!!!

That's why he's sweatin' bullets

He didn't come for bron, he told the truth. We all know it's the truth too

I Said What I Said finally somebody is tell it like it is LeBron James is nowhere near better than Jordan or Kobe

LOL... He's got the voice for it.

This comment literally made me LOL!! 😂😂😂😂😂😂

I’m fuckn dead 😂😂😂😂💀

@rtcharge Like Snoop did on Plizzanet Earth ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-pDk5gaKQsnw.html

rtcharge too funny

LeBron

@@sawoti.eduardo8531 overrated

@@sawoti.eduardo8531 and u are a b-ball player ? *Hall-of-Famers who said MJ was the best want to know your location*

@@punchdreadnought8101 you dont know baskball my guy you watch anime

@@LarryDaGoat23 what are u talking about ? Most Hall-of-Famers who played with and against Jordan said he is GOAT. And here are some comparisons for u: Every LeBron's franchise >> 16' US Team = 04' Spain.

Facts doe!!

Lol Lebron got swept twice in the finals 😂😂

@G-man lebron never won a chip without another superstar. Kobe did.

Assuntay Cleaver lol I know right. Funny how people forget about Kobe all the time. So disrespectful Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant before Lebron James

Assuntay Cleaver there are statistics to back LeBron’s claim OVER Kobe though.

Dont ever compare Harden to Lebron

Did u see the chase down block in the finals or am I the only one

@@urgirl3829 That was a great play without a doubt but as a perimeter defender. He is by far from great. Harden and Lebron are not lockdown defender like Pippen and Jordan.

Wildy Pantoja You don't play great defense.

Greatest winner?.. goes 1-9 in the 1st round without pippen

Danyal Kazmi It’s scripted, they’re suppose to have differing opinions. So yes, I would classify it as “dickriding” still.

What epic games ?

@@abduugas what epic games were on ?

@@chillibeanyfn8560 it wasn't none,he jus slid that in to make his dumb comment

The Universe Galaxy LeBron’s one of my favourite players, but okay.

Lol right

Play That Again Bruh he never stated that Kobe was better though, he simply said that LeBron was never the player Kobe was offensively. Kobe wishes he could produce on the court the way LeBron has lmao

@@XKiDCraZyX so you saying Lebron was better than Kobe defensively? 😭😭😂

@@XKiDCraZyX he produced 2 more rings and less finals losses... I'm sure he doesnt wish he was anybody

Birds in the Rodeo Sing Astroworld kobe took an average team to the finals to beat the teams lebron lost to in the east playoffs and won 2/3 with an average all star gasol he only made once to an all star game before joining the lakers Kobe made him better and gasol made to 3 all star in a row when he join the lakers.. haters logic Kobe is a ball hog and don’t make player better. In that case he should’ve been finals mvp in all finals then

Beat him? He can't even stop him!

Lebron can guard 5 position except Jason Terry

@IkImTheBest And how many bad games against Kawhi Leonard? Quitting against the Warriors? Any one of those blemishes alone should disqualify him from the goat discussion, and he has so many many more.

3-1?

@@Milan1502 nice excuse lmao kawhi is trash If ur talking about 2014 finals then look at bron stats If u talking about gsw WHICH TEAM WAS BETTER? 2 SUPERSTAR OR 1 SUPERSTAR TEAM OR 2ND BEST ALL TIME NBA TRIO?

pippen aint no all time great nither is kobe ..

Rly wish lebron had that clutch n aggressive mentality

@@elvisrolon1862 nobody is an all time great since nobody played in all eras.

LOHX Jeff he has hit the most clutch shots lmao

LeBron is a mix between Karl Malone and Scottie Pippen.

not only the final shot they were clutch the WHOLE second half!!

especially the 4th quarters!!!

He has more clutch shots than None and Jordan combined. That makes no sense.

@TheRealist 811 but it's all getting so petty. It's like they are trying to split hairs. Okay, LeBron is not Kobe and not Jordan however he has put in 16 years of work and has three championships over 30,000 points 8000 rebounds in 8000 assists. I can imagine he'll be the all-time leading scorer in history if he plays out his contract and doesn't retire early. What More can this man do to be appreciated?

Mj and Kobe are clutch players but lebron has always been team player his whole career

Geovanni Casarrubias 12 time nba defensive team lebron has only 6 so who does’nt played defense?

@@geo8793 wait what?

@@geo8793 I'm guessing you've never seen Kobe play even in highlight videos 🤦

Geovanni Casarrubias yeah you’re buggin lol kobe definitely played more defense than Lebron in his career .. & that’s a fact

@@tylerwhite7428 Kobe in his prime out out there blocking 7 footers with ease.

Rockets are like 25 and 5 on the strike but okay.

I agree PG deserves the mvp this year

Harden is #1 in Pass Deflections Harden is also #2 in Steals Yal lames live in the past smh. People grow and get better.

I mean he didn't have a healthy team, even right now they're missing the 3rd best player and post presence in Capela, don't underrate him the team plays much better defense with him. And did Giannis retire? Giannis is the MVP by far compared to PG he does everything on his team except for scoring 3s.

Giannis hasn't slowed down one bit been consistent all season and they have the best record in the league

DynamicUnreal probably a better human being though

DynamicUnreal most overrated player

Francisco Cisneros depending on how much you know about his tipping habits but of course those are only because he pays child support for like 8 fatherless kids.

Rob H Probably why he was an asshole for awhile bcuz of the personal drama.I also heard Christian Laenttner fucked him out millions too when he first got in the league over a false investment.So Pippen has been through bullshit and players back then wasn't making have the money they make now.If Pippen money was straight i don't believe he would be sitting on TV like this

Nah

Be Distinct Dat aint white

Tben916 Bland NO once again another nba player disregards stats and actual ability for who they like more and a stupid ignorant argument like “killer instinct”

Nigga just the other day he said lebron was the goat. How much authority does his word have knowing he changes his mind so much in terms of speaking on the goat of the nba?

@@qiparoonie actually, scottie never said kobe is better cause he has "killer instinct". He's saying kobe is better at being "clutch".

He also said Lbj was better than Jordan.

Anthony Curtis but he agreed with SAS on that point

😂😂 these guys are crazy....

Jafar Martin so did Larry Bird...actually had 8 points in BACK to BACK finals. They said PG has a clutch gene when the dude has a grand total of 2 game winners his whole career while LeBron had 3 game winners, the entire last postseason.

no one said Larry Bird isn’t clutch. I mentioned that because people often bring that game which was the absolute worst game of LeBrons career to try and downplay him. Larry did the same thing in BACK TO BACK games, but it’s irrelevant. Why? Because in the grand scheme of his legendary career, it’s just 1 game. Same with LeBron. You can’t dismiss all his monster performances and plethora of accomplishments because he had 8 points in a finals game one time. Especially when they said PAUL FREAKING GEORGE is clutch and LeBron is not when he has only 2 game winners which both have come within the last month, after 9 years in the league. Mentioning Luka doing what he’s doing is also irrelevant when LeBron at the age of 21 was carrying an entire franchise and city on his back, scoring 25 straight (29 of the last 30) in a conference finals game.

@@darkinferno1219 Dude ur not gonna get thru to these LeBron haters because your logic is flawless. All of Lebrons failures are put front & center, while players like Kobe n Jordan get to have their failures.

not allen crabbe?

john thonig quit bitching and stop watching his show then

Lmfao.

@@soundofthewavescollide annoying af, literally i do turn the volume down true story

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W McArthur If James had that “put the fear of god” mentality, then he would probably be unstoppable.

W McArthur you don't think Lebron put fear in other players in the NBA please. I bet if you ask some of the players they won't say the same.

nostalgia is a hellava drug. mofos still playing mario kart n golden eye on n64 thinking no other games compare

Kids taking college classes thinking they know more than their teacher and have to learn about the NBA rule changes which makes it possible.to be a soft player and.still score less the Jordan

Lequeen doesn't have to put the fear of god into the opposition about guarding him, the refs are there with their whistle doing it to them.

LeBron hella better than Kobe and Scottie..... Pippen sucked with the Rockets and that’s what pissess me off about him.

@@natemickens88 he not better at winning than kobe tho lol

@jriden 3-6 is better than 5-2? aight bro.

jriden LeBron is a great player. Top five or top 3. I have to think better. But Kobe was insane. I love basketball because of him. I’m from Kobe era and he had that gene Scott mentioned. LeBron in most of the time doesn’t. It’s not a bad thing being after Kobe. Not at all

@@natemickens88 joke kkk

@Nice2787 here's some Preparation-H

Nice2787 he couldn’t respond to your question. You got him in his feelings 😂😂😂

Zirconium Arthiritis nigga switch his opinion of Bron every week. Next video, he’ll talk about Bron as the GOAT. Truth Bombs my ass 😂😂😂

@@Curtchrisdagod Here's some Preparation-H

True but they need to talk more about Kareem Abdul Jabbar with that clutch sky hook. The most unstoppable shot in basketball. Stats don't lie. Greatest ever.

JayPee Onale LeBron is better than Kobe

Hymat Vgytab LeBron is better than Kobe

Hymat Vgytab That isn’t really an opinion it’s basketball fact for basically everyone who has no bias towards or against either player

People with really good basketball IQ would know Kobe is better than Lebron.

Hymat Vgytab He’s literally better than Kobe at basically anything that takes place on the basketball court, he’s better almost everywhere you look, his accomplishments are better he’s greater in the playoffs and head to head has dominated the guy despite having a worse team in the majority of their matchups

Well said

Frevel Cason I guess you'll be crying next June when the Lakers win the chip lmaooo... remember my comment sir.

@@maceomillions2192 he is crying rn 😭

Get off your knees

John Havlicek is Better than Kobe...he got 8 rings....says enough end of convo.

Umm Kobe is barely a top 10 player lmao, Lebron is a far better player than Kobe The thing about Kobe is that he is a worse version of Michael Jordan The only thing Kobe has over Lebron is the killer mentality, but he is not better than Lebron

Robert Horry is better, 7 rings, multiple teams. N dude only role player but score big. If going by rings, Bill Russell is the GOAT, won as both player n coach. Juz go with wat Pippen is saying, different positions, different requirements, different era. Prime vs prime anything is worthless conversation. Unless u actually c they go at it.

@@datboiJan Lebron chokes and has more final losses than Kobe

Period!

Bwuahahha

Matt O super fact. That ends the debate

Maybe they should bring back hand checking so we'll see 👀

But he also put in less time on the court at that age than lebron

And Jordan played in a tougher era.

f*cking fact

I remember 2011 and JJ Barea just blows by Lebron like a scrub.

And the sky is blue.

Scottie is a hall of famer, not all-time great.

I'll take 94+ Pippen any day over LBJ. I know I'll get some 1st team defense behind his 20+ pts and running my offense.

apark02 Pippen offensively underrated AF. Stop it. Bron barely better. Barely.

Let that sink in.. Lol

LeBron made the finals with Mo and Boobie!?

@@dwayneturner9395 True. But that was the East.. Now in 2019.. Welcome to the REAL CONFERENCE buddy!

@@dwayneturner9395 Mo became an all star you bum. He gave lebron 20ppg and big z was a 2x all star with lebron. Man shut up you bronzexuals are pathetic.

LeBron went to 8 straight finals 👌

Ted Davis BUT to say he isnt clutch at all is ignorant and downright stupid. You think Jordan and Kobe are clutcher? Fine. Dont be ignorant to the truth. RESPOND Ted

@Ali Chaudry one thing I've noticed is how passive lebron gets when things aren't going well.

Lbj cannot be mj and he should never have been compared to him. Lbj is more than mj.

Ted Davis u sound like a gay scientist😂😂

@Ali Chaudry not counting the Wizard years it took Jordan the last 6 years to actually win something y'all act like Jordan was Winn chips from year 1 or even the first half of his career. He struggled to even make it out the first round