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I would love to see Hop‘s shulk actually becomes good and surprises the underdogs with it, especially a backslash kill 😂

Eventually Hop is going to learn that smash bros and the characters in it are actually fun

The hopcat character arc is so real

What if playing shulk actually does require a genius intellect, and you only found learning him easy because you're unknowingly a super-level genius

really fun series! you got some GOOD IDEAS in that head of yours keep em up hotcat!

I genuinely like this mini-series of videos. It's so refreshing seeing you have an open mind to some characters that are usually dismissed as lame or boring. Also love how good the Underdogs sponsored segments are!

You should try out Luigi, he is so much more than just fishing for grab to do the zero to death. His combos are insane and also pretty easy to do. He is really fun when you play him at a higher level and don't only spam grab in neutral.

Glad to see Shulk getting some recognition and compliments here. He’s my main and Honeslty, he’s super fun. You can either do crazy art cancel shenanigans, or just mash aerials and win sometimes

Yay! As a Kirby main, it felt good to see you have fun with him. One thing I think you missed that is so silly - down tilt. It's super safe, and you get a 1/3 chance to trip with an almost guaranteed F-Smash follow-up that is reactable online. But that's forgetting his ultimate technique: DOWN. With one button press, you can invalidate way more moves than you really should be able to; for example, Warlock Punch, Captain Falcon's grab, Ryu's Focus (but not Ken's because *shrug*), loads of autopilot landing up-airs and so much more. I will reiterate that I think you can have fun with Zelda and that she doesn't have to be a special-spamming machine. One thing I tried that I really enjoyed was to ban the use of my B-Button unless at least one of us is off stage, and landing a dair into a fair strong hit is unbelievably satisfying!

You should try out Joker. He’s the only DLC character you’ve barely played, and he’s really fun.

I never laughed more at Mii Gunner gameplay than your Sans Collage at the end, that shit was hilarious!!

Blink twice if you're being held hostage

I love how 3:28 sounds like both a reassurance that Shulk is easy to learn but also a dig at the intelligence of Shulk main lol

The Mii Gunner clip had me rolling at the end but I think Mii Gunner can be fun depending on the moveset you give it. For instance I have a full “movement build” that uses the psy magnet down-b and forward air to mix my options and add more creative flair.

Hi Hop! I’m really loving these videos, it’s a cool idea! I think you should give Joker a go. He gets a weird reputation because Leo uses him but I think he’s one of the most fun, stylish characters in the game- I feel better than I am whenever I play him. I think Alpharad once said of Joker/Arsene “he’s like Sheik with Ganon aerials”. (Plus that persona music do be groovy 👀)

Thanks to your last video, I now really enjoy playing Robin of all characters!

That sponsor segment was incredible

i would love you to try my main, but i think you already like and enjoy ridley

Shulk was a character I initially didn't care for in Smash 4, but I ended up maining him in Ultimate after noticing the improvements they gave him and realizing how much fun it is to use the Monado Arts. I think giving Shulk a selection wheel for the arts helped a LOT. If not for that, I wouldn't enjoy playing as him nearly as much as I do now. Thanks for finally giving Shulk a chance! Also, 6:14 is the single greatest play of all time, lol

4:53 If you throw out an aerial after activating Jump art or press B once, you’ll be able to drift in the air again which makes it way more useful for recovering

Imagine the Underdogs having a Smashdown, Hop ends up playing Peach, or Shulk and he pops off. I find just the image of it hilarious.

This was an awesome follow up video! Feel bad for just being happy last episode that you played Corrin and Robin, but I'll give a couple actual suggestions. I tried something similar a year or two ago and I found that Ryu is actually really fun to play. The way his jab and aerials connect into his specials is really fun to use and makes him feel like you are linking substantial hits together. Special canceling is a cool mechanic, but I only like it on Ryu. I tried Ken and I do not enjoy playing him at all. I'd also put in a word for Mii Brawler except with the optimal special loadout. It plays very differently but is still really fun. If they are named Roy, play them.

Love this series so far! Careful trying out all these characters man, you might start having fun

Peter I can't tell you how happy it makes me to see these 2 videos just going in and actually playing elite smash and just experiencing all the fun it actually can be is so great and ive been doing the same thing lol maybe looking for a sort of secondary (i could use more secondaries being a incineroar main lol) or just playing some for fun keep on keeping on man 🎉:)

"I feel rewarded for my thousands of hours in the game" gameplay of him only using spin in backround

Would love to see you play duck hunt! His can is one of the most satisfying moves to land when it comes to hitting it around and launching it into someone, my personal favorite is following up nspec into a jump dair to spike the can down next to ledge, def would suggest giving him a go!

I think you should try out mii swordfighter. They are basically at a middle ground between Mii Gunner who's gameplay is so stupid it ends up being hilarious, and Mii Brawler, who has a lot of specific tech and satisfying setups, which ends up making a surprisingly very fun character if you use the correct moveset.

I saw your other video and picked up Lucas and had a blast! Hitting the sweet spot fair is so satisfying and the down air on stage goes crazy. Also funny snake

As an avid watcher of your videos and everyone in the Underdogs (and the Underdogs obviously), it's really cool to see the perspective change on a lot of these. I look forward to you referencing how "actually this character's alright" next time they come up on random in an Underdogs video haha

Hello Hopcat, Firstly, I must say that I absolutely love this new concept as it brings a fresh view of many unliked characters and I think that it's a brilliant idea ! The quality of those videos are also amazing and I can see the work and effort you put into these (but you already made awesome videos before of course, been a follower since a long time now😎) Thus I would love to see you play Sonic in this series, as he is a character a lot of people, myself included, love outside of Super Smash Bros but that is very hated in the game. Just to see if people can still love him like I love him 🥺(not my main but I like to play him sometimes)

You really should try mii swordfighter with the tornado neutral B. Sure he is kinda cheesy but that tornado will set you up for any attack you could dream up, and all the other moves are a lot of fun to experiment with and find to more cheesy mii swordfighter moveset. :)

I love these videos, because not only they are fun and informative but they are much more relatable for the casual players than most guides or some Poppt videos lol (that I still watch but are a different thing)

A character I would recommend that nobody plays is Villager. Not many people main him and it seems like everyone is average at them. I’m not even a main but every time I get him on random I just enjoy it especially with tree and bowling ball shenanigans.

Kirby has some of if not the best normals in the game. Great aerials, great Smash attacks, INCREDIBLE tilts. Highlights are probably Down Tilt with its stupid low profile potential, Forward Tilt with its deceptively strong kill power for its speed and how easily it sets up tech chases at lower percents, Forward Air for its decent range for a Kirby move, and Forward Smash simply because of how early it kills.

Glad I can make a cameo! Thanks for having me on!

ACTUALLY Mii Gunner DOES have combos. They can do down throw or up throw to neutral air, landing forward air into grab or dash attack, the Grenade Launch neutral b into either dash grab; running tilt; running smash attack; or dash attack, the Missle side b can combo into dash attack; grab; or the Charge Shot neutral b, the PK Fire looking side b can combo into forward air; RAR back air; dash attack; running up smash; or the charge shot neutral b, & then bomb drop down b can combo into basically anything assuming you have the right set up.

I always love seeing stuff like this. Good job hop

Feels like the “that was pretty impressive” at 2:03 was directed at himself not the sponsor ngl😂😂

I love these videos! I’m glad you’re giving these characters an honest shot. If you do this again, how about giving Lucas a go? :)

Seriously making me want to play Kirby against my friends now. Thanks for another great video on this subject!

love hearing you talk about ray jay's gel tip

No more director cogger upload schedule no way

Meta knight can do more things than just his ladder combo, such as falling back air into rising back air, ground canceled falling back air into down smash, down throw at low percent into neutral B, and side B draging yoshi off stage at 56% which would have killed at last stock but he fell out leaving meta knight in free fall making me sd lossing the game... I'm not crying, you are! As a warning up B is usually negative on hit unless he kills which isn't often enough.

BRO, landing Kazuya's down-smash at the ledge is what I live for. It's like "Stay down there where I put you, bish." Makes my weak, frail self feel like a real man.

I would suggest Bayo, for the self indulgence, but I'm not sure you'll like her that much. She starts getting fun only after you learn how to do jump cancel up b and a few of her basic combos, which really isn't hard to do, but it takes a little time. Although, she definitely has a much lower skill floor than Peach or Sheik, so if you're interested, you can try her. It is very fun to combo someone to the side or top blastzone tho. I do love doing that a lot. :)

You should totally play Yoshi. His combos flow so well into each other, egg lay is a fantastic gimping move, egg throw is a fun projectile, he’s just got all the traits of a fun character. Honorable mention to Lucas since I saw him at the bottom of your KO list. His moves are pretty broken and you can have some fun with his grab!

LUCAS!!!!!! Yes he’s a zoner, but the manz got up close boxing combos, 2 different spiking moves, DJCZ, ton of off stage potential, loops, unique up B that can be challenging to new players picking him up to recover, healing option, technically an armored move, and a reflector. Character is so unique with a higher ceiling for movement possibilities, you just gotta look past “Pk Fire” and get good with the Up B recovery. Plus sniping people with pk fire while off stage and killing at low percents is kinda hype. Or even stage spiking them with pk fire is also fun. If you’re sweating use pk thunder or pk ice to edge guard. But you also got dair and bair spikes or even just ran off and fair. Also don’t forget up air chains at low percent to get 60-90 percent combo strings, don’t know why but his up air chains are the most satisfying.

love the bit where hopcat goes "these videos take a lot of time" bc of how it sets up for the sans monstage. I'm so so sorry you have to spend so much time in the kicking puppies and kittens factory king, have my interaction, you deserve it

I’d love to see you try Wii Fit Trainer! Her hit and run tactics involve interesting trap setups with sun salutation and header in tandem with versatile normals that can kill with deep breathing active

As a shulk main I got 2 easy tricks for you 1: in buster, just down throw and f tilt. Congratulations, you just did like 40% 2: this is for the backslash fans out there. When the opponent is offstage, go smash, double jump high, and backslash to the ledge right when the opponent is getting up. Sounds like it would never work, but when you go smash they'll often get tunnel-visioned into not getting edgeguarded at 60%. Also don't try this more than once per match or twice per set, because they will definitely see it coming if you fish for it

I like this series a lot. I think I might give kirby another fair go after this, now that I dont have to feel like Im a toddler for even trying him. I think a fighting game character like Terry might be fun to try. Hes not as complicated as kazuya for example and shit like buster wolf and power dunk spikes are just hilarious to me. Yes, obviously Im a Terry main, give me validation

this is secretly hopcats progression to become the best ironman attempt player to exist

Not going to lie that montage made Sans gunner look hilariously fun to play actually, rather than the opposite which seems to be what you were actually going for. (Also holy crap you're right that World of Light x Megalovania goes HARD)

Bro the Raycon ad was baller no joke, only you could pull that off

Kirby's copy ability are actually stronger than the originals, I should remember to use them more

"Although I think about 90% of these are people desperately looking for validation on their mains" *guilty as charged.* I've had the same reservations as you did about Peach and Shulk tho, maybe I'll give them a try if you really think the skill floor isn't as high as people believe

0:17 I got in a hopcat video lets go 😂 More wanting to see more gameplay of certain characters then validation of mains although that is a part of it to 😅

I think one that would be great for this is Rosalina. She's good, but requires more effort to use well than most of the cast. Some of the basic tech for her is learning to hit an aerial just before you hit the ground, which will cancel Rosa's action, but Luma will still throw it out. RAR shorthop Nair into Luma landing Bair is a great tool that's pretty easy to use. You can also cancel your dash attack into a grab, but Luma will still dash attack. Rosalina may not be worth it for the time investment she takes to learn, but even with basic tools she's a lot of fun.

Ice climbers takes a bit of practice to know how to safely recover, but you can get some REAL sauce with just side B into up air. The icicles also have some BONKERS interaction with projectiles, they some how go through fully charged samus shot

One of the characters that I think gets overlooked since they got nerfed is Inkling. All the kills imo seem so rewarding when your opponent is covered in ink. Also their up throw to up air combo is just so free.

I also recently discovered how fun Shulk is, glad to see him getting some love

Man you upload quality content fast!

interestingly, I also decided to give Peach and Daisy a go recently, and it's been fun learning them

You might want to give back some love to olimar, constantly deciding what setup you want, trying to preserve pikmin and keep the ones you want to use in order makes it feel like you're playing smash bros at the same time as a brain tester, or if you're not in the mood to play sweaty his moves are pretty fun anyways

As a Mii Gunner main, you are 100% correct and it fuels me to use this character for evil

The character I play is kind off like shulk where the skill floor is deceiving low and you have a move that you can just spam, but this time, you have 2. Pellets are a really good neutral poking projectile and fair is a shorter ranged wolf fair. Metal blade is literally raptor boost as a projectile if you throw it like your using a landing aerial, and leaf shield is a great move out of disadvantage.

Incineroar neutral B on Kirby sounds like a nightmare to play against. Aside from a little end lag, you can basically spam it for free because he’s so short.

Hopcat - if you move just a little bit when activating jump art it doesn't steal your jump as Shulk.

Met you at an event in Perth once, you’re such a nick guy. It’s epic

For Peach, "easy mode" is jump on shoulder button. Float cancels become infinitely more reliable.

I'd like to see Hop try Mac and maybe the FGCs. I think it might be a fun experiment. I also would like to see him do follow up videos to these where he plays with live commentary after getting in practice to make these ones.

The hopcat character development is crazy

sephiroths big sword can be super fun to swing around, and even without learning the falling nair chains he still has a combo game good enough to get consistant 30% combos (if you're good enough) ~~yes this is just wanting validation plz im desperate~~

Oooh, also try out Duck Hunt and Yoshi, two characters that I always thought of as lame but I tried them out and they're hella fun. Duck Hunt's aerials are good and their spike is god tier, and everyone talks about Yoshi nair but upair and bair are so strong and so satisfying to kill with, and with Yoshi's airspeed bair can be spaced so safely

Smash has been burning me out a little lately so I put it aside for a while, but this video reminded me why I love the game. And then you showed those Mii gunner clips... I'm extending my hiatus.

I do hope you give Ryu a chance. He's quite a lot of fun, even without going for all the inputs

Ngl played a little Shulk today and while I’m still not really feeling it, he was a lot more fun than I remember

A cool thing about kirby's copy abilities is that they actually deal 1.2 times the damage of the move he copied

omg peter is so good at the sponsors that I always end up watching, great job

If you looking for characters that make you feel really good at the game, meta knight is awesome. And as a funny little thing he has one of the only “parries” his forward smash is only active for one frame, so if it clashes with an opponents move- it will stun them for a second (grounded only) then you can do follow ups like down B etc… fun character and would love to see you try them out.

I love how you give Sans a Ness voice

I would love to see Piranha Plant, my suggestion would be looking at alpharad's old plant gang videos and getting some ideas of how to play plant for fun.

I love this series plz do more!

Funniest part about Mii Gunner? They nerfed him. Mii Gunner in the WiiU/3DS era was a menace, the multihit of his projeticle lasted as long as a PK fire, his speed was based on the height of the Mii you used to create them and their campig set had an extra "landmine" build in. Sakurai really hated the world when he made this abomination from the zone zone

4:56 nope, you just dont jump till it ready and you can jump then up b

I'd super recommend giving Bowser Jr/The Koopalings an honest try. Admittedly I'm biased because I used to main them back in Smash 4 (now I'm more of a Ridley/DK/K. Rool guy) but they have such an interesting intersection between heavy and zoner that I really do enjoy picking them up every once and a while. Also their jab is a kill move which is really fun

9:41 Ah yes Coby, my favorite Smash character.

Would love to see you try ZSS if you do another vid like this :) Once you learn the combos into flip kick spike it’s like a drug

kirby is such an underrated troll character. the taunt, the stolen moves, the suck and cuck, the list goes on

Can’t believe I missed the sequel. I feel like Hop went into my brain & read why I use Kirby. Very low skill & fun ceiling but it can be very fun to play him at higher levels. Also funny gun go brrrat

You forgot the one fun part about Mii Gunner!! Their Forward Air sends you backwards so you can get funny momentum kills that cannot possibly catch people off guard because it’s so obvious what you’re going for and even if you hit back air or down air or nair or whatever move you’re going for you most likely die for it anyway :D Thats it. The character sucks unless you’re going for a toxic night stroll.

All I needed to see was a flip to know it's a 10/10 video

I think this is the best Smash series. It's rare to see Smashers leave their comfort characters and really try something new. Great stuff!

I tried ice climbers this week there feels like a lot of potential and upair is chef kiss

I agree with Mii Gunner. I could spam projectiles like there’s no tomorrow, but I am just held back by guilt… and I tried to play an intentionally toxic wifi Ness

Second try: no camp, full mash, shuriken of light, gale stab, stone scabbard and power thrust Mii swordfighter. It's surprisingly fun

There's a guy in my local that plays Mii Gunner with Grenade and bomb (Samus downb) he plays just like Hop did. It's infuriating when he says "gg" and shakes your hand after the match, the second his opponent goes off-stage its just Neutral B and Down B. And he thinks it's so technical

I'm giving shulk a try now and I gotta say playing this character is alot of fun, thank you HopCat!

Maybe it's different in Australia, but I'd like to see Hopcat go into online Arenas. Arenas are what keeps this game fun to me, as a lot of the time it's people just looking to have fun.