MP325 - Why Don't Ferrari's F1 Customers Have Their Top Speed Advantage? 

The average this year for single yellow "no lift" was a 3 place penalty, and 5 place for double yellow. No penalty for Lewis' "no lift" though.

@@TheJAMF Have just watched a rerun of qualifying and there wasn't a Yellow out when Lewis went past but there was for Vettel as they showed his onboard and he did lift. tbh Max should have been under investigation as he produced a purple sector then and the micro sectors showed him purple in the particular micro sector where the waved yellows leading through the waved yellows. He also got 2 points on his licence which I suppose is some punishment.

@@clansome It's about the statement from Lewis, along the lines of "I saw Bottas had crashed, but by the time I realised it, I was basically post it". (says a racing driver with very fast reaction times)

@@TheJAMF The pen is for a YF not for passing a crash. LH didn't break the rules.

Hamilton’s final sector showed he slowed down. In the final few micro-sectors, Hamilton slowed down.

@121bham Same here, that spinning fan is distracting. What is the purpose of the fan? Shouldn't the exhaust be removed via the chimney? #askelvis

It’s a heat conducting fan that is solely powered by the heat from the fire

Thank you man

As it says in the description....

@@F1Elvis on mobile we can't go to the timestamp from the description. It has to be in the comments. P.S. Really appreciate the technical input you give.

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That's what having tires where everyone is always just hanging on until the end does. They're not racing they're saving their tires. If any one of the front runners tries to go fast they'd fall right out of the podium spots.

LOST! 😂

@@DekGT5mad Yeah basically, even though that technically had an ending, it was just silly! ;)

Crofty does that because he was hired to do it. Hes always the “hype man,” while his partner is always the technical one.

Yep. Or 1inch thick aged Angus steaks. Yum😋

Well they can't be given different units according to the rules. The manufacturer will always keep the best ones off the dyno for themselves, but it's tiny margins.

Marc Priestley I know that costumers receive the same basic hardware. But is the software the same?! Software can make a massive difference both on power and reliability. (Thank you for taking the time to converse with your subscribers. I truly admire that, especially when considering your unbelievably tight schedule!)

Yes, all teams use a remote mission control room back at base, but I agree, limiting the amount of simulation would make it harder to control the outcome for teams.

I think that's what some people think they are doing...

But i think thats what’s so great about formula 1 like there’s so many parts to this circus and every weekend we find something to improve on which we didnt know we could

Yep it's a fault that needs fixing

It's a fault, yes. But Max saw the yellow flags. He could have ignored the messages on steering wheel?

That's why they still have people waving flags.

Yes, they are all getting closer, but we're about to go and change all the rules, which will probably spread them all out again.

Correct. Ferrari doesn't sell their spec three to their customers. As per the rule, they have to provide it if their customers ask, but when your customers are your technical partner and b-team. I doubt that will ever happen. In 2016 didn't they sell STR a year old motor?

Ferrari had a straight line speed advantage from Bahrain already. It was only since Singapore with the update where they can now gain on the straight and match what others are doing in the corners. Previously they lost all and more they gained on the straights in the corners.

@@martinstrumpfer1620 I agree with you, Ferrari have a very efficient car and were always fast in a straight line, but that advantage has seemed to increase a lot more since they got the new PU installed in their cars considering only the straights (case in point Russia where they had gained about 0.8s only in the straight over Merc and RBR)

Agree

@@F1Elvis Spot on

Senna paid off mortgages at McLaren many years ago...

@@F1Elvis I did not know that! But coming from Senna, it does not surprise me!

The problem with a spec brake duct is that you it would have different affects on different cars. It may have a bigger affect on Mercedes, while at RB or McLaren, it may not have as big of an affect.

@@PeRRXX The goal is to prevent any car from having brakes overheat- which is bad for racing. So make them big and equal. If that effects cars unequally, so be it. But it would at least prevent cars from backing off due to hot brakes- which has happened a lot this season. And I suspect engineers are clever enough to make it more equal.

alfamaize yes that’s the goal, but the teams should be able to create their won that works with the car, but it would still need to work within guidelines, Like require a certain amount of air it has to take in. Then we could have closer racing, but also while having it work with the flow of the car.

@@PeRRXX Nah- cost save. Build around it. Again, this is an area that no fan ever notices, and I'm sure hours and hours of optimization is spent on it. And the current benefit is brakes that overheat. I'm sure that even with a air flow requirement, engineers would find a way to reduce drag and reduce the effectiveness. Marc and others has proposed the idea of spec aero, and other spec parts- this one is very hidden, and the drag reduction work makes the racing worse.

True, and considering different aero philosophies I'd be inclined to think there would be differences in the recovery and deployment. For example if HAAS tried using Ferrari's fuel maps they might suffer cooling issues & handling issues from the regeneration affecting speed and therefore down force. They definitely would want to deploy differently to optimise their lap time with slower corner speeds needing extra punch on exit. That's one example as to why they seem to perform differently, even though it's more to do with the differing PU management & car PHILOSOPHIES than anything else.

They can't just go pulling an engine to pieces because of a rumour. The Ferrari has been cleared as legal by the FIA and the process needs a protest to trigger an investigation by the race stewards.

@@F1Elvis Tbh Marc given that unless you pull the engine apart you can't really tell for sure the FIA can't really clear any car in the normal course of events.

Don't remember, sorry.

Ferrari only had to look at Renault or Red Bull to know how well the hard tyres were lasting, there's no way they're basing their strategy on Lewis moaning on the radio that early.

@@F1Elvis Likely you're right about that. But there does seem to be pattern as Ferrari seemed to be pretty convinced Lewis would have to make a 2nd stop up until about the last 15 laps (based on the radio chatter).

It's one way to help them...

That's Williams milk float of a car. The Racing Point is doing pretty good, isn't it?

@@martingonzalez6915 😂😂😂

@Concrete Head They were great.

Martin Gonzalez not really. Unless spending millions for 7 race in race out u consider good

No team will ever waste a second checking, they develop systems and procedures to save that second and make the perfect stop. It almost always works.

@@F1Elvis Right. May be there could be an option in the system depending on the race situation. If a second doesn't cost you much then it's safe. Errors like Norris i mean.

They're also lower and wider.

I wasn't talking about load transfer or body roll. I was referring to the rediculous space those cars take on a track.

In case that's a counter point and not an addition to what I said 😂

read the end 3 questions. I think its clear by implication he saw then www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.fia-post-qualifying-press-conference-mexico-2019.4dNANRb3qwmAHh9CIaekJb.html

It varies with each track and race conditions etc, but also Pirelli went harder on the compound selections this year to allow drivers to go further and push harder.

That's correct. 👍

They do use it.. they started using it like 1 race or 2 before Ferrari

Incorrect, those are spec 2 motors. The spec 3 is only used by ferrari themselves.

@@Bahamuttiamat spec 3 was used by haas and alfa at spa.. ferrari waited until monza to use it.. basically haas and alfa were beta testers... so... when did ferrari introduced that supposed spec 3 that only they have...?

I know you want to believe that but both were running new spec 2 motors in spa.

@@Bahamuttiamat spec one is the engine you start the season... Spec 2 arrived around Monaco-Canada.. spec 3 around spa for costumers and Monza for Ferrari .. I have not seen any additional engine upgrades for Ferrari after Monza, except oil and gasoline new formulas producing more hp... And not all costumers use the same gas and oils.. I think Alfa does.. at least the gasoline... But there still too many variables on why they don't have the same.top speed, I'm pretty sure Merc team.destroy racing point and Williams on the straights

Their goal was to optimise rear wing performance. They simply shifted the cooling inlets Merc has in their airbox to the side pods.

@@martinstrumpfer1620 it would be nice if the public had access to more detailed information, inluding layouts and schematics of the car systems. I cant see why this couldnt be possible because each year there is a turn over of key persons who in any case loads of information to the new employee. For example I worked with a major F1 team (quite recently), with NDA's and legal agreements in place to protect my business and theirs, only to see the whole lot go to another team when an employee jumped ships.

Many do a family day, yes.

Yes

Marc Priestley And here they are, squeezing every last Newton out of their aero package.

He hasn't always done it, it must be to hold a certain control for the launch, but I don't know exactly I'm afraid.

Yes, but it can't happen in this modern era anymore

Everybody at every team calls it the prat perch. 😂

@@F1Elvis That's hilarious. I love learning little insider details like that about F1.

Seb was called in the pits to cover Hamilton's undercut, he decided to stay out himself.

@@boostav You actually made me go back and rewatch that part of the race. Soon after Lewis pits, Ferrari orders Seb to put his car in "mode box" Seb reponds "Let him (Lewis) go. What do you think of letting him go?" Ferrari: "We're thinking (?) mode box anyway (??)" Then ultimately, at least according to Paul Diresta who was reporting on the team radio transmissions for Sky, Ferrari came back over the radio before the lap was over and ordered Seb to stay out. So that's pretty interesting. It's not quite as straightforward as you said but there is a case to be made that if Seb had trusted the team's strategists more, he'd have pitted the lap after Lewis and had a good chance to keep his track position and win. At the same time, it seems like Seb made the Ferrari strategists doubt their own decision and ultimately change their minds, which imo did cost them the win.

Only two complete current cars, Karun got to drive the actual race car on one of Merc's allocated filming days. Of course there are enough spares to build more cars, but only two typically built at any one time.

Normally not, unless it really is all hands on deck to make the deadline.

No, I don't think so. It's much easier to preserve tyres at the front than it is when following.

Active suspension is expensive to manufacture and set-up. F1 is aiming towards reducing costs. Active suspension will also make driving easier, there would be no balance issues for drivers to drive around and nobody wants to see that. F1 was never about road relevance no matter how much they keep talking about it.

I suspect they will now...

Palm down.. back of your hand more sensitive

You have to run it hot when it's just been lit...then turn it down.

Chris C the diff is also constant as the brake bias has to be. Problem with Renault was that it changed automatically without the driver doing it. So it was penalized because it was a driver aid.

@@LeonTheBest1998 Is this diff constant? I thought it was programmed to be different throughout the lap? I could've sworn I asked this on one of these videos on received that answer.

Chris C it will be constant until the driver changes it. I think what you mean is the different diff settings e.g entry mid and exit diffs. But these are essentially just modifying how open or closed the diffs are at different throttle applications or without throttle application

@@LeonTheBest1998 Hmm so it is programmed, but on the basis of things like throttle application, and then the driver can tweak that setting with a dial. It's not like they figure out where it should be everywhere on the track throughout the free practices and just program it.

I don't think it was, but it worked.

Pouya0820 Mercedes said they planned a two stop strategy but changed after seeing Ricardo manage the hard tyre. For Lewis to “act “ he would have had to have known before hand what the plan was & clearly he didn’t.

hazeluzzell this link may explain things easier valiantfireside.com/pages/secrets-of-the-stove-fan

Log burners are captivating

Fire nearly died in the end 🤣

I agree with this. Confirmation bias sees many unjustly blaming ferrari for the race result. Fact is, various factors came into play compromising their race. Leclerc was pitted early because they had to cover albon. At that point, everyone was on a two stop strategy. lewis/mercedes superior race pace saw him inch up toward seb, within undercut range. Being behind they pulled the plug early, far too early. There was no way mercedes knew, even observing Daniel's stint, the tires would last 47 laps. They hoped it would but it was very risky. Ferrari/vettel considered responding but lewis' outlap took that option off the table - so they went long, confident lewis would hit the cliff. It wasn't a guess either, friday's running showed massive deg and blistering on the merc, worse than ferrari. They figured said Leclerc was on the optimal strategy but reality said otherwise. TBF to Ferrari they did nothing wrong and couldn't have done anything better. The 10degree increase in race day temp, kept the pirelli within their operating window and the hards showed little to no deg. Plus the ferrari motor, while more potent is less efficient than the merc. Ferrari was running out of fuel and had to lift and coast. For once James Vowles utilized the undercut. About freaking time.

😂Believe me, there's no anti-Ferrari bias here. I'm pretty sure I did say Merc had the opportunity to gamble and take a risk, whereas Ferrari had to play it safe and it didn't work out.

No, had Vettel pitted the lap after he would have most likely come out ahead with a decent pit-stop.

@David David It was Vettel's fault not the team, he was called in but decided to stay out and go long.

@jds54 once lewis pitted being 1.5s behind with a 2.4s pistop and pure pace advantage - there' no hope vettel would've come out ahead.

David Baker the Sky :)

@@officialWWM They should've made it rain during the race then!

Burning oil as fuel is banned

Jeroen Bons wasn’t max shown the film from his car that clearly show yellow flags being waved when he was called to the stewards.

Ok, but he still drove past double waved yellow flags flat out, knew there was an accident, but no idea how serious or how many cars were involved, and yet still admitted to not caring enough to lift off the throttle!

Yes, the thin air meant the brakes got way hotter than normal and wheel nuts/hubs overexpanded.

I think a big reason why folks think the racing is very good right now is because it's been really bad for a long time. This looks like garden days by comparison.

I never understood this I'd love them to go soft soft soft some race

Andrew Pease I’m intrigued, but what are you saying?

@@OriginalApexTwin just a potential method of getting more energy.Would presumably involve cheating and a lot of research.

That would be highly illegal and easy to prove

The race director says not...