RAID: STOLEN Legends 

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"Could you please give us a list of your questions that you want to ask so we may be able to better our communication" is buisness code for "tell us what youre gonna ask so we can make pre fabricated lies that will be hard to see through"

Unless the art contest has a big prize pool of $$$, don't waste your time or energy on it. The fact the contest rewards were in-game currencies is laughably pathetic.

As a designer, NEVER do art "Contest". You are literally giving the company free advertising. PLUS free brainstorming. Companies literally just steal your work, use you all for free research to insure they pick the best ones.

Not only do you report on them stealing, but you actually hired the artist they stole from and showcase his work. You sir are a legend!!

Wow, i’m so glad I still haven’t taken any of their shit sponsor offers. God I hate raid.

I'm guessing we won't be getting a Raid sponsored video anytime soon.

Everything in Raid looks visually unoriginal to me. It's so many designs from so many sources dissonantly mashed together.

I'll be honest, his first mistake was engaging with Raid at all... Don't do that, its an obvious gacha scam, you don't want your work in there.

Oh damn, haha that’s my artwork that I was commissioned to create. Thanks for the exposure. My names Keegan Francis on artStation if you wanted to see the original post. Funny to see they liked it so much they just stole it.

plarium: we do not want reputational damage also plarium: acting as shady as they can

Never do any of these competitions. The rewards are always MINISCULE amounts of in-game currency, and just a way for the companies to extract a bunch of free labor out of the community.

"send us a list of questions" is something they said so they can think up the best way to respond rather than having to bullshit live on call.

Raid shadow legends, currently the biggest advertiser of RU-vid aside from Genshin Impact. Two games Upper Echelon Gamer hates. What a combo.

This is similar to what happened to me when i won third place on a character creation contest on a game named Lost Saga (online brawler by Kreon, korean dev, Indonesia server). It happened when I'm just starting college 7-8 year-ish ago. The contest more or less have the same terms that i knew going in and the prize for first place is that their character can be made and put into the game and after they got released then the winner cannget it for free (with extra premium cash currency that's not really that much, equals to buying 3 premium heroes if i recall). So the character/ hero got made and it was a hero named "Pentjak Silat", As the first place winner while the others, mine included aren't. Things went as usual for a while and then out of the blue my character who only lands on third place got made by the dev, with 1:1 comparison to mine, design wise and mechanic wise, the hero name is "Hacker" (Same name, design, movesets, gears etc) i was shocked beyond belief and surprised because they never say anything about it but happy nonetheless because I'm just a sociology minor student at that time that does art for a hobby but in the end when the character got released on my server and i have to BUY MY OWN CHARACTER its just feels wrong.... I mean even though it was a popularity based contest and a forum exclusive one and the prizes aren't that good in the first place, heck i can say that it's horrendously low for a p2w game like Lost Saga that demands you to buy these heroes and gears using irl money and such (you cant grind them out) i still think that at least i can get my character of my own design for free. I'm an average spender in that game and kind of regretted it and i just think they didn't really appreciate my efforts or credited me properly. In the end while i do feel kinda shitty I'm not really mad and extremely happy seeing my design that didn't actually won the contest have been brought to life. It also implies that the devs likes my design, more than the 2nd place winner at least, but if i have the knowledge back then i might do things differently. Edit : grammar mistakesss

Its pretty common for submission contest rules to contain clauses that make any submissions property of the company holding the contest. Since the prizes were in-game things, which cost the company nothing to give away, they were basically fishing for free designs.

What really scared me about raid shadow garbage is that it seems there is a demand for it. Just eeeww.

I was all like: It's totally possible it was just a coincidence that two artists just so happen to draw similar looking characters... and then you started comparing the abilities.... and now I'm all like: Oh they dun fukktup.

"We don't want reputational damage" As if their reputation can be damaged fourther.

sadly when artist take part in competition like this, they lost all right to thier work because it's always part of the term to take part. this is also why you dont own anything that you design in games that allow content creation.

"We investigated ourselves and found that we actually did nothing wrong."

Blumhouse tried to do something similar with horror movies years ago. If you are a creative person, DO NOT GIVE ANYTHING FOR ANY CONTEST. You can self publish on Amazon for written stuff and keep these art ideas for portfolios. They would not hesitate to use copyright to screw you over so don’t help them make it easier.

Sadly no artist has enough time or money to attempt a lawsuit on them. All we can do is not support them as a company. Ive never downloaded it and though ive thought of it theres no shot now. Its just a straight waste of money

I have personally never met a single person that has actually played this game. They all said that the constant ads and sponsorships turned them off permanently.

This reminds me of a story from Sears. An employee came up with a wrench design where you could easily switch the socket and direction of the turn without having to take it apart and he submitted that idea to the company expecting them to do the right thing. They told him that they would not use the idea and then months later he saw it in an ad in a magazine. This wrench design is the one we all know of today. He complained and they responded by giving him like 20 grand or something. He pursued legal action and the company fought so long and hard that the original man's lawyer died and the case was taken up by his son. This is a second generation lawsuit that cost so much money to Sears said it would have been cheaper just to pay him what he was owed years ago

Omg yeah raid is getting worse and worse. been playing raid for 2 years. They raised taxes twice this year. And CVC destroying clans

Artist: "I made this" Raid: *YOINK* "We made this"

Something tells me all the content creators who have taken sponsorships from raid garbage legends won't have anything to say about this.

This concept is fairly popular within fantasy theme games so they might have actually made this concept beforehand but I agree that the way they handles this wasn't the best

"They stole that artist's work" *"ah yes the floor is made of the floor"*

The TOS saying you renounce any rights to the materials you submit are a major red flag. Make people work for you literally for free AND potentially steal massive amounts of material that would have costed a fortune in time, effort and money.

technically this video is brought to you by RAID SHADOW LEGENDS because if raid didn't exist he wouldn't make a video about it

What is an even bigger shame is that they took the very original design (sure the Mesoamerican Lizardman is nothing new, but it brought some fresh things to the table) and turned it into a generic fantasy design, even dumbing down the name. I actually really like the Mesoamerican Lizardman aesthetic because it uses a fantasy race with no grounding in Tolkien (as other fantasy races tend to originate from) and it showcases a really vibrant group of cultures (I specialise in Mesoamerican Studies so perhaps that's just my bias) that is normally ignored or ridiculed in popular media - but the corporation, surprise, surprise, went with the safe mainstream option. No credit and no respect for the artist or their original vision.

He had me in the intro lmao

I always enjoy the fact that every video feels like a gaming detective mystery case. Especially with how much research you put into these. Still surprised you Gundam and Clownfish held out this long against their offers.

The e-mail response was oddly specific with the dates and the colour choices. Usually, it's a red flag when people are too specific, and they are probably lying. A long time ago I read a book or article about interrogations, and it said that people who tell the truth are often vague in their responses or misremembers things, while people who lie often have rehearsed a story and in the hopes of being believed they tell an almost too perfect story with too many details. The e-mail seemed to me as a rehearsed story. I would've believed it more if it said "back in 2019" instead of "Jan xx, 2019". I'm amazed that they didn't include that it was a beautiful day, although a bit windy. :)

Can't have 'huge reputation damage company would take' if there's no good reputation in the first place

If I were the artist, I'd be asking for the actual clip/.ai files with the proper "created by" dates, and all the corresponding design documentation for the champion. Failing that, I'd drag them to court.

I would like to point out that the Company most likely wanted the artist to send them a list of questions Just so they could come up with some plausible answers pulled from the aether. And when they didn’t do that they cut ties and went silent.

This whole situation can be summed up as: ORIGINAL CHARACTER DONUT STEEL!

I mean, *everything* on Raid just looks like Wish’s version of Warhammer units. I wouldn’t be surprised if the small print of the competition states that all submissions made become the IP of the company.

This video is sponsored by Raid: Shadow legends!

Never participate in art challenges, doing so cheapens the work of artists working right now and your future prospects.

They're literally just looking for free labor. I dare say that being rewarded with in-game items or whatever is worse than being paid in "exposure".

Say, didn't WB do something like this a few years ago? Hold a community art contest and then seize the rights for use and publication? What is it with these game developers and their tendency to treat their communities like garbage?

Literally just found this channel from the Titanfall 2 video that I watched 20 minutes ago. Good content, keep up the work. Edit: Funny enough I got a Raid ad.

Devil's Advocate: Bipedal lizard man with wings isn't exactly original. That being said, these designs are nearly identical, so they probably stole it.

Yeah, IP law is inherently depressing.

Wish youd have almost anything on the screen besides that game while talking about the story, the “gameplay” is just eye gouge worthy

This video destroys Raid so bad, I almost feel sorry for them. Almost, I dont, screw them and screw that game.

I feel bad for the artist but their contest ToS pretty much stated "we're gonna steal your art and you can do nothing about it". Before participating in such a shady contest I'd make sure to get legal advice first.

Raid is trash. Looks good. Thou tried it when it first came out and its a super grind.

Here's my thought about this. The "official lizard" would have been done long before the second contest but they put the original artist's concept in the that contest. That to me is a nail in the coffin. That sounds super early but let's look at it. Before the official release of Ramantu it would have been over a year to conceive the character and get its finished. Not knowing how many people are employed or actively working on new characters that still seems like a long time. Now a four month period seems more likely to make a character and if the concept was basically done by the original artist they just need the visual and skill tweaks to make it an "original character; do not steal" situation, like changing Sonic's color and name; boom! Sonic oc. To me this is clear as crystal they are guarding their asses.

That almost sounded like "this video has been brought to you by rage..." well, it wouldn't have been wrong.

I played Raid for about a month. Couldn't even get 35% of the story without spending cash. I said screw that and uninstalled it. Never touched it sense.

This is becoming an issue everywhere for artists. The fact is: do not post your ideas. You just can’t. Find other ways to show off your talent. I had my art ideas taken by a verified musician. That’s someone I know of. Most of the time you’ll probably never know when someone steals your art.

You know that someone in the company used that model as their “own work”, then got a big promotion off of it and is now trying to give the real creator the workaround. I hate people like this. We’ve all worked with one scumbag.. how do these type of people sleep at night knowing they are truly revolting inside and out?

This sort of thing happens all the time. The only surprising part is that they bothered to respond at all. Back in highschool a friend of mine designed and submitted a prestige class for a steampunk DnD expansion he liked that was having a community design contest. It was a called the Clockwork Knight and he designed an elegant little system to build up and spend points in combat that represented winding up and releasing tension in a gear system in the armour. He didn't win any sort of prize but when the next add on book came out it had his prestige class in it, a nearly carbon copy of the powers and mechanics...only they called it a steam knight and had the points representing steam pressure. He received no credit and no response whatsoever when he reached out.

I wish I saw this when it initially aired. What Raid does is extremely common place in the art world. The majority of these competitions by these large companies is nothing more than a way for these companies to get free art/art ideas. They not only take the "winning" images but the non winners as well. It's technically legal as they post (in like 10pt font) legal jargon that allows them to take an artists concept and adapt it to their liking with no credit/reward. It is important for artists to read the fine print and ensure that before entering a contest that they retain 100% ownership of their work with a guarantee said work will not be used in any way, shape or form.

Calling it right now: Good video. Edit: It was a good video.

The fact that a raid shadow legends ad popped up on this video is beautifully ironic.

Paid: Shady Bellends

My guess is it went like this... They made a rough concept character in 2019. This dude entered his character into the competition. They noticed it was popular among players. They said "Hey, remember that Draconian type character we came up with?" Then they thought some of his ability ideas were better than theirs and modified their original concept.

Was I the only one hoping for the insane possibility of this video being sponsored by RAID?

This rolling "game footage" is giving me PTSD and I only tried this game for a month when it first came out 🤣

props to the stolen from artist your what really makes games work.

Why don't this video sponsored by raid shadow legend? that would be.... EPIC

There is a faction in the game called Lizardmen. The artist created his concept based off that faction (I can tell just be looking at the concept art)so it's within the realm of reason that they could have already had a similar concept. Also, the listed abilities are generally similar in nature to abilities that already exist in the game.

From an artists point of view the champion looks almost nothing like the submitted concept art. * Bipedal lizard man with wings - Hardy the most unique concept out there. Heck, mod some wings on an Argonian in Skyrim and bam, there you go. * Frilled neckline - This is something that can be common on lizard characters, and these two don't even have the same type of frills. (also the face is more small, pointy and birdlike on the in-game model, not at all like the bigger raptor head of the concept.) * Dagger tipped spear as a weapon - Not that unique of a weapon and I have seen that on other lizard designs as well, especially the more primal looking ones. * Tail and spike pattern - They are not even the same type of spikes. The concept has bony randomized spikes while the champion seems to have a fin-like kind of design to it's spikes in a more streamlined pattern. * Wings with spikes - Yet again this is not a very unique feature and the spikes are very different in styles and looks. * Loincloth portion of the armor - It's a loincloth, many characters has these. The patters on them aren't even the same or particularly similar. It is very possible that they really did have that character made when they say they did, and only now brought it out after receiving a concept submission for a hero that would actually fit that character. Especially after considering how very similar the skills are and how that would require less work to implement that way, so to me this seems to be the most likely case. So did they copy the visual design? I would have to say no to that. But did they copy the character's playstyle concept? That does seem very likely, yes.

Once again, I am glad that I never gave Raid: Fraudster Legends a single second of my life.

the most baffling is that they could just pay the guy with their fake currency as "honorable" mention or something like this. I think what might have happened was that one of Design or Art on Raid team "inspired" himself to meet some kind of champion quota without telling anyone about it. And now Raid is hiding their head in the sand to avoid having to let off the guy responsible or they might not even be able to find a plagiarist in their midst.

Th easiest thing they could have done is: "Hey [artist], we know you didn't win, but we would like to use your design. So to make it up to you, your account will have the new character already unlocked. Plus you will be credited." Seriously it would have been such an easy win for the company as they now appear so nice and generous and built up goodwill from any future contest.

Literally had a Raid: Casino Legends ad before this video. Lmao

The fact that they doubled down and insisted that it was a completely original piece of work is what I think is going to be the key point of legal contention. Like you said, if they had admitted to it, they could have relied on that disclaimer they put in in the initial Art Challenge. Furthermore, call me paranoid, but I felt that when they asked for which questions the Creator was going to ask, they were doing it to possibly prepare and come with fabricated documents to provide evidence of their suspicious timeline to prove that their character was completely original.

If raid had actually created the original design, they would have just met with the guy and showed the original concepts. They stole his work, then hoped he would just drop it.

Marvel Comics did this decades ago. They had folks who were artists submit "The Next Villain". The winner gets their character featured in a book. I think it was Spiderman. I wanted in because I am an artist and that would have been a great opportunity. I read the fine print. Any submissions would become the property of Marvel Studios. To my knowledge no winner was announced.

Original artist forgot to put "Don't steal my OC" in the character description lol.

"This concept revolves around artwork that appears to have being taken without credit I might add from an independent artist and that artist is also the creator of the thumbnail for this very video with his porfolio and social links down below. Uhhh. Literally where? Oh the irony...

What makes it so bad in my opinion, is that crediting the artist on the reveal of said character and sending him the fake pixel currency would have actually boosted their reputation, whereas theft does not. They lose nothing by giving credit and a handful of rewards. Hell they could have even credited the character to the artists account as well and lost nothing.

Artist: loves games and making characters Me: nice! What game you support? Artist: Raid: Shadow Leggings Me: *facepalm

does anyone use manscaped? because all I have heard about this is that its a shitty razer that WILL take chunks out of your sack, a review I watched way back said a beard trimmer would work better.. Not callin UEG a sellout or anything more just bringing attention to maybe it being a sponsor to look more closely at

👁️👄👁️Funny that i got a Raid Add when clicking on the video

I think getting the artist to do the thumbnail for the video is super cool, and highly respectable. Great video!

I once created a champion design for Riots "Urai Jacksam", Bunny with katana who uses tornados, gapclose and slash ability as ultimate which knocked up target into the air. Sadly I lost this design art piece and internet archives from site where I posted it also didn't live long enough. Now it's one of the most imbalanced and used champion in their game in a face of a human - Yasuo. I know it was a fan made design, but still I would like them at least say something like "we took the idea and made hero from it". it would be as good as "work well done" comment.

he could claim to never have participated in the contest and that the designs submitted were stolen from him in the first place. their TOS are not enforceable in this way

Raid scumbag legends

I don’t like Raid, but it could be a Magic scenario with Colfenor. There was a custom magic card that came out for Colfenor months before he officially got a card in Commander Legends and the similarities are striking. The issue is, sets in Magic are designed about 2-3 years in advance, so Wizards probably had an idea for Colfenor before the fan did. But they’re so close it’s scary and funny.

I wouldn't be surprised if the original concept of the character got made in 19 and then someone saw the Quetzal-Kan concept and used it to complete the design.

Great content man, keep it up👍

Yes! I hate raid shadow legends.

I am currently studying 3D asset creation and animation, I am calling all animators, 3D modellers and programmers to come together to make a free to play Parody version of Raid. WHOS IN LADS?

The problem here is that you can't rule out convergent design, especially if the two artists happen to have followed allot of similar media before. It's a bit like how Star Citizen released a salvage ship that was almost identical to a salvage ship from EVE and while fans raged both companies chuckled about it. It wasn't a copy, they both just used the most logical approach to designing a small salvage ship working on the same type of resource thus ending up looking the same. It happens.

How's this news everyone knows that when raid does art challenges that always put the champions in the game but they tweak the appearance of it ? 😂😂😂😂

Honestly disappointed in the description of this video, I am unable to find the artist, but found a lot of stuff that correlates to titanfall, so if you could update and fix that I'd appreciate it.

I don’t know what people expect from phone games. I played some Raid a couple years ago and it’s fine. One thing that’s better about Raid than older games of its type (I’m talking 2012 era) was that the old phone games would have about 5 minutes of gameplay before you have to wait to build up “credits” to play more. So they were lame. When I played Raid, I could mess with it for a good half hour or longer before it needed to go into “cool down” or whatever to build back your available playtime. An uninterrupted half hour is pretty good compared to the old games. Pay to win is on the player. Personally I would never pay extra for a free phone game. It’s a phone game, come on. It’s something to do while you poop.

I love when folks agree to a ToS like this. I'd never in a million years, agree to something like this...

Haven’t watched it yet, but UEG thank you for great content. Very interesting and informative!

I got an ad for raid garbage legends “Oh raid, if only you knew what the word “irony” ment”

I absolutely don't understand their response to this. It would have costed them absolutely nothing: "Hey, thanks for reaching out! This design is indeed based on your contest entry. Although you agreed on our terms to pass all rights [...] we moved ahead and granted the champion to your account, free of charge with all associated optional content. Thank you for being such an amazing and creative part of our community!" (And they could even have done this in advance before he had to ask…) But guess common sense isn't anything some corporations want to see…

Welcome to 2021, where game developers pay their artists in virtual in-game currency.