Souls PvP Is Going Extinct And Elden Ring DLC Probably Won’t Save It… 

The removal of covenants has to be my least favorite part of the game. The structure and factions are already there, I will never understand why they’re gone

I want larvae tears as a reward for pvp

Volcano manor had so much potential for this alongside with Moghs whole faction

Man how sad would it be if it was really the end... I miss ds3's covenants

What they need are covenants and rewards. That would really liven up PvP

it's still possible we get covenants, they were cut from the base game and Fromsoft often use their cut content in their DLC

You know what would make pvp better? Better netcode

I tried out DS3 for the first time a few days ago, and I got 3 random invasions while exploring with ember on. Won one, lost one, third disconnected (my wi-fi is ass). I really enjoyed the surprise every time, wish I could experience this in elden ring (taunter's tounge doesn't feel the same).

they don't need to add 2 slots, just ONE for a 2nd invader to get in, so 90% of the invasions at 125/138/150 isn't a 3v1 open field with almost non-existent-cost Ash of War projectiles spam L2 fest that you need 500 hours minimum experience to have more than a 10% chance to win. Oh and a specific area where you can hang in with 5 more players so FCs are a real thing again (which are nice for new PvPers as there's no pressure of permanent 3v1 or grace rune arc'd duelists, they can practice pvp in a fair 1v1 scenario that's not giga sweats in the arena)

I think adding a specific game mode for invasions might be an interesting way to spice up pvp. It would consist of a rotating playlist of maps (mostly legacy dungeons) where three players are thrown in at the beginning with the goal of reaching the boss. To make this easier for the host, they could give them extra heals whenever they beat groups of enemies, as well as giving them the opportunity to summon one friend (if they died) back with each checkpoint they unlock. Invasions in these games are always at their best when it’s that classic game of cat and mouse, with the host and his buddies trying to get to the boss as quickly as possible, while the invader utilizes his knowledge of the level to outmaneuver them and force them into compromising situations. To make it fair for the invaders, the level would be scaled to the host’s level, with a few mini bosses sprinkled in that need to be defeated, preventing the host from just sprinting through the level towards the boss. Each level should have its own unique tiered rewards for the host, invader, and summons, that are themed with the level. Stormveil might have an Ash of War that is like a slower, more powerful Storm Blade that uses fire, similar to what Godrick can do with his dragon, Leyndell might have an incantation that summons a rain of golden swords as seen from Morgott. These would require a certain number of wins, while each match grants the player a weapon upgrade material or maybe even a silver tear Lastly, for regular old invasions, they should modify the Taunter’s Tongue to more strictly control exactly who gets summoned. Considering it’s this game’s version of the Dried Finger, it should reflect a certain level of added difficulty and masochism in how it functions. It would still open up the host to solo invasions, but limit the host to only one summonable phantom and one blue. Furthermore, in order to be able to resummon, the host should be required to kill at least one of the invaders. That, or it should block summons altogether, and limit the world to just one host and one invader

Invading at lvl 60-70 is where I find myself lately. I don’t know how many times I’ve come across 2 people who have completely cleared an area and are just sitting and waiting for a fair 2v1. On the one hand, constantly fighting 2 and 3 players has made me a better player, and not just me, when on the off chance there is another red, there is a huge sense of urgency and co operation that I used to find myself wishing for in ds3 when other reds joined. One on one invasions would be awesome, but it’s not all downsides. If from soft ever go back to solo invasions, invaders are going to have a fucking field day.

I will NEVER FRIGGIN EVER forget all the wondrous battles that took place in Oolacile. A derelict town crumbled from age, the halls echoed with the sounds of BATTLE! Blurs of red, blue and gold, all swirling to create a cacophony of metal clashing with metal, silenced by the squelch of torn flesh. The victor bows, but he is not done. The next contender marches down the steps with an unearthy THUD THUD THUD! The ground shakes as the crowd turns to witness the most feard gladiator in all of Lordran, the GIANT DAD. Edit: the best part of DS1 pvp is that is is still healthy n going strong up to today. Sure it is nothing like it used to be, but you can still easily find a group of like 5 people all dueling and spectating. One thing I do miss so fuckin much, is the dueling etiquette from DS1. Everyone bowed, before and after fights. It was always 1 on 1, and usually anyone who jumped in got ganged up on. There was tons of "thank you"s and "You're welcome"s. It was such a great experience, people were so respectful as they tried to kill eachother. Elden Ring is an absolute shit-mess when it comes to pvp. There is no etiquette, no repect. Thats mostly cuz of all the new players who've never played the previous titles, or those who have but just never engaged in pvp. The rest is all just dipshits. It isn't even dueling anymore, its just a race to kill eachother n that shit is just not fun to me. DS3 improved on pvp a ton, but my favorite memories come from Oolacile. My Bloated dark sorceress was such a fun character, people hated that bitch lmao. Edit again: what they need for ER is what I thought they were gunna do, bring an ACTUAL coliseum. One where we can get a crowd of spectators, with a waiting list to sign up on. You sit and watch battles until it is your time, then your transported to the battlegrounds and duel. When the duel is over the next participant enters. Thats what I and many others thought these coliseums were gunna be like, not just 3 circles to fight in. They dropped the ball so fuckin hard.

As a solo and co-op enjoyer, I won't forget the experiences of hide-and-seek and running for my life in the early Souls games.

they need to reset the timer when a phantom dies, why this was so bad was because they would waste your time running around, then you finally kill them and not even 2 minutes later you have another bc the timer (about 15 min) would start when they arrived not when they died, my first playthrough in the mountaintops was non stop, I had to actually just play that part solo bc it completely ruined the gameplay loop

So I actually played through DS3 as we waited for Elden Ring DLC news and yeah the pvp in DS3 is actually fun! I see now why Elden Ring pvp sucks so much and it genuinely hurts cuz it could have had the best iteration of pvp ever in a souls game but yeah…big letdown

Just add something similar like covenants and allow the player to obtain currency, which in turn can be used to buy rare items like Somber Ancient Dragon Smithing Stones, respec items (Larval Tears), or even some quick Runes and other various items.

Fias champions are a good opportunity for PVP boss encpunters

Invasions will never go away its an integral part of the souls series

what I would've liked to see is factions fighting over forts/territories on the map. you can fight for the carians(rennala), Leyndell(morgott), Mohgs dynasty, Radahns army, Miquella/malenias haligtree. then use the various forts across the map and make it so you have to open gates, and take a fortified position. you'd have a set amount of lives/reinforcements defenders win so long as the invaders don't take a flag or relic and the invaders lives are spent. invaders need to take out defenders but defenders have more lives but if invaders hold the relic - defenders don't spawn. you cordon off these matches just how the npc invasions are cordoned off - by a white wall around the play area. 3v3 in small forts - 6v6 in bigger locations like leyndell, carian academy etc. I have no idea about the backend but from a gameplay standpoint I think that would be awesome. for balance they have the means to equate all weapons to a certain level as for pvp. they could even have loadouts/starting classes based on the different factions. Carian knights vs dragon knights of Leyndell. flame wielding Radahn soldiers with gravity sorceries. golden order incantations and holy weapons for Miquellas army. rot builds for malenia, bleed for mohg. although I'm not as hyped about not taking YOUR tarnished into the battles.

Rewards for invasions should be better. Rare crafting materials like golden centipedes, yellow embers, starlight shards, etc. would help a lot with incentives.

Honestly, both Volcano Manor and Mohgwyn's Dynasty would've made for perfect covenants for invaders, especially since using their respective fingers deliver unique music while in combat. Not only do they need to add incentive by adding covenants but they also need to make said covenants unique like in past games. Think DS1's Darkroot Forest, where if you succeed in an invasion you get a completely random reward, be it a Titanite Shard or Rubbish. DS3's Mound-Makers, aka the Mad Covenant, where you not only could invade with the requirement to kill however many players are in the world, but you could also be summoned by the Host and support them through the area, killing enemies with them, only to then betray them via stabbing them in the back. It's small things like these that give true incentive to not only the covenants but also invasions as a whole.

I never liked souls pvp. I wanted to try it since ds3 and yet every time I invaded/ got invaded, the other guy was sliding around or rubber band like crazy. I tried ER pvp and barely anything changed. Guess I am always connected to someone overseas or something.... The worst thing was that back in ds3 when I wanted a covenant item I had to farm mobs for ultra rare drops as pvp was unplayable. Thank god there is nothing locked beyond pvp in ER.

I'd like the Jar Warrior bots in collesium to fill empty spots

PvP doesn’t mean only invasion, I’ve played all ds games and I hate invasions and invaders, if I wanna go pvp I go to fightclibs and/or the coliseum

The last few months I have been trying to get into invasions. Did not play PvP in any previous fromsoftware game, but really enjoyed the excitement of playing against other players after trying it a few times. But 95% of my invasions result in someone incessantly pressuring me with moonveils/rivers of blood/great swords while someone endlessly casts a barrage of spells. I am really trying to stick with it, but I am just not able to deal with this, and I really don't want to just invade and then use a bunch of cheesy BS, so it hasn't been going very well. Even so, it has kept me in the game, has caused me to use other consumables I normally don't bother with in PVE, and encouraged me to engage with the world to farm materials for consumables. I really don't want to ruin anyone's day and I really don't care if I die, but it is a huge bummer that invasions are so untenable unless you are god-tier. I just want to spend as much time in the Elden Ring universe as I can, and PVE just isn't cutting it anymore.

I can't see them improving pvp if they don't change the netcode. It would be nice to have 1 on 1s for invasions, but I think it would still be lack luster if you still have 300 ms phantom hits or status procs.

Elden Ring introduced multiple mechanics that favor the invader. I play a lot of co-op at around meta levels with randoms and from my experience the invaders win 80% of the time. -Campass for the host: gives the invader the ability to ambush the host without the risk of getting ambushed by the host. Most of the time we are getting invaded, the invader wins in a single ambush, most notoriously with the Rain of Arrows skill (ft. duped Golem Arrows) while being completely offscreen -Flask of Wanderous physic: the host and the co-operators are usually keeping it for the boss, for gankers who get invaded repeatedly it will just expire after the first encounter. Most of the time it's an invader with flask going against people who don't have any flask effect. -Spawn invincibility: I got in a situation multiple times where I got summoned for Rykard, the host entered the bossroom but didn't initiate the fight, then an invader showed up, and blasted everyone with a dragon spell or unendurable frenzy during the invincibility frames -Bieng able to relocate: .....

One thing they could easily change is make the Taunters Tongue Stay on once activated like the Blue Cipher Ring does, for people that want to play through with a more traditional souls experience. Using a finger remedy and resetting it every time you warp or die is just ridiculous, not sure the thought behind that. This is super low hanging fruit.

There is no solution for pvp players, especially if it comes at the cost of the Majority of the player base. Most players don't want to or care about pvp, specifically invasions. That is a fact since demon souls. You can say whatever you like about it but that is not a new Elden Ring thing.

I mean, most souls games pvp last around a good 6-8 months. You can still find matches pretty commonly in Elden Ring and DS3 (and still get invaded in DS1 & 2 commonly as well). I think in ER case, it’s more harder for it to have a longer lifespan for the pvp because there’s no covenants. Without covenants with no unique rewards and even the whole ideology of the covenant itself and why you wanna rep it, I see no point in doing its pvp for longs periods of time. just imo tho

Ranni and jerren could have been covenant leaders. Ranni requiring you to kill hosts in caria manor or even raya lucaria and jerren could have had you get summoned to help hosts similar to blue sentinels or summoned to defend redmane castle. Both giving covenant rewards. Ranni giving exclusive spells and maybe a staff and jerren giving cool melee weapons and armor. Yura as a hunter of bloody fingers could have also been his own actual covenant of bloody finger hunters that could give dex weapons and talismans as rewards. Tanith could also have given pvp exclusive rewards for online invasions aside from the offline quest which has pretty lame rewards. Its a shame none of this stuff happened and of course it would be impossible to add retroactively but i really hope fromsoft starts doing stuff like this again

If anything i want the mad spirits (purples) back, Could help or hinder the persons who world you enter. It was a fun little twist on things. Give them their own player slot and move blues to a limit of 1 and have them on their own slot as well I think a randomized rotation of rewards for winning your side would help things also

The underlying message of your video is that colosseum is not fun because you don't get to kill a player that's playing the game for pve.

One main issue to balance the invasions is the lack of seeds of the giants, I used to play ds3 all alone and let everyone invade but if the invader gets destroy and run to the mobs (happens 95% of the time) I'll use a seed of the giants, and the unfairly advantage of duping, there is always a invader with maxed out usable items, that is a huge advantage, and it's unfair because pvpers never farm, they dupe, that's what kill the pvp and invasions, the cheat engine and the lack of balance and reason to invade

There should be solo invasions but only during dungeons or enclosed areas like Leyndell. That way you could know if there were a chance of it to happen.

I'd love if they included something akin to Rune Arc shops

Elden Ring has my favourite PVP in any souls game because it's the easiest to avoid.

I'm gonna be real; not having a dedicated arena on launch like in DkS2, and making it an update thing was pretty rough, no covenants was a choice, and making the blue sentinel equivalent the least enjoyable version for the invader/defender was also another choice. . . I still feel like my favorite experiences with invasions (both red and blue) was DkS2 and DkS3; thanks in large part to ER just not having any real incentive to engage with the mechanics at all. DkS2 allowed invasions after bosses being defeated, had arenas that functioned as ways to up your PvP rank outside of invasions for both the reds and the blues (which comes in handy for the blues since it stopped working as well), and it also had more dedicated dueling covenants in the dragons. DkS3 didn't launch with a proper arena; but it still had an active PvP area in the base game, where a ton of players could join in (even to this day), and while it sucked to have to pay for it; the arena was a damn fine addition. ER got a lot right when it came to certain PvP things though; finally making PvE balance its own thing would've been something that DkS2 and DkS3 players would've loved, and the arena having dumb fun modes with spirit ashes was a brilliant idea. I just wish there was actual incentives to doing any of the PvP. I don't need trophies tied to it (screw that), but just some cool rewards to show off would've made it a lot cooler.

If it's a choice between resources going to pvp or going to story content, I would choose story content every time.

If we can't get 6 player open field pvp like the arena, I'm hoping the pve in the dlc helps even the odds. More density is good. Also if they cut back to 1 coop and allowed spirit summons in open field pvp that would be rad. Spirit summons in pvp need to be experimented with more. Would love to summon my own co-invader for LOLs

I usually play in offline mode so I can immerse myself in the world and story, but I did enjoy Varre's questline and wish there was more to it. It felt abruptly cut off, and it made me sad. There should have been some method of leveling up with him that awarded blood incantations/spells and a unique bleed weapon of some kind. I did find that invading for his quest took forever to finally give me someone, and they were far higher level than me when I got there. (I was around level 30 I think) When I do take time to play online, I 99% of the time summon in as a cooperator, and even though some invasions while I'm summoned are difficult, the majority of invaders get stomped, and it makes me feel bad for them.

Only if they fix the netcode and/or the matchmaking regions

I think a good way to introduce a ideal pvp setting with a player would be with the volcano manor invasions of tarnished. How I imagine it working would be that a random player just looking for fun can choose to be a target in the already existing areas to fight npc tarnished. I am saying this as a elden ring exclusive player so I don’t know if this would actually work in practice and I also would like new invasion specific encounters and possible story lines added rather than rehashing already made ones.

I haven’t even watched the video yet, but covenants, invasion rewards, and single host invasions (with rune arc) would do so much

I play with the tongue active doesn't feel like a souls game without being invading

I have loads of fun in the coliseum. It’s not AS fun as invasions and fight clubs but it’s quick and convenient and I don’t run into toxic people that often. I do sorta think PvP is an arms race to see who can be the most OP which makes sense but isn’t that fun but it’s easily remedied by getting good and being better than the other players

For me, the fastest way to drive me away from gear is to tie it to PvP. I will never get weapons, armor, items, etc. that are tied to PvP.

I used play ds3 invasions like a religion…in Elden ring I have invaded maybe 20 times if that.

Sorry, but have you been playing elden ring lately? My buddy and can't go 10 minutes in coop PvE without getting invaded

Hey Zio, to change subjects I have changed my position on that DLC sigil. After seeing a few other videos on George RR Martin's books I have come to the conclusion that Messmer has some common plot to "Daenerys Targaryen" from GoT and that emblem on the left hand side is in fact a dragon of some sort (faction) that we will not know until the DLC hits. There are just too many common threads to deny. I also think we will see a lot about Marika's background in the DLC. Messmer is part dragon (not through communion) and what part Marika has in that I guess we will have to wait and see.

I hope the champions ashes team picks up elden ring. There's a lot of Ds3 mods out there, but champions ashes had so much love and care put into it it's honestly astonishing they weren't all hired for elden ring. Edit:typo

Sounds like yall guys might have to hold that L

Early on I’m helping a friend who isn’t the best in one of the trick dungeons, we get invaded right before the lever to open the boss door. The invader will not wait till we pull the lever to fight. I would love to fight but have some respect for us pve players who only want to have a fun time with friends after a long day of work. My noob friend (host) charges in gets killed, we have to run it again… it turned me off to invasions. Not all of us sweat the game but are still good at pve.

Covenants and covenant rewards were dope made it feel like a community or gang and you got sick rewards for it spells and weapons the dedication paid off

damn do you use double coded sword all the time in pvp? looks dope asf

This is a really good video. I am so disappointed that there's no covenants in ER. if there were, I'd play the pvp everyday.

Invasions in the old games absolutely took place to ruin someone’s time. Rewards or not. It’s hard to ruin someone’s time in Elden Ring when there are graces and stakes of Marika everywhere. In the old games you had to run the level over from the beginning.

It needs something like a team game with the like of CTF(capture the flag), base defensive or offensive with everyone with the same health and or picking up health. It needs more long range weapons and the knife throwing and the crossbow from the DLC should help.

I just have this sinking feeling that the DLC is gonna be to Elden Ring pvp what the 1.05 was to Armored Core 6, a good update that wasn't the pvp fix people were waiting for that finally killed everyone's hope of pvp ever being in a good spot.

To be honest let it go please. its really annoying being invaded by people with cave man brains. Who go on RU-vid to look up meta builds and spam L2. Creativity has gone out the window by RU-vidrs and Streamers who ruined online. Not just Elden Ring but any game. Which is sad because invasions can be fun sometimes, but the sometimes gets outshined by misery.

I’ll be using Seamless Coop anyway, so I don’t really care. Getting invaded by turbo twinks every 10 minutes who abuse meta & glitches (& sometimes literal cheats) & locking us into no-teleport no-leaving-current-zone indefinitely while I’m just trying to introduce my inexperienced friends to the amazing game is simply a no thanks for me, dawg. Seamless Coop forever

I would love covenants. Working through different areas where you can be a follower of each Great rune.

I didnt know about PVP in the previous dark souls games, i was just starting off with DS3, and later Bloodborne, Sekiro, and now Elden Ring, and didnt get much into the PVP cuz DS3 was hard enough in story mode lol. But i can say I ABSOLUTELY HATE invaders when im playing with my husband and son, and were just trying to play happily together and an invader jumps in with an OP BUILD and wrecks us, like...now we gotta start over from the previous grace, and redo the stuff again, we get SO UPSET. Honestly i wish they would divide the co-op pool from the pvp pool, like im NOT HERE for PVP at all, especially being at lower levels against broken builds.

I miss covenant and organic random invasions so much :(

Extinct? I can’t not be invaded back to back still even in new game 5 😂 maybe the so called community is dead but the players are still thriving

lol for the first step gank squads I always go to a crevice next to a cliff and spam radagons colossal AoW

Being able to win an invasion would be huge confidence boost to engage in pvp, but it's a long way for new player to even dream of that. If only new players could be teamed against new players... When I was playing DS1-3, i considered all invasions inevitable deaths. I would still try to pull a fight, but you can imagine what a newbie could do. IIRC only invasion I won was when some poor soul found me in banned pool (I don't think they were an NPC although I'm not sure). Ironically, I started enjoying PvP only in ER. After I had ~6 months of experience. Even taunter's tongue invasions were thrilling, as it wasn't an inevitable loss. It was more like a test, will I survive this invasion or not. Although I can agree that this system could see some improvements. For example, opt-in or opt-out system of solo-host invasions with normal timer: more hosts would engage it (as invasions wouldn't get overwhelming) so invaders would have wider selection of hosts. Although solo hosts might still be at disadvantage, as invaders would be prepared to deal with 2-3 foes, and a single opponent would be an easy kill... idk. Forced invasions solo invasions without opting out (or with debuffs on doing that) might outright ruin a player experience. In previous games, death would lead to loss of all area progress, and that was very annoying. In ER areas are much larger, thus it would be even more frustrating. And a new player has almost no chances of winning against invader who is prepared for worst case. I have no PvP mindset, I cannot even invade: I either just die or kill host and feel sorry for that. But I think it's worth considering how possible PvP fixes might impact other players' experience.

Never mind pvp just make a good coop system.

Man, plenty of people still play PVP. The only people I really see complaining are sweats, and they're going to complain no matter what (but they'll keep playing). I like your content Zio, but all this "final nail in the coffin, this is the end, it's going to kill PVP for good, PVP is soulless" nonsense is just hyperbole. And people that still can't get over not having solo invasions are just sad. People like ChaseTheBro have proved that it's EXTREMELY easy, fun and satisfying taking on multiple foes, it simply requires more skill and tactic from the invader. You say "well, the host and his co-op friends aren't engaging with world enemies so it's not fair". That's your job as an invader, to make them engage with the world. Trick them. Outlast them. Force them. Also, your comment at 3:48 isn't a new sentiment in the Souls community. People have felt this way since Dark Souls 1. There always have been people that hate invaders, and often times they're right. Invaders are often just there to troll, and adding a reward isn't going to change that. You also contribute to this by running around and T bagging people. Not that I care personally, I do it too lol, but I also don't complain about trolls in PVP, or act like I'm worried about offending newcomers. Also let's not pretend that Dark Souls 3's version of the colosseums weren't just as dead as Elden Rings (unless you 1v1 in the same place every time). It's just a fact that most people don't play Souls games for PVP. Lastly, you say "there is no need or incentive to play PVP"... I guess that sentiment comes with modern gamers that constantly need something to be rewarded with. Loot boxes, cosmetics, new items etc. What happened to just playing the game because it's fun? The PVP is fun! And it's challenging for both the host and invaders this time around. That's not to say I wouldn't love some improvements like covenants (although I hate the idea of weapons and armor specifically being locked behind mandatory PVP - a better option would be upgrade mats, larval tears or even the opportunity to buy otherwise very rare drops etc.), and I'd also like to see one or two specific areas that are lore based for invaders such as Dark Souls 3 and Bloodborne had, but I'd also prefer From be dedicated to placing all their resources into future IP's and/or sequels instead of working on PVP for Elden Ring for years too.

Man I want to complete vares quest but I can’t get into any pvp matches just started this game didn’t think that it would already be dead it’s only 2 years old

Yeah, covenants, rewards and at least one tiny place where invading a single host is possible But balancing is still a big issue. Possible rewards would lead to more people chasing exploits and busted op builds. I hope all those new weapons and spells will be properly tested before the dlc comes.

I must be one of the ones he's describing, because ER was my first souls game (bought right after drop.) and have never, probably WILL never, even be interested in PVP. PVE is legit good enough for me. You cant use your favorite weapons in PVP because of telegraphed movement, anyway, and i dont like the main styles people end up having to come up with to even stand a chance. I stick with AI enemies, and play offline for this reason.

imo it was always an afterthought. fromsoft doesn't make multiplayer games - they make games and put some form of multiplayer into them.

You’re right on the money with all of your points. Reward system should be top priority. The currency is basically already there with Rune Arcs. Once the novelty wears off, no one really uses them for the buffs in PVE anymore. A universal rune arc shop with new weapons, armor, spells, accessories, larval tears, etc would be a game changer. Then on top of that, they could expand so much on the coliseum experiences like you touched on. Factions/Covenants. Hosted fight clubs. Onboarding/tutorials, etc. Lastly - more in regards to onboarding, I thought both Varre’s quest, and the side quest to get the great jar’s arsenal were great ideas. More of that, please.

Varre’s quest has a pve option, but that npc invasion is in Altus plateau. Worth the wait and easier overall,imo

I’m totally fine with not being invaded when I’m playing solo.

this speaks to some of the problems i think er pvp has. without covenants, you have no extrinsic motivation nor role play reason to invade, so the only incentive to invade is the intrinsic motivation of ruining someone's experience, which added onto invaders being constantly ganked, you end up in a situation in which the majority of invaders are filtered to be high skill, and motivated by being toxic, with this being pretty bad for coop players. compared to ds3, where i invaded for a playthrough just for the role playing of being a rosaria's finger, i have no reason to engage with pvp. that playthrough had some memorable moments of chasing a host through second half catacombs down to smoldering lake, with all of their cooperators dying on the way, to getting two twinned tongues from an anor londo invasion, and being happy with not killing the host. for as many invasions i succeeded, i also failed invasions, and i worry that invasions in this "bolted on" state that elden ring will lead to everyone just having a negative experience of invasions, especially hosts.

7:37 ehhh, I don’t know about this one. They were always ass. Except for Looking Glass Knight. I would rather just have regular boss fights

Gank City in DSIII was the best! was really hoping for something like that in the coliseums. Also love to have more DLC's for DSII,III and Serkiro

I would be soooooo happy with 1 little area out in the world that had 3v3 fights and solo host invasions

the invasion system is fine, u you bunch of sweaty reds need to realise this is a PVE-GAME

Depends where u get invaded, certain spots the invader just is not at a disadvantage, they run and use the enemies to their advantage

They need to reintroduce a covenant system with the dlc that's even better than previous versions. Im talking actual FACTIONS. All the key demi gods should basically get their own ie Rykards covenant would offer rewards relevant to his school of magic or weapons. And naturally you would need a new covenant item system such as unique currency and a banner you would equip that represents that covenant and symbolizes your allegenience ie f you equipped Rennala's covenant banner, you get a unique meteor star item that serves as the currency for acquiring rewards for said covenant. In addition, there would also be rivalries/allies between covenants and the currency is rewarded based on your interaction with rival/ally covenant players. Area based multiplayer interactions. Etc

I think simply adding a reward system and a dedicated invasion area would fix our issue. I would love to see covenants return but seeing as how PvP has never been very important in Elden, I have doubts that it will. Dark Souls was so different in regards to invasions as it really was a PART of the game and probably the biggest selling point for me. The most fun I've had in Souls were from invasions whether it was me getting invaded or being the invader

I remember in Dark Souls 3 pvp you couldn't take a step forward as a mage without instantly losing, so no, I don't consider DS3 Straight Sword meta to be better.

I feel like for pvp specific to colloseum they should have separated stats where it's limited a certain level so that way people who are over leveled can join pvp without making a new character, like a lvl 250 but when they join pvp they become around 125. Which would allow more people to join a larger group of colloseum/pvp enjoyers because it's capped at a specific lvl. I also think if they can separate status buffs into pve and pvp, then they should cap the damage output in pvp so that way people won't get pissed about getting 1 shot by some bs. And I also like the point where you said they should have a goal for people to work towards.

Whenever I’ve gotten 1v1 scenarios they have been very fun even when I lost but I think I just got lucky when I tried invading the few times I did try. (I also have been team wiped before with meta builds, those weren’t as fun)

I turned off online play the minute I loaded the game for the first time. Never looked back.

In elden ring I really don’t like invasions since I just want to get through the game with a friend. So I don’t like when I just get invaded by some one who just kills both of us in 2 hits while we’re we’re also busy fighting a mini boss like Smarag I’ve even had cases where an invader tries to attack us gets hit once and then just hides somewhere in the back of the map and if I try playing the game I’ll just get shot with a charged shot with Loretta’s great bow it really just killed the entire game for me I don’t know how Fromsoft could pull this of but it be great if we could just turn off invasions

I don’t think pvp has ever been a large part of the series….i play the 1v1 arena and it takes like 5 min to get a match

I came into these games through Elden ring and I love when I find the fight clubs, really wish their was more.

If Elden Ring combined Bloodborne's and Dark Souls 3's multiplayer features plus its own new features, it would have been perfect. I've always wanted a menu in which you could choose to personalize your co-op / pvp experience. For example, a toggle to turn on and off solo invasions and invasions in general, a toggle to switch between 4 player worlds and 6 player worlds, a way to set the level matchmaking system, etc. If they did it in the way i see it, it would have been perfect. It would have been cool if they added a way similar to DS3's covenants to interact with the multiplayer. Like- they could have added rings. Each ring could have done something different. Maybe the Ring of Liurnia would have allowed you to become a protector of Liurnia, thus making it similar to DS3's PVP covenants And the list would go on and on. If only it was actually true...

As it is now, I only see PvP as something holding back ER. So many nerfs, so many fun things suffered functionality changes because of "PvP" and what was "meta". And that is just the things we know, because we are unaware of all the things that were never released because it would be a problem to balance or make it work in PvP. I would prefer PvP dead than PvE. Alternatively, I wouldnt mind PvP existing more dissociated from PvE.

i miss getting to a boss thinking; "i could use that flask back" then summoning into another world to win a restock from the bosses.

I think the chaos of ds3 invasions needs to be there. Even in fight clubs, it was fun when someone would attack the host and you had to decide which side you were on. You cant just add fight clubs to the colosseum.

The majority of invaders in elden ring are skilled and well equipped. This was the case in dark souls 2 and 3 as well. The problem was that the host was no prepared for pvp and he was doomed while he was fighting pve and pvp simultaneously. Elden ring did the right thing and stopped this huge disadvantage by giving the host the option to have assistance. I agree with the covenants though. It is a great pvp system. Oh and last but not least, pvp isn't dead in elden ring. Invaders are everywhere, all the time and they are pretty deadly.

Alright alright hear me out. If the devs could find a way to further reduce the fantom range of certain weapons and attacks it would help pvp massively. Also fantom rocking if status effects is a massive issue that needs to go. Many players rely on the fact that if they keep swinging there eventually going to proc their status types. And finally as you mentioned there aren't many situations where invades aren't outnumbered. That becomes a larger problem in high lvs due to spell spam

Nice video as always. I really like the pvp aura effect of Dark Souls 2 - simple but so effective. Cheers from Germany

It's clear to me that Fromsoftware is trying to move away from PVP in the souls formula. It is always more than a few marks in quality below the bar set by the PvE and Co-op. At this point it feels like it only exists out of tradition, because the vast majority of players do not want to engage in PVP while they are exploring a 99% solo experience. Every souls game is plagued by criticism of the PvP systems. Endlessly the fans of PvP criticize the systems, while the fans of PvE crap on the games because of the forced PvP scenarios. Most people fall into the PvE enjoyers, this is main focus of these games. I don't anticipate any PvP changes for the DLC, and the next souls game they make possible may not have PvP at all.

PvP will definitely not die out quickly if things stay the same simply because of how popular this game is compared to souls games & there will be a continuous flow of hosts with phantoms going through the DLC for a long while. It’s not pvp players that keep the game active. It’s actually coop that plays a major part in keeping a game like this alive because without that there would be no invasions.