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Stephen Curry was missing one thing heading into this NBA season, and that was a Finals MVP. Now that he has it, is LeBron James' GOAT status in question? Nick Wright and Chris Broussard discuss whether Steph Curry winning his 4th Championship with the Golden State Warriors, and his new Finals MVP award is a threat to LeBron's GOAT status.
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@FirstThingsFirst Год назад

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@DillonDees Год назад

Don’t promote that garbage on this good show.

@olivierdavid1016 Год назад

Lebron James is in the same conversation as Jerry West and Wilt Chamberlain. Great players that lost more then anyone.

@leonorlegaspi9130 Год назад

@@friend1766 llllllllllllllllllllplppppppppppp

@SapphicTwist Год назад

@@friend1766 Maybe. My point is, Steph just finished playing the best basketball of his life, and it was on a par with anything we've ever seen. So even if we're not used to the idea yet, if Steph continues this way, and perhaps even improves, two or three years from now we may be talking about him in the GOAT conversation...

@goldcoasttv1047 Год назад

Y’all claim lebron so great yet in the erra of his so called greatness he has lost so many titles .he teamed up with other players and win how many ? He’s great but not as y’all making him

@martymcfly8449 Год назад

Wildes laughing in the background is one of the best parts of this show 😂

@tjleaf3510 Год назад

Everything everyone does “STIRS UP” the Lebron GOAT debate 😂😂

@Mercurial. Год назад

Because of the CHEAT Lebron done for a DECADE!

@financialkevin Год назад

Anything involving lebron is great for the algorithm

@UptownAlonzo Год назад

Somehow someway and like the comment above alluded it's great for ratings

@josephdees6929 Год назад

@@Mercurial. go outside

@Mercurial. Год назад

@@josephdees6929 And u get inside, of the game!

@donniet348 Год назад

The fact that Kareem and Magic played together is never brought up. But Kd winning with steph is 😆

@donniet348 Год назад

Funny how nick mentioned it today 😆

@seanswinton6242 Год назад

I don't have a problem with Kareem and Magic because that pairing happened organic6 through the draft. While I do have a problem with the player empowered Super team spearheaded by LeBron, I don't blame KD because his actions were a response to LeBron's. He just did it better. Had LeBron not done it snd made a spectacle of it with a 1 hour TV special with his, "Not 1, Not 2,..." KD may have stayed put or moved without noise. However, KD did it. Playing chess while LeBron played checkers. I give much respect to Giannis who truly earned his chip the old fashioned way.

@deeboywoods1571 Год назад

The disrespect on the late great Kobe Bryant never stops!!!

@massdagod Год назад

The disrespect started with Kobe’s 2000, 2001, 2004 and 2008 NBA Finals performance and also his 2011 WCSF’s performance…or lack there of. Kobe Bryant, on contrary to popular belief, played below averaged to poor in the most of his Finals appearances.

@robertwoodley7475 Год назад

So annoying

@CALI_KINGCFC Год назад

@@massdagod lmao you don't know ball next you gonna tell me LeBron performed well against the spurs and mavs

@mxybeyesterdaygrip2568 Год назад

@@CALI_KINGCFC he knows his stuff. Kobe is the reason the Lakers loss to the pistons in the finals. He was very inefficient at times

@CALI_KINGCFC Год назад

@@mxybeyesterdaygrip2568 putting the loss to the pistons solely on Kobe does not even paint a 1/3rd of what happened that series. Let's say Kobe was the reason the Lakers weren't performing what about an answer for the pistons on defense? I blame Kobe for certain things but I can't for that

@yeahaight1163 Год назад

Steph curry is in a Tim Duncan category for me. Both selfless leaders that helped create a great organizational culture and maybe #1 all time at their position and both deserving to be in the top 10 all time. Their organization helped them realize their best potential and leaving that organization would have an affect on them.

@bjrnthebootybandit Год назад

Could say that for any top player

@johnwick8516 Год назад

Exactly Steph is the new Duncan !

@nateolison7553 Год назад

@@bjrnthebootybandit No you can't. I'll give you 2 examples. Shaq: Didn't create a great organizational culture. He hindered it. And openly admits that because of his selfishness, his Penny and Kobe teams never reached their full potential. Lebron: Wins rings with whatever organization he sets foot in. He maximizes the potential of organizations, not the other way around.

@JuanMoreno-gk9cy Год назад

steph curry is going to be dramatically underrated just like tim duncan. his willingness to be unselfish is going to be used against him. his team culture is going to be used against him. it’s insane.

@bjrnthebootybandit Год назад

@@nateolison7553 huh? Lakers hadn't won for a decade and Shad lead them to a 3 peat. That's hindering an organisation? He moves to Miami and they win again. Aite bet

@SSJRome Год назад

I thought Chris would never stop lol can’t imagine if he ended up sayin “ if Steph wins 8 rings … “ 😭😭😭

@bezzleskyhirecords5088 Год назад

I would have threw my phone 😂😂😂💀

@asieduy Год назад

He really exposed the Jordan fans on that one. Imagine thinking Steph isn't the GOAT after SEVEN rings and 4 finals MVPs. Basically no human will ever be able to surpass MJ in their eyes. 🤦🏾‍♂️

@marcuscarpenter7230 Год назад

@@asieduy yea if Steph won 7 rings and 4 fmvp and wasnt the goat or at least incredibly close idk what people expect from players

@diogoserra988 Год назад

@@asieduy He wouldn't surpass Jordan at all tho lol

@youtuber_00786 Год назад

@@asieduy I mean Nick wouldn't have Steph above Lebron after 6 rings and 3 FMVPs, so he exposed himself/lebron fans lmao. But 7 and 4 would lol

@bfromohio8181 Год назад

So sad that even if Steph get 8 they still will find a way to hate #30 will go down in history as the new logo and get a spot above Rushmore of his own

@munir9527 Год назад

Bryant should be the logo but your right

@fabianbrooks5955 Год назад

So right. They will find a way to belittle Steph smh

@fabianroberts5041 Год назад

😂😂😂

@CC-gg9wl Год назад

fanfiction 😂

@SSC_GoffProdz 11 месяцев назад

@ismaelmendoza2046 Год назад

Curry 3 rings: if curry won a finals mvp we can put him on the top 10 Curry finals MVP: if curry wins another ring we can talk about him being top 10 🤦🏽‍♂️they always got something to say

@SSC_GoffProdz 11 месяцев назад

@yourebreakingmyballs4787 Год назад

Everybody that watches this show is gonna become a Warriors fan just so that Nick has to reluctantly call Steph Curry the GOAT 😂😂

@thomascrowniii1693 Год назад

No one who knows basketball is ever going to call Curry the GOAT.

@yourebreakingmyballs4787 Год назад

@@thomascrowniii1693 what if they won 4 straight? Jordan never did that

@ursula3438 Год назад

@@thomascrowniii1693 You could argue pound for pound he is already the GOAT. Take away MJ's hangtime and Bron's bulldozing strength, and Steph clears them.

@osc-oldschoolclips5204 Год назад

@@ursula3438 you gotta take something away from Steph too if you’re taking from everyone else lol

@thomascrowniii1693 Год назад

@@yourebreakingmyballs4787 Bill Russell did. No one calls him the GOAT.

@spencerj4677 Год назад

Steph's numbers are great, his win percentage is better, and he's absolutely changed the game. He's up there with Wilt and Jordan for the most influential players.

@keithjoseph128 Год назад

He hasn't changed the game at all. Stop the Steven A ignorance.

@spencerj4677 Год назад

@@keithjoseph128I miss when trolls used to be funny

@keithjoseph128 Год назад

@@spencerj4677 miss when the media didn't run fake narratives.

@martyg2333 Год назад

I would put Magic and Bird in there as most influential players. Most kids wanted to be one of them when we played pick up. Bird's shooting and Magic's passing was legendary.

@sebastianchavezzumarraga9742 9 месяцев назад

Influetial inside the game ? Jordan didnt change the game common men he just make it popular

@disizshard Год назад

Jordan was considered the goat because he was the first to three peat in the modern era , something magic bird or Thomas at the time couldn’t achieve. Then he did it again so it was no longer a question. His multiple scoring titles defensive player of the year retiring as the all time leading ppg record holder and others accolades and awards only added to it.

@bboiblack1948 Год назад

in the expansion era. These ppl today face teams with both unicorn KD and steph on them. Personally i'd appreciate jordan more if he did exactly what he did in the era just before or just after with the emergence of shaq/kobe and athletic guards like iverson as opposed to.. so much of all this, especially in team sports is circumstance. Not that big a fan of lebron but his run on the cavs would have likely been some sort of 3 peat had it not been for multiple circumstances.

@disizshard Год назад

@@bboiblack1948 Jordan made the entire 90s draft class a believer he’s the goat by dominating . Shaq came in 92 kevin garnet 95 Kobe and iverson 96, Tim Duncan and Tmac 97. They all were in the league and witnessed Jordan win multiple rings back to back to back.

@dwilliams380 Год назад

@@bboiblack1948 🤫🤫 people don’t like the expansion era logic. They’ll tell you you’re wrong, even though the evidence is easily available.

@rahkinggreen64 Год назад

Bill Russell.....two handfuls..and forget modern era..because by using.that terminology you are saying until Mike came nothing counted??? Come on..

@disizshard Год назад

@@rahkinggreen64 when I say modern era I mean anything after the 79-80 season when the three point line was introduced. I have mad respect tho for the 60s and 70s players. Especially bill and wilt. I’m not one of those people who believe the 60-70 were plumbers. It’s common since they were great look at Kareem drafted in 69 he only won one ring in the 70s but 5 in the 80s. He also has a losing record against wilt laker teams 14-13. From his perspective the 80s was a cake walk

@20Javon10 Год назад

Steph Curry Is watching this and watch him win 2 to 3 more rings!!!

@blender176 Год назад

Facts! Lol

@0168196250 Год назад

I am seriously curious what these clowns will say when Steph got his 5th. Bronsexual will lose their mind for sure 😂

@20Javon10 Год назад

@Aaron9 Lol excuses is a hellava drug!

@gw3psidetl679 Год назад

Recency bias is why I hate the watching the nba sometimes. Curry draymond and all of them getting older and younger teams are emerging in the west and curry is going to win three more rings??? Curry is going to be 35 next year btw

@ndjibukabengele973 Год назад

Even if He wins more, he will still not be in the same category as LBJ for the GOAT. Steph only has one finals mvp and Lebron has 4. Curry needs to win at least 3 finals MVP and 5 championships at least.

@Bork19 Год назад

Ring counting didn’t start for Jordan, he was widely considered the GOAT in the early 90s. The belief in the 80s was if Jordan won 1 title then he could become the GOAT. It was more widely believed after the back to back and sealed after the 3 peat

@phatch5444 Год назад

yeah MJ wasn't the goat til basically after he retired if we being real *98

@thedudeunchained7583 Год назад

@@phatch5444 I watch the NBA since 87...MJ was the GOAT after the first 3peat.

@trtmuslimmcgregor4200 Год назад

@@thedudeunchained7583 What's crazy is that Jordan at the end of the 80's said that he basically accepted that he might not win a championship by the end of his career. Crazy to hear MJ said something that. I forgot where I saw the interview

@jazzymars30 Год назад

@@thedudeunchained7583 definitely

@TheTonytone77 Год назад

If u really watched 90s ball the media mount Rushmore was bird mj and magic... They didn't start talking greatest of all time till 93.. Then he cemented in 98

@aaronjwallace501 Год назад

"They'll find a way to make this an extra ring for Michael" lol

@levels1937 Год назад

Like Micheal needs any help whatsoever from Curry. It’s as simple as this. The majority people like me who actually saw Michael’s entire career and Lebron and Kobe’s and now Curry will almost always have MJ ahead. If you were too young to appreciate MJ you might pick Kobe. If you are like 25-30yrs old you might pick Lebron. If you are in your 20’s you probably think it is Curry.

@russell9411 Год назад

He not lying tho bruh. Mj supporters really a cult and it comes off as cringy

@MR.__G Год назад

@@levels1937 Idky this is even debated. Every ranking poll that ever comes out has jordan number 1 by a staggering amount, by the players, coaches & fans…

@levels1937 Год назад

@@MR.__G It’s debated along the demographics I showed. In another 10-20 years when the people who are in their 20-30’s now are in higher positions in media they will have Lebron and Curry as #1 and #2 it’s already begun really. Nick Wright is just the first wave. I think he was like 14 when Jordan retired the second time. It’s all good I know what I saw and lived through. Lebron was close but he squandered some opportunities and got checkmated by GSW when they got Durant. There is no shame in that.

@ursula3438 Год назад

@@levels1937 I started watching in 96 and I think the main reason many of us still put MJ ahead of Bron is aesthetics. MJ was just so smooth in his movements they called him "His Airness" and "Black Cat" for a reason. His style made the NBA global and made Kobe, Tmac, Vince, AI, Dwade, Melo etc. wanna copy him (Kobe the closest obvi). Lebron may be just as good at bball than MJ (or even better if you wanna believe Nick and Shannon) but his game is, and please excuse the disrespect, kinda ugly in comparison.

@marifeborja1678 Год назад

I love it when Nick and Chris debate about MJ vs Lebron 😂😂

@ozonespec Год назад

"If Steph gets 10 rings, flys to Mars with Elon musk, become a president in 2024, then people will think about putting him ahead of LeBron." - Chris Broussard. 😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣 I swear this is comical segment s

@rollandcurtis874 Год назад

And Steph will still be behind Michael Jeffrey Jordan. 💪

@Kobe8DaGreat24 Год назад

👎🏾

@Kobe8DaGreat24 Год назад

@@rollandcurtis874 and Kobe

@mfcannon8876 Год назад

They be dickriding Lebron James

@jetsettech8804 Год назад

@@Kobe8DaGreat24 lol. Not even in the discussion

@suv3534 Год назад

Nicks all about nuance until it’s time to explain why MJ has more all defensive selections and DPOYs than lebron in less years 🤷‍♂️

@erikpuka2627 Год назад

He was a way better defender than Lebron man. Just got to watch their tape and it screams. Jordan was legendary on the ball. Best non big defender I done ever seen by far. Bron a nice help defender in his prime - nothing more - nothing less. Last 5 years - he can't guard an empty room. Its not just an award thing - its an ability thing. Jordan could really do it.

@Commentsofthemonth Год назад

And Kobe

@derbyking8475 Год назад

@@erikpuka2627 well Jordan only played 15 years if he played 5 more seasons u would probably say the same thing about Jordan tho lebron in his prime is a lockdown defender he should have won dpoy too

@YungLanxx Год назад

Those are media vote based awards lol Jordan deserved more defensive selections tbh but anyone with common sense knows Lebron was robbed of a DPOY award when Marc Gasol won it yet was not even put on the first team all defence list. Also it’s a seasonal award, Bron never had a playoffs where he wasn’t a top defender in his 19 seasons. Jordan was a more consistent defender overall but judging and comparing them based on media votes is kinda weird bruh.

@ryedye335 Год назад

bron is an elite defender who can guard 1-5. also he was robbed of DPOY

@selfrighteous88 Год назад

I hope Curry gets 3 more just so I can see Nick choke on live national television while he proclaims Steph Curry the GOAT. The disrespect Tim Duncan and Kobe are getting is phenomenal. SMH

@teresa-oj9rq Год назад

It's about more than rings though. Team accomplishments is (not Enough )Mt Rushmore material

@BrokeEnt504 Год назад

@@teresa-oj9rq team? yall act like curry just be going along for free championships like he’s not the best player on his team. like no curry no warriors. he makes the warriors a better team

@mr3000sr Год назад

@@BrokeEnt504 no but he only has the rings and best shooter argument… he not top 10 in either of the top categories

@aatiti2011 Год назад

@@mr3000sr the ring and best shooter argument? do you watch him play?

@mr3000sr Год назад

@@aatiti2011 yeah I do what’s your point… he’s not top 10 in points rebounds or assists…. That’s what makes the top 5 all time the top 5…. Along with the rings and stuff…. Magic Kareem Jordan Bron ….

@harmansandhu9753 Год назад

Going down 3-1 in a NBA finals, and then getting one of the opposing teams starter suspended for game 5, and winning the finals by 4 points in game 7 isn’t decimating the team.

@phatch5444 Год назад

getting back to back 40 point games in close outs for the warriors. then dominating game 7 with a 27 point triple double is youre a causal.

@hitek9too255 Год назад

Kevin Love got injured for one game, so it's equal. Don't kick people in the nuts and you won't get suspended.

@tiktokexposed898 Год назад

lebron lead both teams in every stat. he decimated them

@STHHCalebBrewster Год назад

@@tiktokexposed898 Stats 🤣

@TitanPardy808 Год назад

Wildes has a point. It’s not about having more rings, BUT Steph would’ve won them “on Lebron’s watch.” Something to think about.

@bb-lq6dm Год назад

Good point. But I hold the Mavs loss against Lebron. The 3 losses against the Warriors in the finals. Not so much.

@mynutsonyourchin2806 Год назад

Curry finally the best player in a finals series 👏

@ryedye335 Год назад

bron is 37…

@youtuber_00786 Год назад

@@bb-lq6dm and '14 against the Spurs too.

@jasperegan3625 Год назад

I mean, when you create one of the top 5 teams to ever grace an NBA court, I think you have to win a couple rings. There has only been 1 that was really on lebrons watch that he could've done something about, and that's this season. The first one, kyrie and love were both hurt. The 2nd and 3rd was one of the most talented teams to ever play on the court together.

@darrellhardy90 Год назад

🤦‍♂️ I'm both a MJ and LBJ fan, think it's dumb people act like they can't appreciate both... but Jordan is the best player I've ever seen 💯 if u didn't see him maybe u don't understand what u missed

@bigwill9910 Год назад

Simply put who says Tim Duncan is better than Lebron James? The answer is the minority. We acknowledge team greatness plays into winning championships until we start talking about Michael Jordan which is Nicks point

@erikpuka2627 Год назад

@UCPItZf7liabSel9cbkiV3Aw Lebron is a bad defender. Stop it. Everybody gets whatever they want vs him. They just hid his flaws. And he can't shoot much either. They got to space the floor and let him drive in an empty lane and kick it out to legendary 3 pt shooters cause he got limitations. They hide him on defense. You never had to worry about that with Duncan. For his position - he had way less flaws.

@awax9166 Год назад

BUT tIM dUNCAN is better than Bron. That's the point

@bigwill9910 Год назад

@@erikpuka2627 bro I honestly feel like you don’t watch basketball, if you wanna say that about his lakers years then yes, but Lebron was a lockdown defender in his time in Cleveland and Miami

@supdall345 Год назад

@@erikpuka2627 Casual. Not taking away from Duncans defensive impact, he was a PF who anchored the defense. But saying LeBron is a bad defender is laughable. Sure, if you nit pick certain years and talk about him now when he's past his prime with the 2nd most miles on his legs of any player in history. There was a 5-6 year stretch where he was probably the best perimeter defender in basketball, 2009-2013, and even 2014. Finished 2nd in DPOY to Peak Dwight in 2009 and 2nd in 2013 to Marc Gasol (who didn't even make All-Defensive 1st Team, most agree he got robbed). He has a few other Top 5 DPOY finishes as well. You don't do that by not being an ELITE defender. All the film and defensive metrics back it up, he was a monster on that side of the ball. Elite perimeter defender, help defender, team defender, and solid 1 on 1 defender. Guarded 1-5 effectively for a few years, especially in Miami. Locked up elite PGs in the playoffs, D-Rose in the Conference Finals, Tony Parker in the Finals, did a good job on the best forwards in the league, and even managed to do a decent job on certain Centers. Prime for prime, LeBron was amazing defensively. And saying they had to "hide him on defense" is hilarious lmao. They never did that for LeBron, especially in his prime.

@DillonDees Год назад

@@bigwill9910 data still says he’s a net positive on defense even on The Lakers lol.

@KajinDMV Год назад

Steph haters sound like what Bron fans think Bron haters sound like. The LeBron debate wasn’t serious until it got serious. He just happened to fall short. So the Steph debate is not ridiculous. He’s the one that’s next in chasing the legends. He’s the only one left that can outside of Bron. With that said, Steph’s odds to improve his resume look really good.

@Johenz Год назад

Steph not on that level at all

@willseest3732 Год назад

That loss in 2016, makes it pretty tough for Curry to surpass him. Curry also needs more MVPs

@Splashhyo Год назад

@@willseest3732 it’s almost like the lost in ‘15 with Lebron he lost his guys in a crucial series and or game and lost if draymond doesn’t get suspended they would def close it out in 6 but to los him and they win game 5 gave them all the confidence in the world to be like we can do this but no to belittle what Bron did he played the greatest basketball I’ve ever seen 3 games in a row

@drkdze Год назад

@@willseest3732 LeBron has more stains on his resume tho. the lost to Mavs is unforgivable I'm sorry. He's been swept in the finals, and this year just failing to make the playoffs with a stacked team.

@phantomt2427 Год назад

@@drkdze by using your criteria.... 2016 is the biggest argument against steph even being in the conversation, losing like that "I'm sorry, it's unforgivable"

@sandman1008 Год назад

Nick is wrong. MJ actually has LeBron beat in nearly every advanced stat. So, the analytics aren't really favoring LeBron.

@taheemtownsend1003 Год назад

He was talking about Steph but mj has slightly higher stats against far worst competition not a good argument

@sandman1008 Год назад

@@taheemtownsend1003 I was referring to Nick saying LeBron has the best analytics in history, which includes MJ. And MJ did not do it against weaker competition. I don't know where you got that nonsense from. The East was the best conference during MJ's time, so MJ was going through the gauntlet every year just to make the playoffs and reach the Finals. But advanced stats are focused on the regular season, which is what Nick was referring to. Again MJ has him beat in most advanced stats. But I'd mostly like to know how MJ was playing worse competition in the regular season.

@CALI_KINGCFC Год назад

@@taheemtownsend1003 you definitely haven't watched ball past 2010 and it shows

@mxybeyesterdaygrip2568 Год назад

@@sandman1008 lies lol MJ played far weaker competition in the finals than LeBron James. LeBron played KD and the warriors which were the greatest team we had ever seen assembled

@sandman1008 Год назад

@@mxybeyesterdaygrip2568 Notice in my comments, I specifically mentioned the Eastern Conference, and MJ having to go through the gauntlet just to REACH the Finals. I said it that way specifically because I agree in the Finals, LeBron faced tougher competition. However, that was in large part because MJ would typically face his toughest competition in the East playoffs. Whereas LeBron had an easy ride through the East until reaching the Finals, MJ would have to face stiff competition in the East just to reach the Finals. I am a firm believer that if LeBron had played in the West his whole career, he would not have made it to 10 Finals. I think he would have made it to 4 or 5 Finals. However, he would be 4-0 or 5-0 in the Finals. We don't have those same questions for MJ. For those 6 full seasons, we know that he would have gone to the Finals 6 times, and won all 6, regardless of what conference he was in.

@Matt_Schwanda Год назад

Antoine barely had Steph top 30 a month ago, so I think he should sit this one out

@DrShwazz Год назад

Hey man maybe with that playoff run and the title and Finals MVP....he MIGHT move him to 29 lmao.

@cogginbenton Год назад

better to have him top 30 instead of top 12 or 10

@Matt_Schwanda Год назад

@@cogginbenton so you think the 2x MVP, 1st unanimous MVP, 4x champ, 1x finals MVP, 2x scoring champ, 1x steals leader, centerpiece of a dynasty, and the best shooter ever is closer to 30 than 12? You are out of your mind.

@cogginbenton Год назад

@@Matt_Schwanda look at the guys he’s played with, when he’s had success and when he hasn’t had success.

@camdonking1919 Год назад

not even a month ago. in the finals he had him in the 20s

@everardoalvarez1061 Год назад

Nobody ever brings up the fact that lebron was trying to recruit kd when he went to the warriors. Nobody wants to touch that

@k10e05h Год назад

I stopped listening to AW’s takes ever since he said Steph is only in his top 30

@Kobe8DaGreat24 Год назад

That's high I have him top 100

@countertenorflor2107 Год назад

he's never been anywhere closer to curry's journey, he just does have the same experience and views in terms of success, curry is so out of his league and he can never understand who curry is, how he did it, why he succeed.

@countertenorflor2107 Год назад

@@Kobe8DaGreat24 I have you on my top 10 clown list

@user-dn8jk7vu6v Год назад

The difference is steph won all of his while Lebron was playing at a high level. No one won more while Jordan played

@D-money813 Год назад

Lol what?? MJ didn’t win 15 rings

@johnbills3056 Год назад

@@D-money813 Barkley, Malone, Stockton, Kemp, Hardeway, Miller,...think otherwise.

@jeru6722 Год назад

@@D-money813 you're exactly right Jordan won 6 out of 15 years which means 9 years someone else won.

@Joeyz94z Год назад

@@jeru6722 You're missing the point which is no other player got more than Jordan's 6 while he was playing

@jeru6722 Год назад

@@Joeyz94z the nba wasn't loaded with talent like it is today plus every team basically stayed the same for at least 3 years in which the Bulls was the best team every time in the finals he won 5 titles against opponents at .500 or less. Plus Golden State and the rest of the NBA was building teams to go against Lebron hence KD and the Bulls got 6 not just Jordan and nobody likes to admit the NBA was trash except about same 6 or 7 teams for 12 years I was watching back then not hearsay or highlights Lebron plays tougher teams better competition better athletes when he retire then we can access it better but for now stay tuned he'll get 2 more

@gametimesiv Год назад

You can see it written on all their faces 🥴 that was a mic 🎤 drop ending there by Nick! 😅👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽 Any statement that starts with "I don't care what he does, he will never be..." is purely driven by a preference instead of objectivity.

@georgeth4421 Год назад

nah, is was not a mic drop...it was easy for Nick to say since it is a scenario that is really unlikely to play out, so he does not risk anything...

@jasperegan3625 Год назад

@@georgeth4421 if it was easy to say then Broussard wouldn't have done the opposite.

@emericas9 Год назад

That means it’s too late. Steph went wrong asking kd to join and taking a backseat! He was supposed to comeback and take it from bron but it spelled fear begging kd to come tbh

@alouda-valorant9692 Год назад

Yea you can tell it's purely driven by preference rather than objectivity. The fact that they're saying (except for Nick) Steph can never move up past mj and lebron regardless of how much he wins shows they just want MJ to be #1 forever and maybe Lebron #2.

@diegobromfield Год назад

Nick towards the end is the only one being objective. If Steph ends with 6 or 7 and LeBron doesn't win any more, I think its only fair to put Steph ahead of LeBron AND if he wins final MVPs the rest of the way, ahead of Jordan too.

@mariannevandenbossche3621 Год назад

Curry: 4 titles in 12 years / James: 4 in 19 years. Wright TRY at least to be reasonable

@RenegadeGaming777 Год назад

Asking Nick Wrong to show objectivity when discussing Lebron is virtually impossible lol.

@billpap.9669 Год назад

If KD didn't join the Warriors Lebron would be sitting at 5 or 6 rings EASILY

@jaydot4956 Год назад

Who cares, he still ain’t better bron.

@udinelumbu2351 Год назад

Having a rival match/surpass you in rings doesn't look good in your GOAT case. Michael never allowed his rivals anywhere near his ring count, that's why he's the GOAT. He dominated his competition.

@jamesadegboye7378 Год назад

This is my favorite argument, do people realize MJ played 15 seasons in the NBA but only has 6 rings, what do we think happened the other 9 times?

@youraverage90sguys7 Год назад

@@jamesadegboye7378 adding to that, its funny the 80 was the better decade, he wasnt doing anything, and 90s, when players openly admitted, and there are written records in newspapers, that it was weak diluted era due to expansion, he started winning then

@phillipgoat00 Год назад

that's fair, but curry winning 6, changing the history of basketball (which Jordan didn't do) puts him ahead of Jordan easily. I don't believe he will win 6 tho,

@jaylenflanagan1295 Год назад

@@jamesadegboye7378 Facts Mj meat lovers just brush that aside😂💯

@youraverage90sguys7 Год назад

@@jaylenflanagan1295 also really want to dismiss what a overwhelming superteam he had

@ZeroFallout1 Год назад

Love how the so called analysts always try to prop up Lebron. 2015 "Gsw win cause Kyrie and love hurt". 2016 iggy and bogut out with injury. Steph was still injured. "GSW meltdown". Funny how narratives changed history. We all saw the master of Fopping Leflop. We all saw the phantom fouls called on GS. We all saw Lebron throw Draymond down no fouls. We all saw Cleveland tossing around 100lb steph no fouls. We all saw the bogus suspension.

@jasperegan3625 Год назад

Wait, we really comparing bogut and iggy being out to kyrie and love being out?

@Jeazy1234 Год назад

@@jasperegan3625 go look at them finals again bogut was a terrible injury for lebron to win easy cuz no rim protector

@hijodejames Год назад

The thing about Steph's injury is that while he did get hurt in the first round, he came back and dropped an OT scoring record against Portland and balled out against OKC in the WCF to close them out. He was definitely close to 100%

@zerokool-2058 Год назад

The league didn’t want the Warriors to be champs.. period.

@milesaheadpodcast Год назад

@@hijodejames A sprained mcl is what kept kris Middleton out of the playoffs so no Steph wasn’t close to 100%

@kourt2469 Год назад

If Steph wins 6 rings in the modern NBA where the competition is absolutely insane with so many elite players, yeah he's absolutely in the goat conversation.

@TheBlackestKnight21 Год назад

No he’s not cause it’s ring culture. lebron has been a far better player for longer w more all nba first teams and more FMVPs and regular season MVPS. Rings aren’t the only thing that matter but stephen a and other media heads have made it seem like that. Steph will never be lebron even tho they both top 10

@kourt2469 Год назад

@@TheBlackestKnight21 I never said it's the only thing that matters. But if curry keeps winning then you absolutely have to acknowledge his greatness. People act like winning titles is easy when it's clearly not

@kondamusa7553 Год назад

@@kourt2469 it’s easy when you have a super team

@Leibaful Год назад

@@kondamusa7553 so LeBron didn't go to Miami? Oh ok 🤡

@Thedeso18 Год назад

@@kourt2469 Exactly. I think people of got curry is younger than bron and has more time in his career left being a shooter. If he keeps winning chips and adding accolades he can def overtake bron. Every times he makes a 3 he sets a new record for crying out loud!

@Hosk17 Год назад

wait chris really did expose himself saying if steph wins 7 rings he still won't put him ahead of mj. he's only got like 5 years left. if he wins 4 rings in 6 years after he already had 3, he should be the goat lol

@DrShwazz Год назад

He’d certainly be in the top 3 convo with Jordan, Lebron, Kareem for sure lol. That’s unlikely but it’s fun to speculate.

@teresa-oj9rq Год назад

Fmvps,rbds,Defensive teams etc It's only about rings for mj in a good way .4-6 to descredit LeBron

@thelight3547 Год назад

He got on a plane to get KD. LeBron disqualified for the same reason. He called wade. Competitive spirit matters. He was scared of a healthy cavs team.

@coops1992 Год назад

If he wins 7 i'd easily put him close or even equal to MJ as the GOAT. But won't happen.

@nicholascole2613 Год назад

@@thelight3547 Let's not do that because I'm sure had LeBron known that Wade's injuries would keep him in and out of the lineup that may affect the decision to go. We know the Cavaliers front office isn't the best, and there was no Pat Riley or Phil Jackson. Secondly, recruiting to Cleveland is hard..no one wants to live in Cleveland as opposed to some of these other organizations.

@chaitanyaadiga260 Год назад

Stephs doing it in an era where free agency is at its greatest and players are actively teaming up or signing vet minimums to get a ring. Obviously he benefited from it as well, but if he ends up with 5 or even 6 during this era of talent, he deserves to at least have a seat at the table

@anthonymelendez333 Год назад

Mmm yea but Steph ain’t have to play any of those teams this ring Boston arguably had the harder path and looked gassed at the end HOWEVER! Steph did beat all the young top up and coming talent and teams that will be getting rings and that’s arguably more impressive because the league is so much more than just a top heavy league now

@judyclarkson5887 Год назад

Now he's *arguably* top 10, *definitely* top 15. But if he happens to win one more, he's *definitely* top 10. It's that simple

@WayneWilcots Год назад

Nah to be fair you talked down this era on the “teaming up and signing minimums” (which I understand) then brushed pass him benefiting. Literally no one was beating KD steph Klay Draymond in the finals. NO ONE EVER. They were selfless played good enough defense and obviously had lethal weapons 1-5 (wiseman) with that being said you gotta take away the two rings he got with KD. So Steph has two and we will see if he can win 3 more lol

@shivumagarwal Год назад

@GG GG Bron never beat a healthy Steph Curry so your point is invalid 😘

@teddricksmith3699 Год назад

@@shivumagarwalcavs 2016

@lloydprice3552 Год назад

I’m a Steph fan, but they both are great. Do people realize that since 2011, last year was the only year that the Finals didn’t feature LeBron or Steph. Why is Toine Walker dismissing Steph like he’s average. He has No objectivity, because he said no matter what Steph does. No objectivity.

@Davidm-ou5mo Год назад

he saying steph is not on bron level

@blackjesus2082 Год назад

@@Davidm-ou5mo and he definitely right

@phuynh Год назад

2021 finals no Lebron or Steph

@judyclarkson5887 Год назад

@@Davidm-ou5mo There'll be such discussion *IF* Steph wins more than Bron. Whether you like it or not.

@Senza_1 Год назад

Steph isnt even close to Lebron. Any kind of argument that tries to insinuate so is absolutely absurd.

@justinsugay1149 Год назад

Broussard showed the actual ability to be analytical. That's what makes him the easiest to listen to.

@solo26sky Год назад

0:26 Nicks face that we’re even having this conversation 😆

@asoldierstwocentsrawuncut9611 Год назад

So if Steph finishes with 7 titles and 4FMVPS, Nick will put him ahead of Lebron but Jordan having 6 titles and 6 FMVPS doesn’t put him ahead of Lebron?? 🤔 How does that even make sense?

@15kearrap Год назад

I agree

@sportstalkonly1442 6 месяцев назад

If he did that he'd be over jordan and lebron.

@sportstalkonly1442 6 месяцев назад

Yea because Jordan wasn't the better player. And he played weaker competition

@LoftyXsWaGX34 Год назад

“IF HE GETS SEVEN!!!!!!” 😂😂😂😂

@shawnchia3611 Год назад

frankly, if curry really can get 7 rings and is the best player for those 3, ill put him over Lebron even tho its obvious Lebron is the more complete and dominant player individually

@Commentsofthemonth Год назад

@@shawnchia3611 its not obvious he’s not. Curry is so good these morons are claiming Steph has to get 3 more titles than Lebron to be better? That’s foul. Curry is more complete he plays better D than Lebron, he plays on the ball and he’s off the ball and don’t don’t need to bandwagon franchises too to get 4 rings.

@youraverage90sguys7 Год назад

@@Commentsofthemonth plays better defense than bron 😂😂🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡

@tylerwest3161 Год назад

@@Commentsofthemonth bro stay off the drugs

@tylerwest3161 Год назад

@@youraverage90sguys7 yeah he bugging for that

@AllBackends Год назад

This isn’t even a conversation

@jeromeperry5472 Год назад

I'm tried of yall comparing MJ & LeBron when they never played against each other.

@TheUncannyOne Год назад

WALKER BE HATING ON STEPH! HE HATE LIGHTSKIN DUDES 😂🤦🏾‍♂️

@brandoncrockett9266 Год назад

I know that Antoine Walker did it at the highest level, and has forgotten more about that life than I will ever know, but hearing someone of his caliber basketball-wise speak so dismissively about one of the greatest to ever do it just…doesn’t sit well with me.

@camdonking1919 Год назад

hes so clearly biased

@jsmooth8655 Год назад

Nah, we’re talking about top 10 all time. Literally since the beginning of the sport. Steph should be top 15 now probably closer to 10, but he’s not in that stratosphere

@brandoncrockett9266 Год назад

@@jsmooth8655 He’s top 10 for me. I don’t see 11 guys in NBA history definitively better or more accomplished than him. Steph gets penalized because he’s a 6’3”, 200 lb point guard and his dominance confuses people. He’s not supposed to be what he is. But that’s part of what makes him revolutionary. It’s just amusing to me how, now that he’s done the one thing so many said he couldn’t do, there are still those in serious denial.

@TheBlackestKnight21 Год назад

@@brandoncrockett9266 that’s the point, don’t get it twisted steph is 9-12 range but and kobe and lebron and others were just far better players than him. 4 rings but 1 FMVP? Did lebron ever play w a player better than him to get those accomplishments? Lebron carried a far worse team in his first stint in cleveland to multiple ECF and a finals and The 1 year steph had a awful team they miss the playoffs. Steph is an all time great but to put him on LEBRON level when he’s had a far better organization and team built around him is insane to compare.

@Travsice Год назад

Some of the worst "analyst" on television are recent players. But so many ppl wanna talk about how you can't talk about it if you didn't play it. Lmao it's funny to me

@limpsnips8876 Год назад

Man we’ve seen some great players, BIRD, MAGIC, KOBE, SHAQ, CURRY, DUNCAN, KD, ETC, but the fact of the matter is that both MJ and Lebron dominated the sport at a level that none of these other guys can even touch. They’re both the GOAT. Two different eras. Complete and utter domination. It’s really just who you personally like more.

@camdonking1919 Год назад

i woulndt say dominated. lebron lost more finals than he's won

@limpsnips8876 Год назад

@@camdonking1919 he’d have two more chips if KD didn’t join a 73-9 team and create the greatest super team ever assembled. Lost 1 game TOTAL in 2017 playoffs. Swept the 2018 finals. KD Warriors were in a league of their own. Y’all can’t forget that. MJ never played a team like that. That’s just facts.

@johnwick8516 Год назад

@@camdonking1919 yes but when you had context this argument is dumb ! We was the best player in this finals most of time when he lost ! Stop being dunb on purpose to make your argument !

@taraatkins4823 Год назад

Kobe won 5 rings in 10 years that's dominant and when he wasn't winning he was setting records for most consecutive 40 point games most consecutive 35 point games most consecutive 30 point games along with dropping 81 along with a record of 27-14 in the playoffs vs teams with 50 wins or more vs LeBron record of 10-10. Kobe is the example of dominant

@nathanmulchandani2869 Год назад

@@camdonking1919 if that’s the case then for Mike was a loser 9 out of the 15 seasons he played. If you’re only dominant 40% of the time then are you really dominant? See how stupid that sounds

@louisreyes-layne5008 Год назад

One of the things common among legends is that they all have an era named after them. We are currently in the Steph Curry era and have been for quite sometime now.

@samiosman7881 Год назад

This segment was amazing!!! Very funny and entertaining!

@folkscrazyouthere3076 Год назад

Chris just proved everyones point lol If Curry wins 7 rings and 3 to 4 finals MVPs and you still say he isn't better than Jordan or Lebron. That's the type of Bias stuff that irritates people suddenly rings wouldn't matter because He would have more than MJ is what Chris is saying . Chris wants to be apart of Michael Jordans media Entourage so bad lol

@phillipgoat00 Год назад

For me Bron and curry are at the same level now, if curry wins 5, then he jumps one and the conversation will be who's better Jordan or Curry, if he wins 6 or 7 we're getting into Tom Brady's territory. Which won't happen because of free agency, but funny idea tho.

@jaust9077 Год назад

Chris has never just made the rings argument. Only Skip makes that argument in the major media. It's a combination of things that in my opinion make MJ the GOAT. The winning is just part of the equation. MJ has more MVPS(5-4-in 7 less full seasons played), finals mvps(6-4), titles(6-4), DPOY's(1-0), scoring titles(10-1), steals titles(3-0), PPG, FT%, PPG in playoffs. Lebron is 2nd on my list behind him but he is hurt by a couple things(that awful Mavs series), and his free throw shooting in clutch situations.

@youtuber_00786 Год назад

@@phillipgoat00 People will still diminish Curry's 2 rings with KD for being a superteam. But for some reason, Brady with arguably the best offensive weapons ever assembled and a top 10 defense gets a pass with that 7th ring. I don't think the difference between 6 and 7 is much when you have players from various sports with more (Russell with 11 nba titles, Richard with 11 stanley cups).

@diegochavez6203 Год назад

Because he isn't he's always had 4-5 all stars that okay really good D out him on an average team dude never wins anything. He's a great shooter that's it .

@emericas9 Год назад

@@phillipgoat00 u don’t know basketball lol

@PaulMcGillTV Год назад

It has always been Steph vs. LeFraud. Curry is the only one who challenged LeFraud legacy and popularity. LeFraud had to change teams while Steph stayed with the same team and yes that matters. Steph changed the game. LeFraud took short cuts to solidify his brand.

@kalanievans2341 Год назад

We actually dont know if you can build a championship team around lebron because its never happened! All he's ever done is put together super teams.

@familychannel7050 Год назад

Lmao

@denimjeg Год назад

U should delete this comment

@jaydot4956 Год назад

Yeah because the first 7 years of Lebrons career was wasted on the cavs who failed to put a championship roster around Lebron. Even with that being said he still dragged a bunch of bums to the finals.

@8mathdaddy Год назад

If they say Kobe is a duplicate of Jordan, how come Kobe is not the second best player ever instead of Lebron?

@princeflip7622 Год назад

Thank you

@twodeepupyours508 Год назад

MJ doesn't need any help with the 🐐 debate. Everybody knows MJ is the 🐐 Some people, like only a couple people, try to say MJ ain't the goat. Only a couple people

@onidtubes Год назад

Nick is worried it's going to be a Curry-Lebron debate no longer a MJ-Lebron debate.

@teresa-oj9rq Год назад

How? Rings ain't it.

@onidtubes Год назад

@@teresa-oj9rq It will be, especially the fact that Curry is 3-1 versus Lebron. I bet you when if he wins his 5th, Curry fans will be a nightmare for Lebron fans 🤣

@5280AcoGs Год назад

That was a slick upper cut Nick wright through at Chris broussards take at the end of the segment 😂

@IconicUniverse4L Год назад

Nick, Michael was averaging 32/6/5 then in the playoffs of 1993 he averaged 35/6/6 to cap off a 3 peat which Lebron still hasn’t done. You don’t do research😂

@mr.r1622 Год назад

LeBron is the ONLY player to average a triple double in the NBA finals the ONLY player to lead EVERY player in EVERY major statistical category on BOTH teams in the finals ....you don't do research 😂😂😂😂😂😂🖕

@santosonly7 Год назад

It Jordan was limited to doing that only with Pippen. Without him Jordan couldn’t make it out of the 2nd round. This is such a fact that though Jordan signed a bunch of one year contracts, to keep,winning he kept resigning with Pippen. WHENEVER Jordan played without Pippen, relative to the finals, Jordan couldn’t even qualify for the Finals much less play in them and win. Lebron on the other hand is not limited in such a way. Bron has won a ring on EVERY team he’s played for and in both conferences. Something Jordan was not able to do.

@jamarjackson6745 Год назад

Lol you really didn’t grasp what he was talkin about?

@IconicUniverse4L Год назад

@@santosonly7 same with every star who won, Kobe didn’t win without shaq or gasol, Bron never won without dwade, Bosh then kyrie and love, now he can’t win without AD. Everyone needs someone as a partner. The bulls drafted Scottie it’s not like he was a star and they traded for him

@IconicUniverse4L Год назад

@@jamarjackson6745 I did, my answer is the same wassup

@sjsupa Год назад

Nick is rewriting history again. When Jordan got his 3 rings, he was not consensus goat. People was debating at the time among Jordan, Kareen and Magic. When he got his 5th, there was not much argument anymore.

@YungLanxx Год назад

Who cares he should’ve been consensus GOAT at the time tbh, Jordan was arguably the best player in the league from his 3rd season but because of politics we have to wait for team accolades and success to be logical about judging these players individually? That’s weird. As for Lebron he should be in the GOAT debate based on his individual production throughout his career instead of sticking to politically correct nonsense like mainly judging players off of how many rings they have. We wouldn’t have had Lebron on Miami or KD on the Warriors as well as all this player movement if it wasn’t for those stupid narratives either…

@18brandon92 Год назад

@@YungLanxx yes because the list is based on legacy, not talent or dominance in a vacuum. LeBron is not top 3 in terms of pure basketball. Just like Durant is not 12th or 15th in terms of pure basketball.

@18brandon92 Год назад

@UCpwOfs8DLpHtmHzkKE1Sb8A he has taken an easier path and done worse. He never went up 3-1 on the warriors like KD, yet benefitted from the Draymond suspension that should’ve happened during the KD series when he was kicking Adams in the nuts on multiple occasions. He went 1-8 against the KD Warriors that were about to get smacked 4-2 by the CP3 Rockets before CP3 went down and missed games 6-7. LeBron should’ve been the GOAT, but has failed enough times to be pushed out of the MJ discussion and is a longevity 2nd tier “GOAT” like Kareem. Went against superior competition? He had superior teammates as well. MJ could have easily lost against MVP Barkley or MVP Malone and blamed Scottie or Horace or Rodman. MJ could have easily afforded 1 meltdown in the finals. It simply didn’t happen. It’s simple. If LeBron lowered his shoulder and/or stiff armed his way to the paint at the end of games like he does for 3 1/2 quarters, he’d be the GOAT. He’s taller than Jordan. He’s faster than Jordan. He’s more durable than Jordan. He should have the most FT attempts in the 4th quarter in Finals history, but he doesn’t because he stops being a top 5 player at the end of games. So now it’s tainted to the point where the narrative is becoming more longevity based, which Kareem has already done.

@KleinpeterHank Год назад

He even contradicted himself from what he thought a few years ago. He argued that Lebron could be argued over Jordan cause when Jordan got 3 allegedly people called him the greatest. Nick Wrong telling so many lies he can’t keep ‘em straight.

@khalxd1991 Год назад

@@18brandon92 lol name three players who are better then Lebron in the key areas scoring passing/playmaking defence rebounding.

@FishLoaves Год назад

Players who was mediocre at best trying to say Steph ain't top 10.

@williesmith7148 Год назад

If he top ten who you replacing him with

@SirGenesis206 Год назад

This is the type of conversation you “stir up” when the only major sport being played is baseball.

@munir9527 Год назад

Jordan just has a greater resume than James 5 MVPs, 6 FMVPs, 6 Titles, 10 scoring titles, etc.

@reedcylear9404 Год назад

In a less talented era soo

@kevben706 Год назад

Yeah in the 90s lol

@johnjones528 Год назад

Jordan also has better advanced metrics and classic 8 stats as well.

@AuburnFanSince2010 Год назад

Imagine if Hakeem and Karl Malone teamed up in their prime. That's what KD and Steph did. The 2nd and 3rd best players teamed up to stop the best player in the league.

@gumballwaterson1957 Год назад

20 years from now, no one except "old heads" will remember that. Just like no one talks about Moses Malone teaming up with Dr. J. No one talks about how the Lakers got lucky enough draft Magic when the had Kareem. No one cares about Wilt actually playing with other HOFers. Nuance gets lost in time.

@everardoalvarez1061 Год назад

So did lebron d wade and bosh

@ryedye335 Год назад

fax

@ryedye335 Год назад

@@everardoalvarez1061 bosh was maybe a top 30 player lol, and wade fell off quick

@youtuber_00786 Год назад

@@everardoalvarez1061 thank you. Lebron fanboys won't mention he joined another top 3 player and top 15-20 player. He choked hard against the Mavs. Imagine KD or Steph pulling a 2011 Lebron and losing one of those finals. Lebron not getting 3 or 4 rings with a superstar Heat team is on him and hurts his GOAT case immensely.

@dylanreynolds62 Год назад

Steph Curry revolutionized the game on the court. Lebron revolutionized the game off the court in terms of taking control of your career.

@rollandcurtis874 Год назад

And Michael Jordan revolutionized the game both on and off the court, thus Michael Jordan is head and shoulders better than both Steph and LeBron and both guys know that the world to this day still has never seen anybody like Michael freakin’ Jordan aka The GOAT!

@GreatMollyHatchet Год назад

@@rollandcurtis874 🤡 Head and shoulders?

@dylanreynolds62 Год назад

@@rollandcurtis874 I completely agree. I was just stating that in the context of today. MJ is the goat. He is the standard of greatness. He is the true NBA logo over Jerry West.

@Alart28 Год назад

Chris been killin' Nick, and Rob ...I mean more than usual lately 😂😂🤣

@kingdavid4380 Год назад

Lebron ICED game 7 with a free throw? I think Kyrie's 3pointer iced it. Nick needs a CAT scan lol

@layishittu8217 Год назад

I think it helps lebron tbh it would've had 2 more ring if KD didn't got to the warriors or He lost to arguably the best team of all time top 2 three-point shooters of all time and one of the best scores of all time KD. With a great defensive mind in draymond and an amazing back-office and coaching staff.

@ryandavis6290 Год назад

Serious question. How do you know he would’ve had 2 more rings if KD didn’t go there?

@DillonDees Год назад

@@ryandavis6290 because when healthy the Cavs proved they were better than the Warriors.

@ryandavis6290 Год назад

@@DillonDees how did they prove that? By beating them in a 7 game series by single digits. I’m not even gonna take into account all the circumstances that surrounded that finals. There is nothing that indicates that either team was so much better than the other that it was a forgone conclusion who would have won. If the warriors and cavs are both healthy and have all there players the whole series in 2017. It’s anyone’s series.

@erikpuka2627 Год назад

@@DillonDees but if Bron didn't join the Heat - he 'd have 0. He 'd be a skinny Karl Malone with sone MVPs and some high all time scoring rankd

@DillonDees Год назад

@@erikpuka2627 I mean, he weighed more than Karl Malone for most of his career and they are roughly the same height so I’m a little confused about the “skinny” part lol. And how shocking, a good team is needed to win in a team sport, crazy stuff there lol.

@JK-hj7cf Год назад

LePrincess needs to jump teams, cry when looses and trade his team to try and win Curry changed the game the last 3 decades with his offensive, LePrincess changed the game with jumping teams and trading players when looses

@actionjackson8689 Год назад

Also, people don't realize his team jumping caused KD to go to the Warriors, so there's that too...

@kyletucker3811 Год назад

"Dog doth protest too much, hit dogs holla."" 🤣🤣🤣

@obedgutierrez3954 Год назад

The real question they should be debating is we're. Do the warriors rank on the greatest teams of all time

@The-ts9yv Год назад

I like how no one is seriously arguing this and they just need an excuse to talk Lebron GOAT case

@two-literbowls5195 Год назад

Have you ever met a Steph Curry fan? They are definitely arguing this.

@Traylormade_Chief Год назад

@@two-literbowls5195 I was jus coming here to say this but u beat me to it

@anabolicchicken5972 Год назад

Yeah I am a warriors fan and I'd say the debate atm is LBJ vs Curry not LBJ vs Jordan. Jordan is in his own as GOAT and LBJ doesn't challenge imo. I'd say most #30 and GSW fans think the same. Not here to debate it because its not worth time but just saying people are definitely having this debate

@two-literbowls5195 Год назад

@@anabolicchicken5972 LeBron is closer to Jordan than Steph is to LeBron. Which is to say not very close.

@anabolicchicken5972 Год назад

@@two-literbowls5195 you know that part when I said I'm not debating it because its not worth it? Yeah maybe read that again. Just giving an example of yes this is what people think

@nbatalk714 Год назад

Twan and Nick is right tho .. and mj did get the statue he only had 3 rings at the time, goal post always gets moved .. gil and tmac said it the mj media would never put nobody above mj no matter wat- same way chris said if curry gets 7 he still wont put him above mj when in all reality for curry to pull that off is goatish

@Says_me Год назад

The statue is irrelevant. It was put up in Chicago. Of course they did that. Citing a the statute is a distraction.

@nbatalk714 Год назад

@@Says_me the statue said goat .. imagine they had a lebron statue wit goat wen bron got 3 titles would it be irrelevant? I dont think so everybody would go crazy

@ryedye335 Год назад

fax

@ursula3438 Год назад

MJ was seen as the GOAT on eye test alone by a lot of fans before he even won his first chip. People were just in awe of how beautiful he made the game look.

@oldheadperspective Год назад

@@nbatalk714 he didn’t have a statue is just had a banner on the arena you could see from Mars

@timothybrooklyn3496 Год назад

Kobe better than LeBron anyway but Steph can become better than LeBron if he keeps winning and win more than LeBron

@tigerscott5929 Год назад

Explain to us why Kobe is better than LeBron as a player

@timothybrooklyn3496 Год назад

@@tigerscott5929 He just has the killer instinct and will to win and more skilled and his game looks better than LeBron and he's more of a leader he just is I can go on and on but that's My opinion and you have yours but both players are great but if you ask me who I rather have on my team I'm picking Kobe everytime

@tigerscott5929 Год назад

@@timothybrooklyn3496 I don’t agree at all about him being more skilled and having a better looking game. I loved watching Kobe growing up and I have him in my top 5. But it’s just not true that he was more skilled or talented than LeBron. Kobe had the work ethic and the will to win. I’ll agree to that. But to act like LeBron doesn’t have the will to win either is a little off. And to act like LeBron isn’t the better overall player with a game and a skill set that we’ve never seen before and that we’ll likely never see again is ridiculous. The leadership aspect is up for debate but I wouldn’t mind anyone arguing for either person. But if I’m asked to select the better overall player for my team, someone with the more complete package and someone who can literally do anything you ask him to, it’s obviously LeBron. Kobe had scoring on LeBron but that’s really about it as far as game. LeBron is a better rebounder, passer, and he’s more efficient.

@timothybrooklyn3496 Год назад

@@tigerscott5929 Is his defense better? Is he more reliable in the clutch? I definitely don't believe he's more skilled than Kobe. But I'm not a LeBron hater he's a great player I just don't believe he better than a few players

@Says_me Год назад

Championships are a part of the GOAT factor… only Skip beats the 6 chips and 6 fMVPs exclusively. Most others say the it’s those things AND accolades… AND per game stats… AND per game metrics / analytics… AND clutch performances… AND eye test, and, and, and. Nick suffers from recency bias. It’s what he saw, so it’s all he really knows. He wants to say he was there and saw the best ever in real time.

@dheerajsah Год назад

It absolutely does, GOAT means complete dominance, if you remember Jordan's retirement speech, he said off course they don't want me to retire because they want to get past me, but let me remind you they could never get past me, it was complete Bulls dominance during that period. Curry is challenging LeBron's dominance and is on at par with him, there was no other superstar comparable during MJ's dominance.... it's not even an argument anymore

@limpsnips8876 Год назад

Lebron would have two more titles if KD didn’t go and join a 73-9 team and create the greatest super team ever assembled. The warriors lost 1 game TOTAL in the 2017 playoffs. Swept the 2018 finals. Jordan never had to contend with a team like that. I think they’re both the GOAT, just giving you some perspective.

@ceez4781 Год назад

@@limpsnips8876 should've, would've, could've MJ could have had 2 more if he didn't retire the first time but hey it didn't happen

@TopTierHater Год назад

@@ceez4781 Not true. Hakeem is 6-1 against MJ and the Bulls had no one to stop him. There’s no guarantee that Bulls beat Rockets in 94 & 95even if they had Jordan. Also, MJ lost to Shaq & Penny in the 95 playoffs but ppl act like it never happened

@Maddogg500 Год назад

@@limpsnips8876 he wouldnt and without the nba reff interference he would have won the one in cleveland or the one in maimi

@simple45679 Год назад

@@limpsnips8876 Lebron would have 0 if he didn't go team hopping

@Raven.Bloodrot Год назад

Moral of the story, Steph go win 7 XD

@ruelpile Год назад

If you took out Curry and replaced him with Lebron on the 2021-22 Warriors team, I don't think they end up winning the Championship this year. I think a Lebron lead Warriors team would have lost to the Grizzlies or the Mavericks.

@lvanb6111 Год назад

I loved this debate, well done you all.

@asieduy Год назад

The "he won 5 rings on LeBron's watch" argument is compelling but it's gonna be similar to the Kobe argument. Kobe has 5 but most people still have LeBron ahead of him.

@nasmaxfit Год назад

Expect for most of profetional basketball players who played against both of them

@asieduy Год назад

@@nasmaxfit I'll take the facts over opinions any day. NBA players are notorious for over valuing scorers. They like guys with pretty footwork and jumpers over guys like LeBron and Giannis who use their physical abilities more. Doesn't matter that those guys are way more efficient in the way they score. And don't get me started on passing ability, rebounding and defense. Those are complete afterthoughts.

@hijodejames Год назад

@@asieduy The "assassins"

@coolhandluke3223 Год назад

Yeah but Kobe didn’t win all those rings with Lebron the “greatest player” in the league and some people argue in the world was playing. While MJ never had a team or player win multiple championships and form form a dynasty while he was reigning terror on the league; Detroit was a mini dynasty in his come up years while his team was also lacking and Houston won 2 while he was playing baseball and grieving but neither one can compare to what Steph and the Warriors have been able to do while Lebron is trying to do the same in terms of winning!

@rexflex7548 Год назад

@@coolhandluke3223 I can’t keep giving Michael Jordan credit for eight championships when he decided to play baseball like Bo Jackson And Sanders lol … if you don’t play you don’t play The Rockets won facts

@ahamarwahli5856 Год назад

Nick about to cry 😢

@Ma1n033 Год назад

Thank you Ant!!! Somebody with conviction in their statement

@CHRISpeDophELIA Год назад

Lmao there’s nothing that brings me more joy than watching Wildes completely put Nick in his place.

@danebalazs708 Год назад

Antoine: “I’m not gonna have this conversation comparing Lebron and steph”…….. goes on and has a conversation about it

@hershelpogue1745 Год назад

It hurts him now not later, this man is winning on LeBron James watch, and he's doing this with lesser talent than LeBron James had. It is impressive on all fronts. Stephen Curry also is a little man in a big man's game and he has out performed his contemporaries. It is allot to consider, and LeBron James ranking shouldn't be that high, when a contemporary has the same amount of rings and is quite likely to succeed him in titles. It must be given high regards and consideration.

@dparks2856 Год назад

So lebrons watch is his whole career? Mjs watch is only the 6 years he won?

@twodeepupyours508 Год назад

The media lost it's way when they started talking about "WHAT IF" instead of reporting on WHAT IS

@MatteoRuberto Год назад

That’s because they really can’t talk basketball

@esimms5101 Год назад

The issue is Lebron isnt in the convo with MJ or Steph, Magic or Bird as Championship Team Leaders. The problem is Lebron leap frogged a lot of players when he needed 2 allstars to win rings and easy eastern conference and if his finals opposition was a better TEAM he gets excuses. Lebron is a great player. His legacy is durability and longevity NOT being a CHAMPION.

@zinjgreen3398 Год назад

oFc, if Lebron was Steph he would have trade himself away from GSW after that KD and Klay's injury

@cldaniels7632 Год назад

Not in the conversation?! You just described literally every person who has ever won multiple titles. It baffles me that people say that LBJ needed two other all-stars, but everyone else in history needed at least two other all-stars to do the same thing. You don't win more than one title without consistent all-stars. Ever. And I don't know who you're talking about as far excuses, but LBJ is far and away the most scrutinized player in history.

@serialsbabydaddy8787 Год назад

@@cldaniels7632 facts

@focuz4899 Год назад

Exactly! MJ, Pippen, and Rodman are 3 Hall of Famers that played together. Didn't Steph meet with KD after getting smashed by the G.O.A.T.

@jesuschristisgod3970 Год назад

Love this show. Always get a great laugh.Antoine Walker is great addition, he is a natural critic.

@vincentminott3250 Год назад

He's delusional big time

@Thedeso18 Год назад

The narrative that “no matter what Steph does he can’t be in the same sentence as Lebron.” IS CRAZY! He could def pass lebron if he keeps winning and adding accolades he can def pass Lebron.

@GreatImmortal91 Год назад

Steph will never be a good as player as Lebron. Lebron is a better basketball player. The warriors have always had the better team WHEN HEALTHY.

@ryedye335 Год назад

he has to pass Mj first

@Adam-zy9fv Год назад

@@GreatImmortal91 we’re not talking about peak, we’re talking about careers

@khalxd1991 Год назад

Do you have eyes ? Can you watch Steph or look at the impact on their teams and tell me Curry has ever been in lebrons tier ? Is Curry going to start winning defensive teams at 35? Just no stop embarrassing yourself stephew

@williedoyle8331 Год назад

No all defensive teams

@reaganh.2953 Год назад

speaking of engravings, who got 'Chosen 1' LITERALLY tatooed on their body?

@brianchu8147 Год назад

Nick: “I’m open-minded!” Also Nick: “Steph will never get to another finals because of Andrew Wiggins!” 😂

@youtuber_00786 Год назад

Call him out!!

@rish5626 Год назад

Curry will never be ahead of Bron ever stop this

@anonymoussec5441 Год назад

if he wins 6, oh yes he’s ahead of Lebron!

@jasongroves8515 Год назад

@@anonymoussec5441 nah

@gringoboy701 Год назад

This is his very first finals of Curry being the best player on the floor. How are you gonna be better vs Lebron that always outplayed him every time they met in the Finals and half the time they met, Curry wasn't even the best player on his own team?

@te-co_debarge Год назад

@@anonymoussec5441 magic & Kobe got 5 & they not above him…. Russell has 11 & he not above Lebron

@Coachjay778 Год назад

If curry wins 6 hes ahead of Lebron I’m sorry

@hk2737 Год назад

Imagine if MJ had an adversary during his era that netted as many championships as him - ppl would be criticizing him endlessly and questioning his dominance. Steph Curry and the Warriors basically cemented MJ as the GOAT because they ate during the 'Lebron Era' while Jordan basically dominated an entire decade on his own. This year's championship basically proves that Draymond Green's suspension in Game 5 of 2016 was the difference maker which would've put Curry with 5 rings while leaving Lebron with 3.

@dominiquerobinson8888 Год назад

That's the point people aren't grasping. Cause what would we say if IT and the pistons won 5 championships in the late 80's to mid 90's, with Jordan winning like 3. We may not have IT above Jordan but in 2022 that definitly becomes a topic we're debating.

@khalxd1991 Год назад

Magic had 5 , bird and it had more when they were relavant. Mj only started winning after these guys peaked? So what is your point exactly??? They won more then him while they played.

@dominiquerobinson8888 Год назад

@@khalxd1991 That’d be the equivalent of Lebron and Duncan. Duncan beat Lebron and had more rings similar to how Bird did.

@bigboner23 Год назад

MJ didn’t play 20 seasons. Different eras and Steph’s had the far superior teams outside of 2015

@seriustraco Год назад

The argument falls aprt when your realize jordan started his career in 1984, not 1991. The Celtics, Lakers and Piston all ATE when Jordan was in the league

@RaonakDM Год назад

Steph carved his own goat argument. He is a great that is unlike all other greats.

@seanswinton6242 Год назад

True. He is the greatest basketball player of ordinary height.

@madratter Год назад

That right there was actually real funny stuff

@Dober87g Год назад

Respectfully - The argument for Lebron - Is he the GOAT? Respectfully - The argument for Steph - is he top 10? Two different arguments.

@AllBackends Год назад

simple way to put it

@darrellhardy90 Год назад

Lebron goat argument been over with, he already lost that debate

@Raven.Bloodrot Год назад

@@darrellhardy90 he needs one more title before he's considered the goat by me.

@historianofmanythings4294 Год назад

Even then I still struggle to put curry in my top 10. Most of the guys who are consensus top 10 players are all either elite or borderline elite defensive players too (except magic but he could play many positions). Steph is not a great defender at all and small.

@bayodaman Год назад

Facts like why is this even a convo lol

@keithballard5395 Год назад

Steph did it on his own team. LeBron did it on everybody else's team. That's the difference, nobody wants to play for ol' James anymore. The media circus that surrounds him, people want to play with "easy going" Steph. LeBron is about Hollywood, one man show. Steph is about Basketball an team work.

@b.vanguard Год назад

More difficult to win with a variety of player combinations than it is to win with the team you’ve played on your whole life. Chemistry is not guaranteed unless you’re great.

@noloc4246 Год назад

Well I think it's an interesting subject, especially as it was brought up to begin with? I think the conversation is going to be getting started in that trajectory. You can't compare the positions, or the power, though the accomplishments and the way in which they're achieved can definitely be something that can be spoken about. We're talking four rings now in 8 years, and Steph looks great still. Who's going to really completely challenge and knock them off in the west next year? The East is going to be wide open, with everybody healthy, on all the previous teams that played this year as well. Giannis will definitely have something to say with Middleton healthy and anyone else they add during the offseason, etc etc. Miami Heat will surely do something to help out Jimmy as best they can. Philadelphia absolutely has to make a hard move this upcoming season for obvious reasons. It's not going to be a given that Boston will not only be there, take the whole thing as well? Great take on a very possible future outcome.

@stevendavis5095 Год назад

Nick really be killing the old guard debate and it’s hilarious. Like every time lmao. Take who you’re gonna take but yea lmao

@davidjackson2477 Год назад

Nobody mentions that the 95% (could even be a higher percentage) of the top 75 NBA players in history, did NOT go changing teams chasing rings! That should factor into the GOAT conversation. If LBJ never left Cleveland and they built a championship team like MJ's Chicago/ SC's GS from the ground up with multiple championships, that's where the debate would be a worthy conversation.

@TyroneNBAFan Год назад

Yes they did. Kareem, Wilt, Shaq, 3 of the top 10 all time, all played for and won rings in multiple locations. Dr. J, Moses Malone, Oscar Robertson and Kevin Durant are top 15-20 players who have moved around and won rings. LeBron was an extreme case and really took control of his career, but he isn't some outlier as far as winning rings in different locations. My guess is nearly half of the top 75 have won rings on a team they weren't drafted to.

@theBlackBearrrr Год назад

Yeah find a new talking point. Plenty of players have played for multiple teams and won. To act like him winning in many situations hurts him is nonsense. Please find a new talking point.

@theBlackBearrrr Год назад

Also, didn't Kobe request a trade 3 seasons after winning a championship in LA? he only rescinded that offer when Pau Gasol was essentially handed Pau Gasol for nothing. What about him?

@thelight3547 Год назад

Facts. People act like LeBrons move was the weakest in nba history before KD made his love. Owners was mad sending memes to David stern. Great players was saying he didn’t wanna compete.

@chajonerick7689 Год назад

@@theBlackBearrrr if lebron doesn't leave Cleveland the cavs don't draft kyrie

@xpaullemusic9885 Год назад

How is it ok for LBJ to be less achieved than MJ and be the “Goat” but not Curry over LBJ? yall literally just like LBJ more, there is no logic otherwise

@xpaullemusic9885 Год назад

If im not mistaken people had LBJ over MJ after his second in Miami. There is no logic its just that you like LBJ. Curry beat LBJ 3 times, the time he lost it took heroic efforts to beat him with another super star by 4. Like be real!

@johnwick8516 Год назад

@@xpaullemusic9885 nobody had Lebron over MJ back then. Lebron started to make is entry in the GOAT convo after 2016.

@johnwick8516 Год назад

Lebron is not “less achieved” than MJ. You can just look at rings and be done with it but you would put all the context aside. Context is what complete the story ! There is a reason why Lebron’s 2016 ring is more important than let’s say his second one with Miami ! Context.

@erikpuka2627 Год назад

@@johnwick8516 Lebron never carried a team to a championship. Never. Not even close. Never like Kawhi in 2019 or Jordan everytime or Shaq in 2000 or Wade in 2006 or Hakeem in 94 or Dirk in 2011 or Giannis in 2021. Most those guys WITHOUT A SUPERTEAM. Always on superteams BARELY outplaying and barely outscoring the 2nd option by like 2 ppg or sometimes even less like Pierce in 2008. Most he outscored his 2nd option was ny 6 in 2012 and thats it. Out of top 10 Finals MVPs that outscored their 2nd option the most in a finals series Lebron is nowhere to be found even in the top 30. Jordan got 5 of those in top 10 and his 6th one is 13th on that list (1991). Kobe got one in top 10, Hakeem, Wade, Rick Barry, Shaq got the no.1 , Steph even and Jordan got 5. Jordan had to do with HIS OWN SUCCESS way more than Bron had to do with his. OutScored Scottie once by 19 and once by 21. Least he ever outscored him was 11 on 11% better from the field. Thats their smallest margin. Thats lile Bron winning it with Ilgauskas as his 2nd option. Bron Always on big duos and trios barely outscoring the 2nd option and sometimes having a worse FG% and often playing worse defense. In 2011 (didn't win it) he himself turned into the 3rd option. All rings are not created equal. If we going to NITCPICK for the GOAT Arguement - lets nitpick all the way. If we going to nitpick Steph for his lack of finals MVPs - lets nitpick Lebron for barely winning them. There is a difference between carrying YOUR OWN Team and beaing the best player on a stacked team and sneaking by FMVPs. Btw in 2017 KD outscored Steph by +8.5 ppg (Best bron did was +5.9) and Steph this yrs finals by like 11.5. Both bigger "carry jobs" than Bron ever did. Lets nitpick all the way.

@johnwick8516 Год назад

Steph as won 3 rings against Lebron James. Yet with context you’ll know that in all those series Lebron was far better than Steph and in 2 of them Steph wasn’t even the best player on his team.

@chrisper3148 Год назад

Walker and allot of players like him are hating they are bigger stronger faster and still aren’t half the player Curry is

@acespittah Год назад

Preach

@phillipgoat00 Год назад

If steph wins 7 rings, I would put him ahead of tom brady lmfao. I don't think anyone will win 7 rings ever tho, because free agency is designed to stop that.