The first meeting - The White Queen - Episode 1 Preview - BBC One 

If you read the non fiction books about the war of the roses you will come to a different conclusion

what setting ?

But not as his Father

I thought one of them was executed by Richard III

Yeap. That was Richard Grey.

iLove PaulWesley I meant Richard Gray, Elizabeth Woodville's son by her first husband.

Nenis Guevara Gómez Yes, of course. I understand now.

Burnt Orange her daughter also went onto marry the son of the enemy and she became grandmother to a manwhore and great grandmother to one hell of a queen

Snaggle Toothed If you care so much about accuracy, take your lazy ass to the library and read a history BOOK. It is not the job of television to educate you. Television is there to ENTERTAIN you, you moron.

ACS402010 😂😂😂🤣 yeup. we have gotten way too used to being spoon fed information.

Darling, it seams the lazy one is you.

Carl Gustav Tessin Nah....lazy would be someone stupidly sitting around expecting to be educated by a dramatic television show meant strictly to entertain---in other words, someone like YOU. Crack a book open for a change. You might actually LEARN something. Dumb is not a good look for you.

Carl Gustav Tessin You didn't even bother to explain why she's lazy. Seems your the lazy one.

@benvolio mozart not really she gave birth to two strong heirs, the problem came in the form of Richard III and the lack of loyalty to his brothers family.

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While Richard III was not as evil as depicted in Tudor times, he was not the saint some modern authors depict him to be. He was pretty ruthless and had men executed without trial, including one of these boys about 20 years later. The two Princes disappeared under his watch, and there is absolutely no evidence they survived his reign. If they were murdered he most likely responsible. However, it is possible they died of natural causes, and because of the rumours Richard dared not let the public know they had died.

HE BLOODY KILL THOSE 2 BOYS!

The only thing certain about the Princes (One of them being the rightful Edward V) is that they were never seen again. Unless of course "Perkin Warbeck" was one of them having survived whatever took place in the Tower...

Who cares? What would you say about a WWII movie that had soldiers armed with swords, people using smartphones and driving modern vehicles and Hitler attacking Britain for the sole purpose of marrying the queen mother, all at the same time? you'd say it's nonsense, "It was not this way!" Well, imagine - that's how this production looks to a person who knows a bit about 15th century history and arts.

I'm a history teacher so I obviousley saw the flaws in this production. I know a lot about the Royal family through out history but my comment was clearly just to say this was a drama, not exactly fact based. Look at The Tudors one of the most popular shows and that was filled with mistakes. When its good to watch people don't care. That was the point I was making :)

keleigh hester exactly, that's why I hate the Tudors too :) such a bad taste.

keleigh hester it's also taking form a novel which is based on the history, so the show doesn't have to be historical accurate at all. As long as it follows the novel slightly...

People having to complain about little things all the time :) I enjoyed the novel and even more so the television programme!!

Aw man 😅😢

But this is the White Queen

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I agree, Max is very handsome.

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Denise Roeters thank you!!

Actually towards the end of Edward III reign English became dominant

ŁKS Łódź But not the language of law. It was only in the late 20th century when Latin was not a requirement for law

@@brontewcat still it's not French. Since statue of pleading (1362) languages of law were English and latin. Presence of latin is nothing strange as it was uniwersal language in middle ages

ŁKS Łódź I am not sure that you and I actually disagree. Edward III had a very long reign. When he became king and for most of reign French was the language used. However it is clear it did change during his reign because his grandson’s first language was English. So maybe I was incorrect in saying it was starting to change, and should have said it had changed. French apparently continued to be used by judges/lawyers (though it may not have been exclusively?) because Parliament under Richard III passed legislation to end the last vestiges of the use of French in the legal system. In fact there is something in the deep recesses of my memory about case reports sometimes being written in a mixture of languages until Richard III.

@@brontewcat well French stayed much longer in law than in common usage among nobles so you are propably not mistaken. When it comes to edward he was definetly bilingual

Nah...the only thing I've come to expect from a TV drama is entertainment, and this show and all the pertaining shows connected to it, delivered entertainment on a massive scale. Thus I went away happy.

With who? Thanks.

But they didn't speak French at this point

Templedelagloire um bruh this is not a documentary its a 21st century tv show. It is not supposed to be accurate ok Ps: im not trying to be rude im just tryin to support the show

Are you big mad or little mad?

Hell no

Abhinaya Mary Koshy Edward 4

Thomas grew up to be the marquess of Dorset and an ancestor to many of the British nobility including lady Jane grey. Richard was beheaded on the orders of Richard III, this is shown in the series.

Richard was executed. Thomas grew up and fathered many children, and died at the age of 48. He's a 17th great grandfather of mine, and likely an ancestor of a huge chunk of the western world's population, including yourself

@@michaelmichael8314 you sure? :o

@@Valjean96 the records in my family tree lead back to him through at least one line. However, can any of us really be sure? Who's to say there wasn't a false paternity at some point between then and now? An ancestor of mine could have had an affair and had a child with a man that wasn't her husband (the husband being a descendant of Thomas). Either way, Thomas is a direct ancestor of millions of people all throughout the world by this stage

@@michaelmichael8314 lol

this was based on novel novel itself pretty different than actual fact what you expecting ?

I think you are mixing up historical accuracy and material culture. Wolf hall is an interpretation of history, but the way the characters dress, the sets they stand in and the way they interact with each other is historical. @@1607Adi_Manz

totally agree

And I'm pretty new to the language of titles, but I'm pretty sure that as a married woman, she would have been identified by her husband's name, i.e. Lady John Grey, that is UNLESS her birth rank outstrips that of her husband's. But I checked and it did not. #EvenAnAmericanGotThisRight #DianaGabaldon #JohnGreyReference