The New MacBook Pro - M1 Max/Pro 

The performance is going to be off the charts

No way they pull of THAT on Battery but GG's if they do

I hope not

bruh

I hope they’re right

4 million subscribers, how!!! AMazing.

@@elmalloc he’s good at conveying these ideas to schmucks like me

I have seen many initial impressions videos but only dave talks about gpu charts in this details

Apple people be like it’s 200x more powerful then a top of the line desktop replacement gaming laptop or workstation.

I'm not sure who cares about comparing a new something processor to old abstract processor. We would see real thing like fps charts in modern games instead of those pretty illustrations. If the new m1 processor is a real thing of course. But now we cannot even be sure it can run at least some of modern games

Imagine M2 maturing the platform

Cant imagine anything more powerful than the new M1 Pro and Max, it feels almost surreal that a laptop is capable of such power with all of these features that come with it

yeaaa, but at the end it was coming with huge price tag.

@@marcin6386 Sounds about right to me. If people wanna spend less, they get less.

@@Racko. There will most likely be CPUs more powerful than the M1 Max’s CPU by next year, and it’s GPU is already beaten in performance by full-power rtx 3080. The real surreal reality will be if the M1 Max performs as well as apple claims, at only around 60 watts, which is unheard of in the laptop space. That’s the massive deal here. Not the performance.

I actually hope they are right, because this would be the first time I will support Apple regarding their pricing. It will be genuinely justified this time around.

@@atishsingh8926 the current m1 macbooks is reasonably priced imo, definitely way faster than any windows ultrabook counterpart

@@revandewaputra4239 now they are, and air is as well but they weren't always especially considering the keyboard issue, ports and other thermal issue. now their prices are justified for their performance

They already looked silly with the first M1 and it was half-baked, someone call 911, Intel and AMD are getting fucking destroyed

@@lilmoris1 lmao, soon to be nvidia too.

That's not really a fair statement. Amd doesn't have any comfort zone. They're literally fighting for their existence. Don't believe for a second they won't push with everything imaginable. Intel hasn't been in their comfort zone for quite some time now either. They're just far behind in process tech. But believe me, they're scrambling. No ones sitting idle atm. Nvidia are kinda sandbagging though.

@Caskay And how did you see his comments ? Lol

AMDs worst nightmare is about to become true

I don't think so, AMD's current 5800U was already better in MT performance then the M1, Intel's new Alder Lake mobile CPUs should also be better then the CPUs in the M1 Pro and M1 Max in every way. We have to rember that these M1s aren't going to compete with current AMD and Intel CPUs, they are competing with next gen Intel and AMD CPUs and those will be far better then what's currently on the market, Alder Lake U will have 6 performance cores and 8 efficiency cores while AMD's Zen 4 will go up to 16 cores on laptops if rumors are true. In GPUs we will have to see, these charts look like BS, but who knows, but even then the M1 iGPUs lack features like RT acceleration.

@@goncaloduarte4683 5800U is impressive. And I love that chip. But u being so over-confident thinking the M1 Max will be beaten so easily by alder lake is quite a poor way to react. By that time apple might already have the M2 closer to release.

He should have laid a current MBP13 on top for comparison since the new 14 is a similar footprint.

You know...! 😂

I was thinking the same thing when Apple was showing those charts. They were comparing the new Macbook Pro to the MSI GE76 and Razer Blade 17.

Eee

@@StevenEveral 15*

Exactly. Unf since most CAD packages can only be run through a VM (hopefully that changes soon) it's hard to offer any substantial metrics. HOWEVER, Apple's website does have comparison graphs for a CFD package, which is nice.

It is really difficult to find benchmarks even on Excel capabilities and it is THE most used business reporting software. Hardware Unboxed had their own "Big number crunch test", but I think thats it. People just run a bunch of synthetic tests that may or may not convert to real life performance.

@@GarrettBroadnax That’s my grief with these new machines. They’re powerful, efficient, and amazing but sometimes I need apps that run only on Windows, and since these machines no longer have a native way of switching to windows aka bootcamp it’s hard to buy them. I heard Apple are up to the task but Microsoft are the ones that need to make an ARM version of windows for it to work.

@@MikeCobweb This! I recently just had to buy a new Windows laptop even though I'd have preferred an M1 Macbook for site work where battery life is really useful. Alas some of the engineering apps I use will only run on Windows (and that barely sometimes). 😒

The problem is that most of youtubers/creators are self-referential, so they care only about video and photo editing. It's not so easy to find an opinion with a professional or technical eye.

Lol why would they lie. Also from pure engineering standpoint, if you have an architecture where everything is unified and don’t have too many gates to access each part like ram/processor, that is a recipe for success. Also the amount of transistors on that 5nm structure allows them to basically make something like a 32 core gpu small and blazing fast

I know right? The battery is amazing! 16-20 hours! And the screen is 2K which at that price point is unheard of! And M1 is just mwaah! I love my Air. First Mac I ever bought.

also the larger battery will be able to support a higher charge wattage.

Hopefully the wattage difference doesn’t impact performance between the two too much

I mean it makes sense the larger device can also support a higher TDP SOC.

Apple do actually state the 16 inch model is more capable than 14 inch one with the same component. In the "which chip is right for you" section of each model's configuration page, apple claims 5 streams of 8k ProRes 422 for the 14 inch, while 7 streams for the 16 inch.

btw the chart for m1max CPU tops wattage at 30w, and GPU tops at 60w, so combined it's about 100w for the chip alone, which the 96w supply that comes with the 14 inch model can't even match.

Are you talking about the RTX3080 mobile? Because that does not seem like it would be 15 Teraflops..

So does that mean gaming on a MacBook Pro ?

@@antoniojg-b8284 that's what their new video ads are signaling. The one for M1 Max highlights professional 3D rendering & playing video games. It's so bizarre seeing such an ad from them. I thought it was Razer marketing at first.

You have to be careful with that comparison because not all apps support M1. Blender is a great example, and a 3080 will annihilate the M1 Max (since M1 can only render with CPU). However, that might change in a few years once more apps start supporting M1. However, there are many apps that already support M1.

Zhong Ze, Apple actually just joined the Blender development fund the other day! They’ve submitted one commit about Metal support so I imagine it will be compatible soon enough. Very exciting times for Blender folks.

Small world, wasn’t expecting to see you here!

@Male Sensitivity True

@@Austin_Boath Lmfao Hi Scally, guess we both are geeking out over the new macs

@@Austin_Boath sup!!! 😉

@Male Sensitivity mkbhd only reads specs most of the time. Doesn’t really know how to deep dive into the tech inside laptops. Just look at his new macbook pro reaction video. He basically summed up what apple said. Dave went into a bit more detail which I like.

Hello Nathan

nice to see you here mr eucalyptus

Now can we get your perspective on the new MacBook Pro?

🤩🤩

Spray some Eucalyptus oil on these Macs

I mean just look at the die size

It’s really that good?!

@@abdurali8855 Coming from an M1 user, yes. Seems like an overkill at this point for the average user.

@@injecthd5252 sheesh, that’s pretty cool

@@injecthd5252 M1 Max just isn't for average users. They are not called MacBook Pro for no reason (at least those new ones) If you are an average user, 13" M1 Pro and Air are absolutely fine. easy as that!

@@abdurali8855 M1 is really really good for productivity. I'm a windows user but I didn't mind learning MacOS for the battery efficiency of this chip.

His excitement is the same to me when apple showed off their battery with the new iPhone 13s

Honestly Apple has been pretty truthful in their recent marketing mumbo jumbo

@@semahj Although these MacBooks, along side the iPad Mini 6 and the AirPods 3rd gen are the only devices worth purchasing from Apple. Everything else is skippable.

I'd be jumping too. Would be no use for me to buy a PC for high-end stuff except for games and a few random programs. I literally will force myself to get used to Mac OS if these graphs are true.

yeah i feel him, i am a windows fanboy. but these things blow anything windows out of the water. i don't think anyone understands the bittersweetness i feel when looking at these, just imagine if macos had just as many games available as windows. it would be end game laptop material BY A LANDSLIDE.

I never knew they had a place with such users I. The first place.😂 No “high end” user is hangingvtheir cap on Apple, all you favorite RU-vidrs have windows machine work flows #facts

@@Timeculture Yea I don't think anyone is denying the place of windows work flows. However, lots of users are increasingly streamlining into single ecosystems, for a lot of non-specialized users who still need high end performance, this will suffice. Generally any pressure on competitors is a good thing

That's cap

@@Timeculture Facts? ALL favorites youtubers? You are a disgrace to factual people. If you know anything about facts, you would know not to fuel your statements with emotions and arrogance. Better not use the word if you are going to be petty.

@Kiel Enrique the only thing this macs can do is just graphics editing, and for those you spoke of all have a high end pc alongside mac, none of the RU-vidr is dummm-----mbbbbb enough to main a m1 MacBook pro, MacBooks will never come close to windows until they give chance to every software or games available on windows in macOS, otherwise it's just some show off overpriced Chromebook

boruto is so bad though

Baryon mode is fire though

@@bradhaines3142 haha, it is

Come on, no money I get it, but no interest?

@@zima2252 yeah i mean i have a like a dell 7505 gaming laptop with intel i5 7th gen with gtx1050 so i get by ok for now.i would like to buy new and better things but its not a need

They're actually going to make me crawl back to apple and get one huh...

Power/efficiency to price ratio Apple is killing everyone since M1. Add in resale value and seriously idk why Intel exists.

having no windows might be a big turn off for a lot of students ,me included

We'll see when they are released. The price tag is really high for these

@@andrew-qf4xl if you're a student, you probably don't need even need a MacBook tbh

Yea exactly. What good is all the power of there are no games (would totally widen apples target group) Of course there are also professionals that can use it.

Still no Genshin Impact even though it's already on iOS (at 120fps!) and PC

@@Sodium779 M1 Macs can run iOS apps tho

@@VezWay007 But devs can prevent Mac users from using their apps for "usability reasons" so you can't actually download Genshin Impact on a Mac through the App Store. You have to sideload it through shady means.

I agree. I play a lot of AAA games on my 2015 iMac and they still run great (games from 2013-2019). Metal has really improved gaming performance and now with this hardware, there is no reason that we can't see even more games. Apple has been hiring and working on expanding their gaming platform this past year. Gaming is a huge money maker, greater than movies or music, so I'm sure Apple knows this.

Well they did say the same thing for the regular m1 macs and they ended up being great (even better than claimed in some circumstances). But yeah we can’t know until they are tested so hopefully they live up to the claims

@@aidankreltszheim3599 exactly

No, it’s stunning. Nothing anyone says is valid against this MacBook. Literally.

@@aidankreltszheim3599 yep apple knows what they are doing

This is the first time ever, that I would consider buying, if I wouldn't have just gotten that thick boy on his table 😄

So silly

why would anyone want to game on a macbook? almost all games support windows 10/11

MacOS isn't optimised for gaming, these new chips are going to be extremely powerful in all tasks except gaming

@@aayushgupta2154 Yea duh. But I was just saying if it was optimized for both professional work related stuff and gaming, they could easily make a lot of money like AMD and Nvidia.

@UC2mtkF938-wFnRYLScyJkvA i’m not being a hater i’m just saying it’s not logical to game on a macbook, macbooks are for photo/video editors and college students. If people wanted a computer to game on they would get a gaming pc.

@@obye gaming pc also are very very good at photo/video editors /3d stuff/ VR ?

can you run fluid dynamaics, simulations and cad softwares on mac?

@@laputin710 That’s not really my area of expertise, but I think there are a lot of CAD applications that work on MacOS. Does seem like many popular ones have been updated to M1. But many are able to work through Rosetta 2 (like AutoDesk). CAD software tends to be very single-core dependent which the M1 computers excel at, so I wouldn’t be surprised by impressive performance.

i use the m1 8gb edit 4k videos and i havent had any issue, maybe you're overexaggerating your issue to justify the new purchase.

@@truthseeker6804 Ok bud. Maybe we do different things with our hardware? Lol. I open Activity Monitor all the time, and I’ve seen my usage get up to 15.5Gb when doing work in Resolve while having Premiere open in the background idling (just so I can keep up with shot continuity). That’s just using 4K raw from a Sony FS5II. I have a project coming up that’s mixing Arriraw and 4K 16mm scans at 4444, so the 32GB will definitely be helpful. Especial if I intend to keep up with 6K/8K. Maybe the better GPU will take some of the load off the RAM, I’m not sure. I’m not quiiite tech savvy enough to understand completely the concept of memory sharing.

@@raymondzrike2085 Then you should get the 64GB model .... memory usage at 15.5gb doesn't mean it's having issues. Swapping is normal in modern OS. It's only a problem when you see stutter or visibly slowing in performance.

Me also In tech review catagory, dave is the only person i believe.

I like notch on iPhones but it's just completely wrong on any Macs or iPads

That notch is purely intrusive and unpratical in my opinion

As long as it doesn’t get in the way of whatever I do

@@scylla4342 In their marketing videos/photos it seems like full screen apps don‘t extend to the top, so it is really only for the menu bar. In that case it‘s pretty great, since you get slightly more vertical space for apps itself. And because it‘s Mac, and not iOS, you‘ll probably be able to install some kind of plugin that keeps the whole screen below the notch at all times, but I don‘t think it would make sense at all, since you‘d be loosing vertical space. And in dark mode the notch is barely visible. I think it‘s a good idea to have the menu items on the left and the tools on the right side of the notch. I don‘t think there‘s a better way to use the most space possible (other than making the camera module smaller to fit above the screen, which would make it horrible quality).

I will reserve my judgement on the notch till I have the macbook in my hands. Sometimes renders and photos dont do a product justice. My old iphone x had horrible renders of the notch but it looked rather nice in person, maybe this will be the same. I still appreciate the extra screen real estate if anything

Lets see the real tests first.

I am looking forward to see how the MacBook Pro 16 M1 Max GPU competes against the RTX3080 GPU. Unfortunately, Mac OS is not a gaming OS. Waiting to see how Windows OS is coming to MacBooks

@@innocentiuslacrim2290 In fairness, Apple undersold the M1 and completely overdelivered with benchmarks... so if they're making this claim... I think we're about to be VERY impressed.

@@AustinRoss They are literally half of a U-series AMD processor in multi-core...

Yep

unified spindle drive memory

Looking for this

Unified memory indeed

Good catch man! I saw the specs during the presentation but still failed to notice the error here.

@@hunsinger Not when you live in the basement.

Another iSheep falling for the dumbest marketing tricks. Have fun spending 2500 $ every 3 years on useless garbage "technology", iDiot

@@cutiepie338 imagine still saying stuff like this in 2021 go back to fucking 2012

@@cutiepie338 - Top of the range macs get 7-8 years of OS updates.

@@cutiepie338 please touch some grass its not that serious 😭

We don’t know that yet. The 14 and 16 can be equipped with the same chip, but they may not run at the same wattage or have comparable cooling. It’s like all those random reviews last year trying to convince people that the 13 Pro was better than the Air because of the fan in the Pro. It’s basically why a RTX 3080 in a laptop doesn’t mean much until you know the wattage, hence the performance disparity of the two PC laptops referenced. We’ll see over the coming weeks the real differences.

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I don't think each of those "cores" is actually a single core on par with the ones in NVDIDIA and AMD GPUs. My guess is that each one contains a few hundred standard graphics processors, and Apple just simplified it for the layperson.

Yeah probably more on par with AMD compute units which are a collection of resources etc.

@@zackpalmer3704 i think that too because with only 32 cores a gpu would be intel hd level of performance my guess is that it is more like a vega compute unit in the vega igpus

Windows users want to play video games so no lol

@@sunburst8810 I've built a PC for that. M1 air for everything else tho...

@@sunburst8810 you would probably build a gaming desktop if you wanted to game. If I had to get a laptop; I would get a Mac.

@@sunburst8810 Nah sorry, the M1 generation of Macbooks are truly insane, Windows Desktop for Gaming though, M1 for everything else, including work, to make money

You can always find comparable in Windows for les expensive! It’s the same thing everytime! (Coming from an Apple user)