I need to thank the guy that cheated with my exwife and married her. It hurt at first but I got over it. Eighteen months later my exwife tried to sleep with me when I went to see my kid. Her husband was away in the military and I told her hell no. Found out he left her and filled for divorce. What was he thinking marrying a cheater. I am sure he caught her and saw signs of cheating just like I did. Now I am married to a great women, we have a kid, and we are doing well financially.
i had a kid with a women who admitted to cheating before i even gave her the ring. She swore up and down that she'd never do it again and it was so aweful..i was too in love with this beautiful woman (i liked her accent too) that i ignored the red flags...she indeed did not learn and cheated on my around the time our son turned 1. She hasnt been able to hold down a man since (3 years later). Once a cheater, always a cheater i fully believe now
monogomy doesnt work because humans are not lifelong monogous and men have always cheated the only differnce is wom@n cheating rates have increased significantly along with divorce rates
I dont believe any study that depends on women selfreporting. Even when they participating anonymiously. They give socially acceptable answers or answer what they think other women answer.
It all comes down to discipline. If you’re attractive it’s even more difficult because you will be tempted. Having the strength to say “no” to someone who you are attracted to because you are already in a relationship will be difficult but it’s your duty to do so. It’s not just relationships, it’s everything in life. You sacrifice fun for studies and career, you sacrifice tasty food to stay fit, you sacrifice fun to raise children. It’s not super natural people you just have to be strong and learn to not cave to every damn desire that comes your way. If you cheat, you’re weak. It’s strength and discipline, very simple.
There are many people out there that are simply not attracted to others while in love with someone. I'm like that. So cheating wouldn't even be a possbility on my end. Have broke it off with girls who confessed their attractions towards other guys. If you're romantically and / or physically attracted to others while in a commited relationship then bye bye 👋🏼
Never understood why people cheat on each other, if your unhappy.....end the relationship. It's happened to me, I walked away without feeling any anger, betrayal, hurt or wanting vengeance.
I rejected a guy I didn’t even know. He never approached me. He harassed, stalked, bullied, held me back and locked me in the house for years. Never knew him. Never dated him. Never liked him. He wasted 7 years of my life for NOTHING! He was in my way, removing everything that brought me happiness. Intruded in my love life, social life, job prospects and every minute thing. He told my friends not to see me or invite me. And they didn’t. He hacked my mobile. He talks about MGTOW but he was in my way, at the expense of his own progress. He literally created a criminal record for himself.
Women often cheat out of resentment. Well, they fester resentment, let it build to anger then to entitlement and victimhood THEN they cheat and feel no need for remorse. It's a process that results in accountability only being placed on the guy they cheated on.
Emergency? Male friend equals good dick without commitment. Like he explained. Women want stability and taken care of. The male friend is either someone who can't provide or is not willing to commit.
@@bernardwinkletoes4981 My friend with benefits got married and tried to keep our thing going. The look of despair in her husband's face when she invited me to one of their parties made me cut all communication.
It’s honestly the name of the game. Dating is probably the most primal thing about being a human being. I’ve had girls break up with guys to be with me, and I’ve had the same girl leave me for a new guy. They are brutal and it’s at a primal level. It’s almost like they can’t even control it. It has always caused me to remain cautious and pretty much avoid becoming too attached or emotionally invested into any woman.
Is it really like that ...I find so many women living with mates much lower than them on socio economic strata ...Women usually do not do that in happy marriages
@@sidhnaagambedkar5419You miss the part of the video about genes and the dual mating strategy. Women can be attracted to a provider but not necessarily sexually and on the other hand if a guy has good genes but he’s broke he’s still going to clap cheeks.
@@JEREMY99218 that’s because our society doesn’t have punishments in place like we have for men…If you’re married and she does it you should be able to divorce without giving her anything..something where she realizes she will have consequences and decide she shouldn’t
Hey Doc, it's called monkey branching and some meathead explained it to me 10 years ago. Monkeys never let go of one branch until they're holding onto another branch that can support them.
This is exactly why university and these professors are the greatest jokes on this earth. They spend years of their lives observing, collecting data and writing thesis’s on the machinations of this world that any normal blue collar person could summate in like 3 sentences. They are the greatest frauds ever.
I use this analogy for women as well. On the other hand men have dog bowling. A dog will turn up his nose to a healthy bowl of food (a great gal) until another dog comes in and starts eating it. Then it's the best dish on the menu and it's all they can think about.
When I learned about this subject matter while studying Biology in college, it permanently tainted my ability to fully embrace romance and relationships, having seen how fundamentally primal and opportunistic the game is.
Since Ancient Greece people have been trying to thwart their animal nature. There’s good reason for it, because it can yield far greater rewards than succumbing to baser instincts.
Men are primal, and women are fundamental to making a good man. The thing people dont talk about anymore is what makes a good woman. People now believe a man can be one. But it's visa versa because a good man creates a good woman, and a good woman creates a good man. Mother's and fathers creating stoic and balanced people by role.
@@EvilMAiq Losing your kids and not having a home is the opposite of Independent lol She's just going to be dependent on others and hurt them down the line
Damn. He does have a point on assymetry. The moment my face got injured it dropped off and guess she aint a patient person. He also coulda mentioned that birth control can change a womans entire spectrum of who theyre attracted to so one could go on the pill say post pregnancy and suddenly be repulsed by the husband and want the opposite attraction wise. Never met many that stop to ask why they feel something, just THAT they feel something is reason enough.
I can't say the same about my face but I started to go bald around age 27. My wife divorced me a couple years later. As depressing as it is - women don't budge on genetics, even the shit that's out of your control.
@@PlayStationElation00 yea she was like damn those are not good genes. gotta play it off by pretending u like the bald look, or just get a good girlfriend, but you gotta find her when ur bald
My neighbor ran around on his wife, even named his first child after his girlfriend, then found out his wife had been running around on HIM the whole time. Sad for their two kids.
Hey Professor Buss! I took your Evolutionary Psychology class at the University of Texas at Austin in 2000. Fun class and I still remember your entertaining lectures.
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He doesn’t explain things as clearly as others. He seems to be in a brain fog. I think it’s because Joe has had so much smarter people on here that can explain better.
I have never cheated on either of my partners. Both partners we spoke about marriage and children, we did not get that far because they ended up cheating on me and I just had had enough. But I believe once a cheater always a cheater. I’m glad I have a moral compass. I am proud to say I have never cheated. It’s a rare thing these days
I am guilty of cheating, In my case it was married female coworkers that pursued me. Married Vjay is the cheapest $$$ Vjay that I have ever had as it's an affair & cannot be shown the light of day which means no expensive dinners, vacations, presents, etc.. Just wild passionate cexx. I am most certainly not proud of effing married women but I did fulfill their needs by effing them real hard & we all know women go bat-chyte crazy if they are not properly effed. Bottom line: I am not sure how I will be judged when my day comes.
I found out my wife was cheating on me last week, and it has devastated me. I had a home and a family, and now it's all been taken from me. How could someone I love so completely do something so horrible?
@@sole__doubt sounds entirely true to me. Although the beginning often can come from the eyes, though it’s less long lasting than a man’s “eye decisions”
The biggest problem with humanity as a whole is it's almost impossible to quantify pettiness, spite and selfishness from person to person until its too late. The more we internalize such negative aspect's absent the ability to reflect on their inherent dangers the more toxic we become. This is legit how many documented serial killers are created both male and female.
Man this conversation is the epitome of why I love Joe Rogan. This guy is super interesting and we just get to listen in on a conversation that Joe would probably have in a private space, or really any one of us would have with this guy. Thanks for letting us all experience this conversation Joe
Dr. Buss has done a lot of great research but you need to read the Rational Male book series (by Rollo Tomassi) if you want some honest analysis and applications of this research. Dr. Buss has gotten some heat from feminists and other woke mobsters so he has to try to be politically correct.
One interesting hypothesis that pops up when hearing peoples reasoning for cheating is that men seems to be able to love women unconditionally. Men cheat because of their animalistic instincts, unconditioned by how their relationship is going. It's as if men are happy as long as they can protect their mate and the offspring and are willing to sacrifice their happiness. For women it's a bit opposite, if they don't feel love they cheat.
It's just lust and an inability to control yourself for both male and female. It's not strategic or thought out. You're either a decent person who can control yourself and keep your promises and commitments or you're not.
I’m a just stay single. It’s lonely sometimes but I have a great family, good friends, a house with just me in it that I can come and go as I please and I don’t have to worry about getting chewed out or cheated on. Sure it’s lonely, but my God, is it ever peaceful.
Something i dont see mentioned much is the FEAR of being cheated on. Both men and women obviously have this fear, a strategy to protect ones heart is to remain in a state of mind that keeps your defences up, that state of mind makes you less bonded to the person so it’ll hurt less if cheated on, but also makes you more likely to then cheat yourself. Ive know many people that seem to me to be using this strategy
First off, let me say I'm not denying the importance of fidelity in many key senses. However, unconsciously, people like Rogan, look at things in an overly deontological way. This is a Western Jedeo Christian malaise and is demonstrative of a lack of comprehension of the true higher God and spirit. (yet the West tends to distort things which are deontologically irrevocable, such as your biology). Of course, there is a positive side to the deontological quest, as this guest makes many rational, well researched points. It's merely that it's also necessary to have grey areas and 'the open cup ready to be filled'. Deontological thinking without explanation, nuance or unending new possibility, is also a sign of diminished IQ (think rednecks who can only repeat Bible verses with the epistemology that 'its true because it's true' rationale). In other words, the Western Judaic deontological quest (although I'd suggest the pre Christian Western ancients had a far more advanced thinking methodology) can be to generate an unending stream of rules merely as a way to prop up your sense of self. You are a hero in your own mind, and sometimes other people's minds (those with a diminished IQ) merely if you can say 'I made this rule, and it's a rule because it's cool' and boy oh boy does this allow extremists to come up with some bonkers rules. 'You can't say XYZ about XYZ group and this absolutely, deontologically true' as is one Woke idea, for example, which I would strongly suggest comes from Yahwism, the irony being that so many Yahwist cultures consider themselves to be 'free thinking'. Clue, they are often not as free thinking as they believe. At all. This is also why most of the world see the West as 'preachy' but simultaneously hypocritical. It's because anyone can make a set of rules which sets someone up (for warfare, regime change, cancelling etc) whilst you yourself nonchalantly break a whole array of other what might be arbitrary rules, which another person could easily ad hoc generate, as a form of 'superiority chess'. Now, this may seem a controversial place to say it, on a video about relationships and fidelity, an area where a certain degree of deontology is not bad, but it's nonetheless the case that Yahwism (the unconscious thinking pattern behind much Western thinking including both woke and far right philosophy) cannot handle nuance. What if a couple decides to have an open relationship, for example, and neither feels and remorse or distaste for the situation? Certainly from a Yahwist 'traditional' perspective, this can't be possible (in fact, such a thing would be punishable by stoning when Jawism was at it's barbaric apex). What about Pagan times when people followed far looser conceptions of god, with regards to relationships, which never meant that wedlock nor out of wedlock relationships were a sign of moral impropriety (the opinion most sane people hold today) People will say I am presenting a 'liberal' perspective by saying that not all people want to be in the same style of relationship, or that I am poo pooing traditionalism, but this is idiocy. Not everything is and/or, that's this hypocritical Western deontology for low IQ individuals. I'd imagine that Rogan is aware, for example, that many countries following the strong Judaic deontological quest, believe that pot smokers should be severely punished (time in prison and in certain circumstances, execution). The point is not what is correct/incorrect on this particular topic. Of course, cheating is hurtful if it is two people together who have made a strong bond of commitment. Of course traditional coupling is the very bread and butter of one generation spawning another. This is NOT my key point. My point is more general in observation of the pattern of many 'unravelling the Matrix' Western social media commentators. Rogan, like others, is part of the malaise of Yahwist thinking (unconsciously of course) which is the progenitor philosophy of both woke and extreme right ideology. In Yahwist cultures, saying 'I came up with this new rule' is the peak of showing your status (ironic when the Yahwist cultures tend to have 'belief in discussion' high on their list of ideals) Can an evolutionary biologist help people to stay together and love eachother for all eternity? It might happen, but God (the real God) is God. It is more nuanced and is seeking more understanding than you think than mere rules.
Seriously, my husband has been visiting massage parlors and sleeping with prostitutes for the last 15 months. I found out last month. We've been married for 6 months. We've been together for 5 years. I do worry that he'll cheat again. He's been the best person in my life until I found out. I honestly had no idea. I was completely destroyed by all this. I do love him but I don't like that I was fooled.
@@arianebennion he will do it again. Once a cheater cheats a big portion of the time they will again. I know this because I’ve done it myself sadly. I regret it insanely but I know each person is different but on average they will cheat again. It sucks and I hate myself for what I myself did years back but there’s times where you have to look at the bigger picture and learn to cut the line before it gets worse
@@BaphoMedia In some cases yes but not all once it sets into reality that a man will lose his children and ruin everything he was worked for to complete his family I believe some men can turn it around and change
Fuck! Thank you joe for pushing back on what he is saying! This is how we got here in the first place. Genetics, biology, science doesn't excuse right out bad behavior and selfishness whether your male or female
My brothers ex wife cheated on him and filed for divorce, fast forward 15 years shes now about 80 lbs overweight, broke living with her parents, and my nephew said she got arrested for DUI 😂😂😂, oh its music to my ears, I never liked her anyway
When men cheat, women say "there is no excuse big enough to cheat on your wife!" But when women cheat, women say, "What did he do to make her cheat on him?" THE END.
From my limited life experience, the male vs. female reasons for infidelity that David describes here is a hundred percent right. One female that I used to know comes to mind because she never ended a relationship, instead of breaking up with a guy she just moved on to someone new, but she made sure it was obvious to old guy that there was a new sheriff in town. I watched her do this a number of times.
@@celinamilian it goes back to simple biology, maybe not in the OPs case but most women are very agreeable, breaking up with someone is ugly, painful, and the dumper has the burden of being portrayed as the bad guy. Most Women would rather cut off a finger than put themselves in that position, plus in the interim of breaking up to getting a new guy, they need a place to stay, as most women can’t or don’t support themselves- so they cheat. It’s like ripping off the band aid (and slapping the man while you do it), but many women can rationalize it enough that it feels easier than just breaking up. Same reason guys will break up over a text- easier. It’s 1000% better than cheating, but to women, there may as well be no difference at all.
A desire for sexual variety seems extremely embedded into my genetics. Comes sooo natural to me. Almost as if I am going against my very nature to just be with one woman. Yet I still choose to be with one woman and fight strongly against my impulses. I choose discipline. Too bad most other people can’t follow suit.
So long as you set the expectation from the start of the relationship that cheating for men is normal and ok and cheating for women abhorrent, disgusting, then when you do cheat it's expected and they care much less. So long as you have your shit together and are respectful about it, she ain't gonna care if you have a side piece.
Made myself listen to the whole podcast and was pleasantly surprised! "Accepting the data even when it goes against your narrative"- Great statement! This conversation was so refreshing.
In all my life never heard story of anyone who cheated had great future romantic relationships. They either cheated again on the new partner or got cheated on. Don't do it or stay away from relationships, SIMPLE.
Female's Cheat way more than Men do why because they can have any Man they want if they are good looking intelligent, stable funny and a woman knows that she can turn heads she uses this to her advantage they will start off faithful but soon become board with there mate sexually and will cheat on there Man and still stay with there Man for stability finances or just feel they can have the best of both worlds as long as he doesn't find out that's the truth....
When you're a grown mature adult, you learn to communicate and end the relationship rather than cause drama. Cheating is not the answer and doesn't correct things, just hurts the other person.
Some people who feel disrespected or belittled by their partner intentionally cheat to hurt them. You are looking at it from a neutral perspective and relationships are not always neutral.
Because they want to have their cake and eat it too. Some people are just narcissistic. They also have little to no respect for their partner’s intelligence because they think that their partner is too stupid to find out.
I disagree with the premise that infidelity is more socially devastating for women than men. My first wife was unfaithful and after our divorce had a string of relationships including at least one more marriage which devolved. She has done very well for herself socially and financially. In fact. There are people in the community to this day who will not speak to me because they are convinced I was the villain. I find my type of story to be very common.
Correct. Buss is looking at things historically and ignoring the reality today. A cheating woman can easily end up in a better position by monkey branching or moving to skirt the shame. And usually the man is blamed for the divorce. Men pay the real price, often financially devastated.
My ex-wife cheated on me, and I discovered it like 7 months later. Initially I was the "bad guy" for neglecting and abusing her. Well in their eyes, my ex-wife was an angel and so, it couldn't have been her. Maybe I did something wrong? Rumors was going around saying maybe I beat her. Or cheated. Or neglected her. Nope. I was 100% faithful, loyal and looked after her and her family. I never shouted at her and was always open/nice. One day I just had enough and I just told her family and her friend the truth about what happened. Eg. me discovering this and that, and her talking to multiple men. Sleeping with them. Skipping work to be with them. Because I had helped them so much over the years and was always nice and honest to them, they believed me. They couldn't believe their daughter/friend had cheated. Now she is dating some rich businessman, who is also cheating on his wife with her. That was last I heard 2-3 years ago. My ex for the first year of divorce, still kept messaging me and trying to act like friends. Telling me everything. I put a stop to that and said no we can't be friends. I wanted to move on. Not be an emotional wreck every time she messaged me. I loved her and probably still do. But the woman I loved no longer exists. She has now completely changed, visually (brown to blonde hair now, lost weight, wears more revealing clothes now) and mentally different. Maybe she had always wanted to be a ho but couldn't while in a marriage. One thing though, she was a sex addict and would demand it daily. If she couldn't get it daily, she would get pissed off. Maybe this had something to do with it. Not to say that women with high sex drive can be cheaters, but I've also dated a girl in the past with also a similar sex drive. Also ended up cheating. Now I'm kind of wary of girls with high sex drives lol. The girl I'm currently with, has a regular sex drive and does not demand it daily.
@@karljonson3287 How is cheating socially devastating for the woman? Her friends don't need to know that she cheated. She already got her reasons and can just tell them anything. Same with her family. If she found a more better man (financially, social status and appearance), then she essentially upgraded without much damage being caused.
The mate switching is totally true. My fiancée monkeybranched and then cheated on me. She was talking to him for months and then had the affair, about zero sympathy for me after the fact
@@MakeMoneyOnlineWithEmmaall my life basically at this point it's actually frightening how cold and heartless they can be when they decide they are "over" you
We are all just animals & it’s just mating. Loving someone is the same as getting used to someone. It’s all it is imo. Take your heart out of it. Focus on creating a craft that can travel the speed of light so we can explore the universe further out.
A lot of what this guy says makes sense to me.. it doesn't accurately predict this for everyone but he's definitely right on a lot here..I had my own experience with women and I always saw that my women would always get propositioned all the time, and I didn't always get cheated on but I knew that another guy was always around the corner waiting to replace me..
Yeah my girlfriend gets hit on all the time, everywhere. She sees other men as NPCs. That’s what true love is when you’re her best option, you treat her special, all other men are just like inanimate blobs with no potential to arouse her
@@josueescobar8968 not sure what you mean exactly, I have had a lot of women in my life and none have been the same, if you want an example of one relationship then yes she treated me the same, she treated me good actually. I don't know how someone can be OK with cheating because I never was and would bring this up in any relationship, communicating is important if you never talk you would never find out how people feel.
@@josueescobar8968 yeah my girlfriend treats me as her king. I’m literally her best option. Imagine you have your dream job. That’s how she treats me as a man would treat his dream job. Thats the best analogy I can think of. She knows I get hit on a lot too (although indirectly). She knows she could lose me if she doesn’t act right. She tells me she would never find anyone better and would be devastated and not even try to date other people if I broke up with her. You can’t just readily find a man like me anywhere. I have everything set up in my life perfectly and have insanely high sex appeal and game
It's sexual attraction towards others that causes infidelity. It's not real complicated. Just animal desires and instincts, and whether we give in to them or not.
It's important to challenge "right" ideas so the academic can then further explain. People who don't have an academic mind may not understand everything being said and get confused or misinterpret what's being said. It's not necessarily an insult but it can be frustrating, yeah
You gotta challenge what sounds wrong. I'm a mere engineering graduate, and I challenged my vegan MD doctor about having unlimited fruit. Fructose causes fatty liver.
An evolutionary psychologist just confirmed what I already know. Sometimes you don't need statistics or studies to be done for what you can see with your own eyes.
Man I love explaining modern human behavior by looking back at evolution and our time as hunter gatherers. It makes everything make so much more sense, it fits all the puzzle pieces in place
Does it really though? A good amount of stuff can be explained sure but evolutionary explanations always feel lacking when not paired with social explanations. At different points In history atractive has meant different things. We've gone from heavier women to the coke adict models amd actresses of the 90s and 2000s, from head to toe coverings to bikinis. Human advancement in society, technology and medicine adds too much to leave explanations to just evolutions.
@@Pontif11 Well I think the two are very closely interwoven with one another. Society and sociological interaction evolved alongside our physical evolution. Society was molded BY our instincts and inherent nature that we tend to tamp down today. Our sexual dimorphism alone has had an astronomical impact on sociology and society. Ignoring the absurdity of the last decade or so, our gender roles were what allowed us to divide and conquer, and become so successful. It gave us our power. And it strengthened the selective pressure for bonding and close-knit communities, all of which directly lead to virtually all societal structures ever since
@@Pontif11 And while the general idea of beauty on a societal level has changed, I think the ideal woman has been constant for thousands of years. Child bearing hips, a healthy strong frame, a big enough chest to produce adequate milk for children, etc etc. It all leads back to that eventually. Our attraction has utility, just like all of our other emotions and feelings
@@GlorifiedGremlin its not a last few decades thing. As soon as people have enough wealth whatever is imformed by evolution loses ground. The evolutionary ideal man or woman hasn't been relevant for royals for hundreds if not thousands of years. The only novelty of the last hundred years is that the wealth that was only in the domain of royalty before has expanded down to even the poor of developed nations. Regardless, what has been atractive historically isn't really relevant to me now in modern times and every thing you described is the ideal woman is far from the rule now. Neither is the evolutionary ideal man. Joe brought up two great examples of men that are considered very atractive to women that aren't close to being the same type of guy, Jason Mamoa and Harry Styles. You can't have both of those guys being comparable with just natural explanations.
@@wingknight7132 pretty sure the reasons women cheat are much simpler. It makes no sense to create these overtly complex models to comprehend female behavior... Women are people, remember?
Very interesting chat. I felt glad that it justified some of my own behaviours, and confirmed that they are perfectly natural. Would love to hear more from this guy.
It’s also if they are not getting validation from their partner or getting needs met.. And abandonment and attraction.. because people cheat far after they already had their kids and are not seeking any more.. All I can say is if you have a good thing going with someone then Don’t Ruin it by cheating.. It’s not worth it.. Regret far outweighs loosing someone That you have been looking your whole life for
@JayGambo 🙏 Amen. Just because we have the desire doesn’t mean we should act on it. There is a reason why almost all the religions have rules about infidelity.
The egg heads in the comments just seem to have woken up. This advise was apparent to anyone who had any experience with women in their life. Most women cheat because their needs are not met, the hoes will cheat regardless.
Please have Sarah Hill on the podcast! Hormonal forms of birth control have SO many side effects that no one talks about, including gynecologists. I would love, love, love to hear from her!
@@nostalgicbliss5547 crushes the sex drive of many women on it. Also, when the woman finally decides to get off it and have a child. Far greater chance of the child being gay if it happens to be a male child. 🧐
@@seansmith6516 it's simply not natural. Especially to be on it for many years. Most women complain about bad periods and it's really down to their diet and lifestyle
As a woman- and of course I cant speak for all women but Im sure this is the case for a good amount of both men and women- I think the root of cheating is mostly when the current relationship has both parties unhappy whether they admit it or not, and an affair is a way to test drive someone else's compatibility or even singledom. Most female friends I've had have not cheated because of some physical genetic markers, but because of emotional attachment to the other person that grew. This probably sounds commonsense but just wanted to be one of the few female commenters here who can corroborate what he's saying, at least from personal anecdotes
Noooooo, dumb explanation - here's why. Your female friends are only looking at men of a certain caliber of genetic markers. Women already rate 80% of men as below average - what does that tell you other than that women are bad at math? She's only going to develop emotional attachments to men that are above average (top 20%) in genetics. And Buss was right (more right) the first time, dual mating strategy is a better explanation than mate switching.
Love seeing women give explanations regarding things directly related to women. What you’re saying makes sense. I’d add that the age factor will affect the reasons ect. Women in the 20’s might have very different reasons for cheating then women in their 40’s. Enjoyed your comment
But they are far more likely to develop the emotional attachments with attractive men. Women are not very self aware when it comes to the reasons they are REALLY attracted to certain men.
Men cheating is different than women. It's a number thing for us and we have favorite. Men have a main girl but she can be replaced by a younger woman who is just as smart and funny as her current old lady😂. Woman want one man, they fall in love with one dude. Ask any woman who their favorite boyfriend was, a majority would say he was a asshole but he did something to her that make her feel like a woman. In conclusion women are dumb and its not their fault
I dated a chic that was bi-polar. She cheated on me first. beautiful 5'10, athletic women. She became addicted to attention and the D. After we broke up, she cheated on several of her BFs with me. She was probably one of the worst mistakes of my life dating her into college. My dad warned me of her bi-polar and I ignored it. He said to move on. I did not. Little did I know, he failed to tell me that he was diagnosed with bi-polar as well. She got wild. I mean real wild. paid for her mistakes in many ways but also fell vitcim to rape a couple times and never prosecuted. now she raises a LGBTQ trans girl. girl wanting to be a guy. whatayaknow... . I only post this because people need help. spot it early. get them help. be supportive or move on if you can't and let someone else in that can. Don't drag it out as you'll just hurt both parties.
Thats why I taught my son to think with his Brain and not his Dick . All i had to do was point out his Mother and how bad choices can result in a Lifetime of grief and abuse .
Damn man, your may not realize it but your anecdote can be read as insulting to a whole bunch of people. your story is insulting to your dad who has Bipolar disorder, to the young woman you dated and suffered from bi polar disorder, (some would say you may have taken advantage of her manic states by contributing to her infidelity of her other partners, knowing whay you already knew) and finally you are implying that being LGBTQ and a child looking to transition is on the some diagnosis spectrum as bipolar disorder. Im sorry this woman whom was suffering from a very chaotic disorder hurt you and left a great deal of trauma on your heart but try to be respectful of someone'sebtal health.
I was born with cancer that has left my eyes asymetrical after radiation treatment, and I have no money. I'm blind now as of two years ago, and I live with my 82 year old mother. Ladies. Give me a ring.
Work par time at a gym. Eat protein discounted from said gym. And eat healthy food (not expensive) lift weights. Haircut and other grooming things. Educate yourself. Do this, and you’ll give yourself a much better shot. With love ❤️
@@sethmaginnipig1801 I have a airdyne exercise bike, and an olympic weight bench. it's all I do anymore. it's all I have left, really. I'm a beacon of positivity, look out. I might run you over. Or, I might walk in to a wall, one of the two.
Just a fun little fact/note, at 4:10 David states, suffered "the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune". This is actually a direct quote from Shakespeare's Hamlet, from Hamlets famous 'To Be or Not to Be' speech, in which he is contemplating whether or not to commit suicide. David is clearly a fan of English literature.
Watching this on spotify currently and I'm not gonna say joe wasn't listening but idk if he was really paying attention he ended up respecting this guy with different world all throughout this
I think upbringing and belief systems for both males and females would play a major part. I believe the decision whether or not to have an affair would be determined by how much they respect, value and care about the other persons mental and emotional state.
a man can respect value and everything but if there is no s3x time to go nockn.. I only say that because ton of lame women out there expect the husbands to be hermits until they decide to have s3x in maybe 3-6-9 months, hon put up or shut up, if your husband wonders somewhere else you better be understanding
The efficiency of this *usespy online is next level.* To juggle walk throughs of various angles on devices delivered to-camera, differnet content per app from various folks underneath the umbrella of the track list of the larger big band concert itself is engaging and refined access. To make a dense non tracable like this so digestible is really something. Awesome work !!!
No -they cheat too! I certainly don’t understand this at all! Married over 40 -never unfaithful. Life is difficult because we humans complicate everything.
The reason infidelity runs rampant has much to do with programming. Specifically every single tv series and movie depicts affairs as exciting and thrilling for those involved and a bored man or women watching will try and act it out for themselves. I got all my cheating out of the way in highschool and learned not to do it because it's awful. Don't get me started on all the tv shows and movies that depict murder much the same.
Especially for women. They have a groupie mindset and most literally copy everything they see on TV. They believe life should be a TV show like sex and the city lol.
I agree except for the murder part. There's a HUGE difference between watching a TV show that glorifies cheating by portraying it as exciting and watching a movie where a detective solves a murder case. I watch a show called "Bones" where detectives solve murder cases. I don't feel the need to murder anyone.
Thanks to modern times, and the internet. Knowing this information is very valuable for men. I’m never getting married, as I see the relationship market only getting worse for most of us.
Excuse me ? You do realize he also talked about why men cheat, and it has been proven over and over again that men cheat more then women. This info is actually more valuable to women, as it seems men will cheat simply because they have an opportunity.
@@haselbasil2488u do realize women are better at hiding cheating than men u also realize that women can commit paternity fraud and deceive or force a man into raising another mans child The fact that u got offended by ops comment tells me u have a lot of things to hide
People make the mistake of marrying people that are prepared to have sex before actually getting to know each other. Enduring relationships are based on respect and understanding, add sexual chemistry into the mix and you've got a good chance. But getting to know someone AFTER you've begun a sexual relationship, IMO, seldom lasts.
You can have sexual chemistry and know the person and discover he/she is a great one. It is not that rigid of a rule, it is not set and engraved in stone. That's why you don't marry immediately, you share with that person over the years and get to know each other deeply first. It has nothing to do with when does the intimate relationship happen. 🤔
@@RPMT excellent, I see Roger Devlin-sadly, somebody very rare to see. his few essays could be made into content for your channel, there is serious lack of media to introduce people his ideas. his writings are banned; his name is shadowbanned, etc...
The mate-switching idea is so simple, but so obvious. Women who cheat are the ones who are in some way financially or logistically dependent on the current relationship. Highly educated, independent, and financially stable women don’t seem to cheat. They just leave. I think the lesson here is that as a guy, you cannot and should not rest on your laurels just because you think a girl won’t leave you because she needs you. I honestly empathize with females in that position who are in shitty relationships but do not have the power/independence to leave them in a dignified way. Having said that… there’s plenty of women who “stay” with a guy they don’t want for trivial luxuries and just for the ability to continue living above their means (instead of supporting a kid for example). So, there is a fairly broad spectrum of ethics in infidelity
@Enigma just look up Patrice Oneal Fish bot or the opie and anthony interview patrice vs Dr. V lol, he talks about that more than any other subject frfr so you should find a wealth of resources should you wish to sink deep into his philosophy specifically on the topic lol but frfr
"They put a gun to the pussy and threaten to kill it unless we listen to their insane nonsense." Man, Patrice just spat fact after fact with absolutely no remorse. Rest in peace, king.
I was surprised when Joe asked his guest, 'so what causes this behavior...', and the guest says 'we don't know..'. My first wife was VERY narcissistic, overly so...and she was an exhibitionist and cheated A LOT (I found out later). I knew her 'background', her family, her school years behavior...and I can answer the question...and after her, found that most LIKE HER have the same issue: Her mother was a 'devoted feminist' to the point, men were 'a lowly life form', and my ex not only aspired to be 'just like mom', but learned from mom that 'she had a currency that all men would pay dearly for'. Well, we all know what happens to women who 'use the purse' to turn everything into a financial, personal-gain transaction...and by the time of our divorce, that was exactly what she had become...narcissism is self-defeating. You WANT to be 'recognized' for your beauty, your ability, your intelligence...but used as currency, you become ugly, nasty, good for only one thing, and ignorant; as a result. Now days, we have social media to make the trip MUCH FASTER, but the end result is still the same. To young men, I advise them to 'date' not marry for a while...and ALWAYS watch for 'bedroom intimacy' to become 'boring', 'a gifting situation' (where it is used as a 'reward' for expected behavior...good dog!), or any opportunity to 'better' you in social circles...you are dealing with a Narcissist, and can expect the single, same outcome, in the end...being thought of as a 'pen-kept swine' for her betterment.
Dude, don't give advice to young men. You failed. You didn't know going into it, you didn't know how to navigate it when you were in it, you didn't know how to exit it without everything falling apart. Blaming her for 'being' a narcissist helps no one. Reducing dating down to 'watch for when she only has sex with you when you've done something she likes' or 'watch out if she cares about you behaviour around others' is not clear advice to young men on how to suss out whether or not she has narcissistic personaility disorder. The fact that you say that shows how little you dug into narcissim outside 'she's evil' paradigm. I'm so sick of you armchair psychologists.
Your exactly right, and I don’t care what anyone says. Feminism and social media has turned MOST women into exactly how you described. I have seen it over and over, and no only in my own life. Don’t listen to this idiot in the first comment
@@WorldInspiring Its also self-defeating at face value. OP knows damn well his younger self would never listen to someone like him posting on the internet, young dudes who've just barely figured out how to get laid ain't gonna let internet randos stop them. Teaching a generation how a man and woman should treat each other can only be done through years of example, ideally from your own parents. Anything beyond that is just dumb luck.
@daroaminggnome Exactly. These complainers online are just relentless. They're just as sick as the women they complain about. Obsessed with sex like the women they want are obsessed with Instagram likes. Both rotten. Be a man. Become useful. Live morally. Serve others. Get a job. Quit all this shit about women divorce us, I can't get laid. Blah blah blah. Exhausting. Go do something useful with life.
Dr. David Buss.. the Legend. It took me about 2 years to learn everything that I wasn't taught about the female nature. From a soft perspective, it sure hurts a lot for a man to embrace that females will always seek ought bigger better plan of a man. Those beta boy days are far gone from my consciousness where it took the harsh way to appreciate reality. I'm on my Thanos mode, reality can be often disappointing. But, a man shouldn't be surprised not even since the beginning of Adam & Eve. Marital rates in the US and breakup rates in the US? It shows how crumbling of a society we are. At this point, women cheat if not equally or more than men.
Woman definitely cheat as much as man,the impact will be far more hurtful for the man if she cheat,it benefits the man who she cheats with while hurt the man who got cheated
Sometimes both are the same and they just get bored, lose respect, or become spiteful of the person most invested in them and often just dont want to put in the work of maintaining the relationship.
I think another reason less people getting married or having a relationship is also cause more people are having the fear of being cheated on especially in the age of social media when people will just post their pictures online trying to look as beautiful as possible. I definitely think like that sometimes and part of the reason I'm not in one
I have been really enjoying listening to joe rogans podcast lately! Its great for when your driving through work shifts or settling down with a beer or waking up and having coffee for me. its very mellow and intellectually refreshing to hear the different points brought up in conversation by both Joe and his guests. No wonder why its one of the largest podcasts in the world.
I used to speed on the way to and from work. It happens less and less when i listen to Jre. It's so much more productive too than just listening to music or silly radio
First off, let me say I'm not denying the importance of fidelity in many key senses. However, unconsciously, people like Rogan, look at things in an overly deontological way. This is a Western Jedeo Christian malaise and is demonstrative of a lack of comprehension of the true higher God and spirit. (yet the West tends to distort things which are deontologically irrevocable, such as your biology). Of course, there is a positive side to the deontological quest, as this guest makes many rational, well researched points. It's merely that it's also necessary to have grey areas and 'the open cup ready to be filled'. Deontological thinking without explanation, nuance or unending new possibility, is also a sign of diminished IQ (think rednecks who can only repeat Bible verses with the epistemology that 'its true because it's true' rationale). In other words, the Western Judaic deontological quest (although I'd suggest the pre Christian Western ancients had a far more advanced thinking methodology) can be to generate an unending stream of rules merely as a way to prop up your sense of self. You are a hero in your own mind, and sometimes other people's minds (those with a diminished IQ) merely if you can say 'I made this rule, and it's a rule because it's cool' and boy oh boy does this allow extremists to come up with some bonkers rules. 'You can't say XYZ about XYZ group and this absolutely, deontologically true' as is one Woke idea, for example, which I would strongly suggest comes from Yahwism, the irony being that so many Yahwist cultures consider themselves to be 'free thinking'. Clue, they are often not as free thinking as they believe. At all. This is also why most of the world see the West as 'preachy' but simultaneously hypocritical. It's because anyone can make a set of rules which sets someone up (for warfare, regime change, cancelling etc) whilst you yourself nonchalantly break a whole array of other what might be arbitrary rules, which another person could easily ad hoc generate, as a form of 'superiority chess'. Now, this may seem a controversial place to say it, on a video about relationships and fidelity, an area where a certain degree of deontology is not bad, but it's nonetheless the case that Yahwism (the unconscious thinking pattern behind much Western thinking including both woke and far right philosophy) cannot handle nuance. What if a couple decides to have an open relationship, for example, and neither feels and remorse or distaste for the situation? Certainly from a Yahwist 'traditional' perspective, this can't be possible (in fact, such a thing would be punishable by stoning when Jawism was at it's barbaric apex). What about Pagan times when people followed far looser conceptions of god, with regards to relationships, which never meant that wedlock nor out of wedlock relationships were a sign of moral impropriety (the opinion most sane people hold today) People will say I am presenting a 'liberal' perspective by saying that not all people want to be in the same style of relationship, or that I am poo pooing traditionalism, but this is idiocy. Not everything is and/or, that's this hypocritical Western deontology for low IQ individuals. I'd imagine that Rogan is aware, for example, that many countries following the strong Judaic deontological quest, believe that pot smokers should be severely punished (time in prison and in certain circumstances, execution). The point is not what is correct/incorrect on this particular topic. Of course, cheating is hurtful if it is two people together who have made a strong bond of commitment. Of course traditional coupling is the very bread and butter of one generation spawning another. This is NOT my key point. My point is more general in observation of the pattern of many 'unravelling the Matrix' Western social media commentators. Rogan, like others, is part of the malaise of Yahwist thinking (unconsciously of course) which is the progenitor philosophy of both woke and extreme right ideology. In Yahwist cultures, saying 'I came up with this new rule' is the peak of showing your status (ironic when the Yahwist cultures tend to have 'belief in discussion' high on their list of ideals) Can an evolutionary biologist help people to stay together and love eachother for all eternity? It might happen, but God (the real God) is God. It is more nuanced and is seeking more understanding than you think than mere rules.
I agree with him, because I'm a woman. I also revenge is another reason we cheat. When you have an abusive partner or a partner that does not help you with the home duties, kids or does not acknowledge your hard work or appreciate you, or give compliments, take you out. We became resentful and cheat to attack back. Very low I know, very passive aggressive yes, however true
