The TRUTH About DF64 | A Budget Do It All Grinder? (VS Eureka Mignon Single Dose) 

The thing that makes the DF64 so great is that the motor is press-fit inside the body. The whole thing is really just a big motor with a set of burrs on top, everything is sturdy, no vibrations, etc. And the plastic catch cup is quite nice, when flipping into a portafilter you can see what you're doing. I have it with the SSP MP burrs and I really don't feel like I need any other grinder in my life anymore.

It's Friday, Kyle, Lance and James have new videos and my new coffee just arrived. Ain't no better start of the weekend with fresh brew and this three guys! Tbh I would go for DF64 because for now their is option for different burrs which makes difference for someone like me. Also out of the box has decent burrs too. I was a bit disappointed with the Mignon gotta admit. Expected a bit more premium grinder in every way and a best buy without even thinking in that price range.

Thanks for mentioning/linking the flat burr alignment vid on Lance’s channel. I’ll be referring to that in the future 👍

FlatBurr Frenzy, I just started watching your videos , As a guy who is new to coffee i find them highly helpful this looks like a good grinder to save up for number 2 when i plan to upgrade from my 1zpresso JX Pro. I appreciate how informative you always are

I've had the DF64 since April 2021 (1st version). Straight out of factory, the grinder was good, but definitely needed a good bit of seasoning. For a few months it kept improving but I still got some inconsistant shots (I do switch between beans, brews and espresso daily, I might not have been precise). Now, after 9 months, I feel like the grinder has definitely settled, and is absolutely great value! As for the build quality, I can definitely confirm that it's solid, still works as good as the first day. Only mod I did was burr alignment, just like you, it was already quite well aligned out of the box, but I just wanted to go the extra step :) So to sum up, no regrets on being an early adopter of this grinder!!!

I love my DF64 with the High Uniformity SSP burrs. Coffee is super fluffy and goes incredibly well with my Robot. I will say that the DF64 mod community is underrated. People are building mods to improve this thing (power button, static, funnels, tilt base, etc.). I am not disappointed in the slightest! God bless Kyle!

No experience with either models. I do have the eureka mignon silenzio. Thanks to the 3D printing community you spoke about in this video, I have completely transformed my silenzio into an oro. Well not exactly since the oro comes at a much higher price tag. However, I was able to snag the silenzio for $425. It’s inherently very quiet, relatively low retention, and looks fantastic sitting next to my Gaggia Classic Pro.

In my opinion the most useful mod was the installation of the Mythos Clump crusher. It solves both the retention and the regrinding issue. In fact, it is so good, that I don’t use the bellow anymore. I’ve had to install a 3d printed anti-popcorning funnel to remove the bellow though. For me, espresso was already good out of the box, but filter coffee got way better with seasoning the stock burrs. At first I couldn’t brew a cup of coffee without stalling the filter paper. Now I am really happy with the grinder and sold my Niche.

The Oro came out while I was waiting on the delivery of my DF64. I thought I had missed out. The espresso and filter from the DF64 is great, and hearing that the Oro isn't as good as the difference in price suggests makes me feel sooooo much more comfortable in my purchase.

The most interesting thing for me with the DF64 is that it isn’t a knock off of something else. That Turin made a really useful and well designed grinder and even made updates when The Hoff criticized things. I put the SSP unimodals in mine. I was really surprised with everything from Turin. The packing and quality. Except for the plastic cup. But there is a lady in Thailand that makes metal df64 cups.

Searching for a new grinder is sending me into a flat-burr frenzy, but this video was super illuminating!

This comparison was exactly what I needed to see. My brain was in a bit of a flat burr frenzy, but is now clear.

Flat burr frenzy. I recently got a DF64 and it is a great grinder. I opted for the stock burrs since I only do milk based drinks and didn’t feel that the extra cost was warranted. Thanks for the great review. Eureka should go back to the drawing board, because for that money the grinder should be better.

I was waiting for this! I ordered a df64, glad to see it wasn't a mistake! very nice video as always! love the very subtle light on the table behind

Love the vid yet again Kyle. As I commented in the last DF64 vid, I love mine. Just with a mythos one clumbcrusher. Burrs were perfect out of the box. I do not even use the bellows anymore because the retention is down to .2gr at most. Good luck on the DF mod vid and the comparison, looove the work you put in! Flat burr frenzyy

Flat burr frenzy After owning the DF64 for 6 months I decided to upgrade to the multipurpose ssp burrs and it was a huge difference. The cup profiles are far different and have helped me dial in those tricky light roast coffees on espresso. Love the videos lately Kyle!

Flat burr frenzy! Just bought the DF64 with SSP multipurpose burrs and can’t wait to break it open and try it out. Thanks for your videos and I love the 1:16 sign!!! 🙌🏼

I got the Oro and so happy with it, it is much better now than last year version! No regrets

Great review! Very informative and I liked your experience/input and opinion. Could I request a decibel/sound as a metric for comparing machines?

Kyle: I like watching your videos - even right to the end, and seeing "flat burr frenzy"!

Awesome dude! You’re the the Canadian answer to the Hoffmeister,, I’m subbing my Canadian Bro! Love the vid I’ve been running a Bodum Bistro since I got into coffee in 2014… I’ve outgrown it for my daily pour overs! Any suggestions on-a reputable Canadian shop where I can purchase a higher quality grinder like these?

Glad i stumbled across your channel, only fitting that I saw a DF64 video first because I just took delivery of my own! Let the modding begin… however I had one concern right off the bat. Have you ever seems Aluminum shavings in your grounds? Maybe it’s just burr seasoning, I don’t know, but I had some show up in my grounds when grinding for filter coffee. Quite concerning, but thats what more filters are for. I’m also really noticing the static issue after removing the declumper as well, but I’ll take that over bad retention and a lot more fines.

I just bought the DF64 Gen 2 model :D I was recommended the Mignon as it's quieter but I hear I can put an acoustic dampener. I wish I knew it was a bit loud like the decibel range because I have sensory issues from a brain injury but if I can put it on an acoustic dampening pad or some sort of sound absorption I'll be good :) I am buying the Bambino Plus this weekend after Thanksgiving but as someone who is going from an Aeropress to a full setup I think I will be just fine :) I lean towards the Bambino plus because really it's easier for my mom to use for her coffee needs and we can use it for our tea because I thought of the Gaggia Classic Evo Pro but I don't think my mom would be able to use it as easily as pressing the button. I think I can program the machine for her coffee but I am still debating the machine. I know I can learn a machine because I am quite patient lol but for her it will easier to setup her coffee if I lay everything out for her she just uses a Keurig and pods but she used to have fresh coffee beans and that big ole coffee glass container you see in the diners and stuff 🥹 I'll probably just make her coffee for her as we have breakfast together and she's moving in with me so she can retire and enjoy the sunshine and all that.

Hmmm interesting. Loving the flat-burr frenzy . Not sure if it’s been done, but an espresso derived video explaining the differences with pros and cons of the conical and flat but grinders would be great. I ask as everyone’s palate is different, and we all have preferences, but how best can we understand this without spending the bucks and doing our own side by side? Just a thought and great work again. Cheers.

Picked up this grinder today and subbed. Great content man.

Thanks for the fantastic video Kyle! Your videos are always approachable and informative! You may have answered this in a different comment, but when can we expect that single dose grinder roundup? I like my Sette 270, but I am wondering if I can get more out of my coffee with a DF64 or other?

Look at your muscles! Kyle, you're looking even more jacked! Tell me about that shirt! I want one like it! Lol. This crazy flat burr frenzy, eh? ;). It really is a huge price difference between the two grinders. Realistically, people who want these grinders are a small subset of the coffee population. People who can afford them, even smaller. Lol. I have half a mind to get the Oro because I was thinking about the Specialita for a while there. I have a decent conical burr grinder presently. Working concurrently with a brilliant flat burr would be awesome. Your initial thorough review of the Oro was brilliant and fair. As a fellow Canadian, I definitely appreciate the take you took on it. :D. Have a wonderful rest of January, Kyle :)! Edit: I forgot to mention, I love see through dosing cups. I thought metal would be better. I switched out my Velocipede (Ottawa!) sampling cup (close to 53 mm for my Barista Express) that's see through for a metal dosing cup. When dosing into a portafilter, it's nice to see if you need to jiggle a little to level out your grinds, you know? Just a little thing I noticed.

Thanks for this video. I have a DF64 myself and can relate to all your comments... I have a question on burrs... I'm interested in upgrading the burrs from the stock ones, but it's hard to make a decision. My 'usage'-pattern: 1 espresso in the morning / a cappuccino on the weekend 1 pour-over in the afternoon Only person drinking coffee in the household... I also have a 1ZPresso that I often use for the pour-overs because I notice that when switching from one setting to the other on the DF there can be quite a bit of difference sometimes... Any thoughts on Multi-purpose vs high uniformity? Thanks and really appreciate the hard work!

I have a df64 and I agree with all your remarks. It definitely is the best grinder for value at its price range even without the mods. With the minor mods/3d printed add ons, its way above its league and even comparable to grinders 2x or 3x its price.

Regarding the declumper, its fine if you just take the top dial off, and use a small sharp knife and cut off some fins in the silicone declumper, or just cut it up completely. No need to go through the pain of taking the entire grinder apart. And another thing to take note of is the silicone sleeves around the springs (example at 12:14) should be flush with the bottom of the spring, so you need to take out both spring and sleeve, make it flush, then put it back in and ensure it's placed properly. Vibration from running the machine might shake the sleeve looser eventually so maybe just check it every few months during a regular clean or something.

I’d love to see a handgrinder or two included in the ultimate single dosing grinder video. Kinu, jmax, or commandante (one for filter and one for espresso specific)? Hand grinders are single dose and for the price could possibly produce better cup quality than some of the expensive powered grinders and provide a better user experience if you don’t mind putting some work in each time you grind. Thoughts?

Eureka is amazing, 18g in, 18g out! Bitterness gone as well! I sold my DF64 to my cousin.

Flat burr frenzy! And I've watched most of the others to the end even if I forgot to comment. Thanks for your expertise and the kindness you display in your videos.

I really like the honest comparison Kyle. Well done!

Quality review. I really appreciate your open-mindedness and fairness.

I'm six months into using the DF64, first with stock burrs and now with SSP MPs and its replaced two grinders for me now that I got rid of the declumper. As everyone else has said, it really benefits from modding but I no longer have upgraditis after going through quite a few electric grinders beforehand. With this plus a K-Plus for handgrinding I don't really feel like I am leaving anything on the table even compared to most commercial large burr grinders.

Great review Kyle! Really thinking of adding a multi purpose df64 to compliment my vario for all that flat burr frenzy.

Flat burr frenzy!!!! I’ve been using my Jx-pro with my gaggia classic pro and have had some pretty good results. I won’t be upgrading anytime soon since I already spent quite a bit of money. But in the future I will be looking into an electric grinder and the DF64 and sette 270 are options that are around what I want to spend. So this was a great video.

The DF64 + SSP MP is an awesome filter grinder. It's even better in terms of fines production if you remove the clump crusher completely. Try it, you won't regret it! 💪

Very nice video. Really enjoy your recents ones! Comparing prices is very revealing for coffee grinders: In Europe, the Eureka single dose is currently about 650 US dollars whereas the DF64 you are comparing to is almost 500.

I agree. Glad you noticed the same thing about clarity, I was surprised the stock burrs on DF64 were so much higher clarity than Eurekas. I think Eureka is just more your traditional profile it does actually work better for darker more chocolatey tasting coffees and milky drinks I found. But If you like to notice the specific fruit notes or do a lot of coarser brew methods the DF64 is better especially with either of the SSP burr options. The SSPs even the espresso high uniformity one was cleaner and less bitter than the results from the stock burrs for aeropress I found. But stock df64 would probably still be better than eureka for coarse grinding. Multipurpose unimodals are best for coarse grinding brew methods but I found they do work for espresso well. Haven't noticed any issues with them maybe NOT having a perfect alignment helps with that lol so you get a little less unimodal result. There is the earlier unimodal version which is slightly different known as the brew burr which is supposed to be more difficult to work with.

Flat burr frenzy - great video! Thank you!

Been super impressed with the DF64 over the year and a bit I've it, just cleaned it today (after 8 months of neglect) and there was still only maybe 0.5g of retention. Even with the stock burrs the cup profile is super clean and sweet. Still very tempting to get some SSP though 👀

Aloha Kyle. Flat burr frenzy! Thanks for the info. I'm looking into a single dose grinder such as the DF64 or 83 - and curious about how much coffee you can use at one time? My wife likes to load her French Press with 60 grams of coffee. Will these units work? PS, I like to get a cup of cappuccino in the afternoon, so a machine with good grinding range is desired. Mahalo.

I've heard great things about the DF64, but I have the Oro. It's perfect for me. How you could do a blind taste test with two slightly different 64mm burrs is beyond me, so good call.

Flat burr frenzy. As a dude just starting to get more into coffee, what grinder would you recommend that can do espresso and filter coffee for a maximum of say 400€?

I really appreciate your channel and your presentations. I am also proud that such great content is produced by a Canadian, being myself from Montreal. I understand that the USA has a bigger platform, but would it be possible to include the Canadian prices alongside the US ? Would be a nice Canadian touch and a breath of fresh air 😉

Nice review, I’m looking for a flat burr grinder and you have brought more clarity (no pun intended) to some grinders I’ve been looking at. What is your take on the Kopi Deva grinder? Thanks again.

Flat burr frenzy. Thanks for the vids, Kyle!

flat burr frenzy I've had the DF64 with the titanium italmill burrs for about a year now and I gotta say it's been a really great grinder for making espresso with my La Pavoni Gran Romantica... i love it! Maybe you can make a workflow video next time pairing the DF64 with a La Pavoni 😁

I know they're in different leagues..but are you going to do a comparison between the P64 to DF64? Particularly with the SSP burrs? Love the videos and just subscribed to your Patreon!

Really enjoy my df64! Cheers from New Brunswick!

Hey Kyle, appreciate the video! You mentioned on your instagram that DF64 with SSP Burrs is LOUD, would love a comparison of sound levels in a future video :)

I got my SD Oro for ~550 bucks and I don't feel like it vibrates a lot and it's also not loud, I actually like the sound of it. What I don't like is the cheap plastic hopper. Each time I insert the hopper after cleaning I fear to break it, it's such a tight fit. Also the fake chrome plastic top cover is just not on the same level as the rest of the body, which is really built like a tank.

Hey Kyle, Thank you for your amazing content! Do you think there is a huge difference in the cup between the Italmill and the SSP HU in the df64?

Thank you for your review. SSP burr... I didn't know that living in Korea would help at times like this haha

Flat burr frenzy. From Australia , enjoying the content !

Good video as always Kyle! Someday I'll probably add a flat burr grinder to my coffee bar. Maybe it'll be the DF64 after this review

Nice review. Actually great review! Every time I see a review for the DF64 I get that "Flat Burr Frenzy" feeling...if I hadn't modded my Sette 30 with the 270 Adjustment Ring and the Brew Burrs, I might consider it, but money is money and I got to get at least a couple years out of the Sette before considering an upgrade. For now I will just watch and hope that someday I win a DF64 in a Raffle...lol.

damn, very good working man, this is review, not bias overview. You should get same or more subscribers than james hoffman,

Flat Burr Frenzy!!! Another great look at the DF64, especially against the Mignon! Super excited to see what's next!

Hi Kyle, how about a vid of your own on alignment? (DF64) And about the declumper removed, how is the static, specially this winter? (visual plz) because I don't really care about little static , may coffee station is always covered with a bit of coffee grounds but I wouldn't want more 😉 thx and cheers! flat burrs frenzy! 🙂

I just saw a good concise 10 year old video comparing the large masticating burrs of commercial grinders, flat burrs, and conical burrs. I was wondering if a roughly $1000 Grindmaster 810S, for example, would be better than messing with all the idiosyncrasies, and mods of the newer home machines, but according to this video, the masticating burrs create more heat and more inconsistent grinds, although I don't know if that's always the case, or if you can still get good coffee, for say, automatic drip coffee, from one of these commercial grinders.

It was really informative. Thank you Kyle for making it. Just one thing that would be noteworthy is the differences between this version and previous version. I'm considering buying this, but only the older version is available in my area

hi kyle, about the range regarding the SSP multipurpose. yes you do lose a bigger range, but when you get the shot right, its obsolutely delicious. From my usage, the range is about 1/2 ~1/4 a mark compare to the stock around ~1 mark (for medium roasted beans). Its so much more harder to build pressure on the MP burrs, even when its right, the shots speeds up very fast towards the end. Hence a machine that can control flow/pressure is nice.

Great video. I look forward to the df64 vs niche zero comparison, especially for v60

Hey Kyle, I just found your channel on my ongoing search for a single dose grinder. Can you give an estimate when your full comparison will be uploaded? I might get the df64 by then but it would still be interesting to see!

Love those espresso shot glasses. Where are they from?

I have a Eureka Atom that I like a lot, but it's not a single doser and not practical to change bn espresso and pourovers/French press settings. So I was thinking of getting a second grinder for pourovers, French press, and an occasional espresso. Which would be better for this purpose, the DF64 at $418 or a Fellow Ode at $299 (currently w v1.1 burrs, w/ release later this year of V2 burrs (~$40 upgrade I'm told by Fellows) allowing for an occasional finer espresso grind)? Btw, I like the small size of the Ode a lot, but I don't want to sacrifice much grind quality just for the grinders footprint and style. Thanks for your opinion Kyle (and others), keep up e great work!

Flat burr frenzy! Thanks for the content Kyle 🤘🏻

Have you tried the (admittedly amateur) single dose / bellows modification on the Eureka Mignon Silenzio? I’m curious how the modified Silenzio (with the much quieter motor packaging) would fair against the Oro.

Love your content Kyle. Had a question, if you could buy a grinder for around $450 that had to do espresso and filter well what would you go with?

Hi! What do you think about the Fiiorenzato Allground? Kinda choosing one between the Single Dose and the Allground. Thanks!

Flat Burr Frenzy! Super love my DF 64. Wasted a lot of prints on random ideas, but when they work… they work great! ✅Mythos declumper ✅Dial Indicator ✅Food Safe anti-Popcorn ✅Easy release faceplate for vacuuming chute and declumper

Hey Kyle, interesting video and have been looking at both these grinders. Quick request - I know it’s not strictly a single dose grinder (though arguably you could use it as one) and has a number of differences to these, but any chance you could review the Lelit William PL72 or PL72-P semi commercial grinder? Not many reviews about and I value your opinion, especially as a big Lelit Bianca fan. The William PL72 has 64mm flat burrs, at 470w motor (though apparently a bit noisy) so appears incredible value compared to either of these (if you want a grinder for espresso only that is - I do). Here in the UK you can get it for as little as £340, so less than $400 US! It looks like it’s built like a tank (though it should be if it can be used for commercial work) and is pretty fast to grind and looks very consistent with say only 0.1g max retention from 18-20g. What’s not to love, yet I can’t understand why someone like you hasn’t reviewed it or praised its bargain feature set? Anyway, let me know what you think if you have any experience of it already. Thanks, Steve 👍

thank you for the video. i would like more clarification on the changes in coffee (espresso and pour over) with the change in burrs. also keep declumper vs remove the declumper. thanks. after having the df64 grinder for almost 2 months, i love it. but at times i would like to use my df64 for all the pour overs i do, vs my comandante

I'm using the df64, remove the declumper and I'm using mazzer 64mm burr cause I'm using it for espresso only, and it work soo well.. from the price point this grinder is value for money, at least for me

3D printed 10% extra angle base, zero dial ring, close cup holder, anti popcorn cone. All in food safe PLA. Love it!

Just looking at the website, I didn't realize they had different models till just now. Why doesn't anyone talk about the df64e? I can't find any reviews.

Flat burr grindzee or what ever you asked us to say lol How does the 64 compare to a modded for single dose mazzer major? I am currently using the MJ and have been thinking about the 64 with the ssp burrs. I would like to highlight as many notes to the bean as possible. I’m a home roaster that uses a Bullet roaster.

Thanks for the comparison, good to know I didn't really miss out by getting a DF64 instead of waiting for the Oro. I see a lot of people asking about noise level and I find mine to be very quiet. To be honest it's probably the quietest grinder I've ever had.

That was a great comparison video. Thank!

you are crazy but it is enjoyable to listen to you talk about how much difference in flavor you get. I am sure you can taste that. maybe some day I will be there.

Flat Burr Frenzy… I love your review videos, I just received my pre order Lagom P64 with SSP burrs last month to sit along side my 5 year old Mazza Super Jolly grinder and I’m loving it in comparison. You have mentioned the P64 in the past, have you ever reviewed it and if so how does it compare to these?

Man it do be a flat burr frenzy lol (much love kyle) I love that these relatively less-expensive espresso grinders are getting more and more popular! excited to get my own soon!

Kyle, how was the static? I want to upgrade from my cheap cuisinart grinder (lol) but not sold on spending $$$ on a Niche Zero. Great videos man

Those are some great looking grinders. Very fun and informative video, thanks for that as always! I think I'd prefer a DF64 myself, much easier grind adjusting, looks a bit better, static doesn't seem to be a huge problem even though path from grinder to a cup seems longer. It's a very nice grinder 👌😁 I also like how it's easy to modify/personalize it's look! DBrand skin that grinder! 😂

Love my DF64 now time to upgrade to SSP Multipurpose. Flat Burr Frenzy !

Bat Fur Friendly (remember the game telephone?). Great to hear your comments on the DF64, thanks!. Mine's been on order for a while, so mostly just confirming I made the right purchase :D I have no problems with doing a couple mods, be great to see which ones you like. Sounds like the Mythos declumper and some sort of dial indicator are musts. Looking forward to your shootout.

Thank you, yeah you are not talking alone 😅, I am here 👋

Curious about your thoughts. If I’m looking for an espresso grinder for the home, I don’t see myself pulling more than 2 or 3 shots at a time, would you suggest the df64 or the larger burr option lagoom mini? Bang for your buck and workflow top of mind. I suppose the single dose comparison might cover some of this. Love the vids! Keep up the good work! Flat Burr Frenzy!

Thank you for the purchase validation haha! I just got the notification that my DF64 is out for delivery from Coffee Addicts so timing couldn't be more perfect. The oppurtunity to have one grinder that you can upgrade over time really appealed to me over replacing the grinder itself. Coming from another Eureka grinder the whole "get what you get" model always left me wanting more and it looks like the Oro is following that model pretty tightly. Keep up the great work btw!

Your reviews are fantastic.

Can you set the portafilter directly into the holder thing, or do you have to use the dosing cup?

DF64 with multipurpose burr vs niche zero (will be about same price)? Flat vs conical burr set? Which one wins? I need to decide what grinder to get...

Flat burr frenzy!! Great reviews as always!! I;d love to hear your comparisons of the DF64 to the niche =)

Dude. Of course we watch. Pls. I need a DF64 in my life!

Flat burrs frenzy, 2 questions for anyone who see this. Even Kyle, I currently have a Rocky Rancilio grinder( 6 years) just changed the burrs) and I recently bought the Profitec 600 expresso machine. I am not 100% thrilled with the clumbing of the grinds. However not that bad of a grinder. Would an upgraded grinder be necessary to match my new 600? Second question. Single dose vs. a hopper grinder. Thanks

Flat Burr Frenzy indeed! My df64 is fantastic and I'm glad I got it!

Of course, you're not making videos for yourself. We watch this amazing Canadian guy! Just for all the craziness of our passion. Should I spend 400 more on the 64? Should I get the Silenzio or a Mahlkoning? My 20-year-old Cunill does a great job with all sorts of roasts. 60mm flat burrs! A chore to clean the whole thing. I can get a used one for 100 bucks. Will I ever get a 600USD cup of espresso? I don't think so. Maybe after 6,000 dollars, I'll have total control.