Top 15 Evidences of Deceptive LDS Leadership 

For a more full list of LDS Deceptions please see the following mormondiscussionpodcast.org/the-mormon-truth-crisis/

Sending them out, making them pay for it themselves! AND WORK FOR FREE 16 hour workdays as salesmen for the church! They taught them sales techniques. Gross! Those young people gave up 2 years of wage earning potential and lifetime wages, which is getting harder to survive without! They should be able to sue for it all back. But that's the rub. This type of deception is very hard to hold accountable. The fine should've been a billion. Churches need to be taxed. Imagine the churches that would disappear because that's all they are is a tax evasion organization.

Well, this is just the top 15 evidences. To see more, you'd have to read the Tanners' magnum opus.

Everything?

@@sammiller4321 Well, yeah. Not a single one of the alleged founding events of Mormonism actually happened. It is all made up.

That's certainly a big one, but the grandaddy would be the "first vision." Since all of Mormonism rests on the validity of that event, if it's false, the whole thing is false.

@@randyjordan5521 Well you may be right, but the "I can only find one" quote is falsifiable.

@@senorbb2150 There is zero evidence that the 1820 "first vision" happened. To learn details, I suggest you go to the Mormonthink website and read the section titled First Vision. If that even didn't occur, all other claims of Mormonism are bogus too. Also, Joseph Smith's "I can find only one" remark wasn't his only denial of polygamy.

Joseph Smith comdemned poligamy during his whole life. Brigham Young an others were whose introduce poligamy in the church.

@@federicoeco9030 OF COURSE Joseph Smith publicly denied polygamy, because it was against the law and the rules of his own church. The reason people like you do not believe that Smith originated polygamy is because you cannot emotionally accept that he was a liar, an adulterer, and a hypocrite. Here is what professional, degreed historians say on the subject: "From Joseph Smith’s first documented plural marriage in 1841 until his death more than three years later, some twenty-eight men and 106 women (as civil and plural wives) entered the prophet’s order of celestial matrimony.[1] Given the secrecy surrounding Smith’s controversial (and illegal) practice, the exact number of these earliest polygamists may never be known. However, enough information in the form of diaries, letters, auto biographies, reminiscences, affidavits, statements, and family histories has accumulated since the early 1840s-coupled with reasonable inferences and educated guesses-to enable a compelling, albeit tentative, identification.[2] "Based on the most convincing data presently available,[3] the following men either definitely or probably married additional wives with Joseph Smith’s permission prior to his death on June 27, 1844: James Adams, Ezra T. Benson, Reynolds Cahoon, William Clayton, Joseph W. Coolidge, Howard Egan, William Felshaw, William D. Huntington, Orson Hyde, Joseph A. Kelting, Heber C. Kimball, Vinson Knight, Isaac Morley, Joseph Bates Noble, John E. Page, Parley P. Pratt, Willard Richards, Hyrum Smith, John Smith, Joseph Smith, William Smith, Erastus Snow, John Taylor, Theodore Turley, Lyman Wight, Edwin D. Woolley, Brigham Young, and Lorenzo Dow Young. While the evidence in a few cases (i.e., Coolidge, Felshaw, Kelting, Page, and Wight) for an early plural marriage is circumstantial and conjectural, these twenty-eight men and their wives comprise the most likely candidates for membership in Joseph Smith’s inner circle of plural marriage participants." "The abundant evidence for Joseph Smith’s Nauvoo plural wives was first published in Andrew Jenson, “Plural Marriage,” Historical Record 6 (May 1887): 233-34. Jenson was followed by Fawn Brodie, No Man Knows My History: The Life of Joseph Smith, the Mormon Prophet, 2d ed., rev. and enl. (1945; New York: Alfred A. Knopf, 1971), 457-88; Thomas Milton Tinney, The Royal Family of the Prophet Joseph Smith, Junior (Salt Lake City: Tinney-Green[e] Family Organization Publishing Company, 1973); Danel W. Bachman, “A Study of the Mormon Practice of Plural Marriage before the Death of Joseph Smith” (1975); George D. Smith, “Nauvoo Roots of Mormon Polygamy” (1994); D. Michael Quinn, The Mormon Hierarchy: Origins of Power (1994), 587-88; and most recently Todd Compton, In Sacred Loneliness. Although some readers may disagree in a handful of instances with Compton’s identifications of Smith’s Nauvoo wives,[74] I believe he is accurate. In fact, I am persuaded that the evidence allows for an additional four (if not more) plural wives-Mary Houston, Sarah Scott Mulholland, Mary Ann Frost Stearns Pratt, and Phebe Watrous Woodworth-bringing the total of Joseph Smith’s known Nauvoo plural wives to at least thirty-six." ---"Identifying the Earliest Mormon Polygamists, 1841-1844", Gary James Bergera

Me too! The Bible opened my eyes

That's not true. Yes, it may seem veritable from the lives of these Church leaders, but that's not the LEADERSHIP Jesus Christ stipulates. The Lord says, "in the land of the Gentiles, their leaders do as they please and they Lord over their devotees", but not so in my KINGDOM. He expressly says the Leader should be the servant, and the greatest be the smallest. In other words, no Mastery or monopoly of Power. Even Jesus's lifestyle says it all. Amen.

“Church authority does not lead morality.” YES!

A-fucking-men

And the church still denies that the institutional church and the leaders in SLC had anything to do with it. When the fact is, Brigham Young met in a war council with 12 southern Indian chiefs one week before the attack to approve it and plan it.

@@randyjordan5521 Would love to see reference material for this. I haven't the slightest doubt of its veracity, but any documented evidence would be appreciated.

@@randyjordan5521 no he didn't

@@Fatfinger4378 I posted some documentation on this issue about a week ago, but I don't see it here. Maybe the people who run this channel thought it was too lengthy or too informative. So I'll re-post the jist of it: "Recently I was given access to an electrostatic copy of the daily journal of Brigham Young. Under date of September 1, 1857, the entry reads: 'Kanosh the Pavaunt chief with several of his band visited me gave me some council and presents. A spirit seems to be takeing possession of the Indians to assist Israel. I can hardly restrain them from exterminating the Americans.' "This seems very significant. The 'Journal History of the Church' under this same date tells of the visit of Jacob Hamblin and twelve Indian chiefs from the south. President Young talked with them all, but it seems that Kanosh was given private audience. He was the chief who had killed Captain John W. Gunnison and several of his men as they were camped on the Sevier River on October 28, 1853. Whether or not Kanosh and his band were at the Mountain Meadows we do not know, but we can now be certain that the Mormon war strategy was to use the natives as 'the battle-ax of the Lord,' as some of the early missionaries had stated." ("Mountain Meadows Massacre," Juanita Brooks, p. xiii.) "Hamblin and some twelve Indian chiefs on September first met with Brigham Young and his most trusted interpreter, 49-year-old Dimick Huntington, at Great Salt Lake. Taking part in this pow-wow were Kanosh, the Mormon chief of the Pahvants; Ammon, half-brother of Walker; Tutsegabit, head chief of the Piedes; Youngwuds, another Piede chieftain, and other leaders of desert bands along the Santa Clara and Virgin Rivers. "Little was known of what they talked about until recently when it came to light that Huntington (apparently speaking for Young) told the chiefs that he 'gave them all the cattle that had gone to Cal[ifornia by] the south rout[e].' The gift 'made them open their eyes,' he said. But 'you have told us not to steal,' the Indians replied. 'So I have,' Huntington said, but now they have come to fight us & you for when they kill us they will kill you.' The chiefs knew what cattle he was giving them. They belonged to the Baker-Fancher train." ("Forgotten Kingdom: The Mormon Theocracy in the American West," David Bigler, pp. 167-168.) The only large herd of cattle being driven on the south route to California at that time was that belonging to the Baker-Fancher emigrant train. As Dimick Huntington's journal entry states, Brigham Young gifted those cattle to the Indians.

@@kenmccain9743 I suggest you read the historical documentation I posted on this thread.

Agree 💯

Plot twist- Bill actually is an A.I. bot. Just kidding🤣

@@whitesalamander 😂

agree, the ai voice is distracting.

Amen

@@Moksha-Raver all of them do

My pleasure!

And just when was that, pray tell? And what do dragons sound like when they speak?

​@@senorbb2150😂😂 oh dayum i love you!! 🤣🫶

What's the name of this animal then?

@@senorbb2150 dragons LIE!

@@dreampurplequeen1 What lie? Please elaborate, and don't be stingy with the details.

Whats csa?

child sex abuse

We do two live shows and we are adding a third. I don’t think you have to worry about that. This project is something different.

It is one project that uses ai (all of the live shows and RFM and Mormon Discussion don't utilize such for voices) Not sure why you can't see that?

@@MormonDiscussion Clearly, I recognize that RFM and live shows aren't AI but the fact that AI is used for any show is weak. AI is unengaging and boring to listen to. I don't know why you can't see that.

We don’t expect perfection. We expect honesty and acknowledging when mistakes were made.

Why does everyone have to have a church? Maybe they don't. Even if they were in a church with problems, would this somehow cancel out the problems in mormonism?

@@kenmccain9743 I missed the part where they said they belong to or lead a church. Can you give me the time stamp for that? Also, I didn’t hear them claim to be the sole gatekeeper for truth. In fact, I saw them quote actual documents rather than just claim truth: can you give a time stamp for this as well? Or were you just lying and using a straw man?