True Believers and False Professors - Bob Wilkin 

really though??? Nothing he said is biblical. The bible tells us specifically to judge false prophets by their *_fruits_* and *_not_* root. Only God can see the true root, because anyone can lie to you about their faith - but actions don't lie!!

Bill Tavis But the “fruits” specifically mentioned by Christ to identify false prophets are not works, but their words: carm.org/you-will-know-them-by-their-fruit

@@dickgrantberg It's been a year since I watched this video but clearly you didn't even begin to address my concerns

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J Dude also Mathew 7:23 “I never knew you” contrast that verse with Nahum 1: 7The LORD is good, a strong hold in the day of trouble; and he Knoweth them that TRUST in him. Notice it says Never knew not used to know but not anymore. So anyone that trusted Christ even for a short time would be not be the NEVER KNEW you. This will drive a lordshippers insane because it again proves God does it all nothing of ourselves saves us except believe

And John 6:29 Jesus answered, and said unto them, this is the work of God, that ye believe on the one He has sent. Salvation is free, discipleship is for rewards in heaven. They are completely separate. If we could do one thing that would save us, then Jesus died in vain.

This is why I don’t believe turning from sin can be seen as a work. It’s part and parcel of being saved.

There are 3 kinds of fruit, I think. Fruit of the spirit is one. But, you don't produce that, the spirit does. Then there's a corrupt tree. They can only produce evil fruit, ie unbelievers. Then there's the good tree that produces good fruit, ie believers. You shall know them by their fruit... I would say is the people who got saved from them giving them the gospel. In other words, Joel Osteen is corrupt and can only produce evil fruit. That's actually most preachers today. They are corrupt and preach a false gospel and consequently they can only produce evil fruit... which in turn can only produce more evil fruit and so on and so on and so on. A corrupt tree cannot give somebody their false gospel and save then, they are even unable to get lucky and give anybody the true gospel and save them because they are corrupt. And, because of that they can only and always only, produce evil fruit.

in reference to false prophets... fruits are their words that add works to the gospel message (matthew 7:21-23 which immediately follows the verse you quote)

@@dickgrantberg thank you!!

That point is from Matthew's gospel and was referring to false prophets. 🙂

13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure. Work out not work for

+Coby Valenzuela Having doubts is not an indication of being unsaved. We all have doubts from time to time because we are still human in this earthly walk. A classic example of a person who DOUBTED about Jesus, but is SAVED is John the Baptist. In John 1:29, JB enthusiastically proclaims that Jesus is the SAVIOR of the world, but then in Matthew 11:3 and Luke 7:19 JB expresses DOUBT regarding whether or not Jesus is the Savior of the world. John 1:29 - The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world. Matthew 11:3 - And said unto him, Art thou he that should come, or do we look for another? Luke 7:19 - And John calling unto him two of his disciples sent them to Jesus, saying, Art thou he that should come? or look we for another? Scripture says that John the Baptist was filled with the Holy Spirit even when he was still in his mother's womb - Luke 1:15.

What is the will of the Father according to the scripture?

Believe what, 1st Corinthians 15 chapter verse 1 to 4, Ephesians first chapter verse 13, Ephesians second chapter verse 8 and 9, Romans the 4th chapter and saved by Christ resurrected life. 2nd Timothy 2:15.

Do you obey Him perfectly?

@@reynatosarandi5079 To believe on the Son :)

@@garyleemusic of course not. I believe the scripture is talking about DIRECTION not perfection. We are a slave and our MASTER is whom we obey , whether slaves of sin which leads to death or slaves of righteousness which leads to eternal life. We cannot serve two masters. We need to be sure that Jesus is our Master and not sin. That's why repentance is ,which sadly seems to have been removed from most gospel preaching , a turning of OUR WILL , which is inclined to sin , TO the WILL OF GOD found in Jesus. We need to DIE to live. Many just think they can add Jesus to their life of sin as some sort of covering which really only them becomes a license to sin and is why they never seem to overcome sin because they lack the power of God in REBIRTH . MANY ACCEPT JESUS BUT DID HE ACCEPT THEM? I believe lack of repentance is the reason we have so many that lack the power and grace of God .

Of course it's not too late.

Repent of your sins, and believe the gospel. Turn from your wicked ways, and make Jesus the Lord/savior of your life.

Believe the Gospel .............@@alexking8802 Love you

Jan-Peter Schuring congratulations! You just made works a part of salvation.

Ah, the classic, "We're saved by faith, BUT..." No, YOU don't actualize your faith by your works. God actualized your faith when he united you with him when you were converted.

@@razzendahcuben I agree. Three years ago I was still wrestling with the apprehension of the gift of Grace. In fact I’ll do you one better I now view even the “performance” of acceptance as problematic. If the arch of Christ spans from the foundations of the world to the Eschaton then I hardly think any willful act is relevant in that much grander picture. All separation from God is a temporal construct of our blindness to Him and the finished project is complete. Everyone will freely choose. All will freely choose as all thirsty ultimately freely choose water instead of sand to quench their thirst. God's creation is good, therefore satisfaction is met in the Supreme Good, every form of refusal comes from ignorance or enslavement. The soul might suffer the consequences of trying to get satisfaction in any form of rebellion against God, but any rebellion ultimately doesn't satisfy. God's patience and the goodness of creation (we desire good and good exists) wins everybody without coercion. Thank goodness that the Good News is indeed good.

That is the most easy-understanding way I've ever heard it put. Plain logic. Thank you, Bengal.

We act out what we believe. Yes you're right. I believe that Jesus died for my sins and was resurrected by God. Therefore to get saved I must trust in his finished work on the cross for my salvation. I trust that my works will not get me saved therefore I have no works which will "backup my salvation". I believe that lying is a sin but believe that is possible for our body to sin therefore I lie at times. See I do the works of what I believe.

"If you love me, you will obey my commandments....." How can a true Christian not love HIM...?

Bengel Franco All saved people will love him. It just does not happen right away. Let me ask; We're you following your parents in everything they said to you at age 5 or 6? No! It's the same with him. In the future all saved Christians will come to love him. That is why he motivates is with reward to do his work. Even now much of us who are saved still disobey God in many aspects of our lives. Therefore he chastised us for our disobedience, so that we may be part of his holiness.

Friend, the issue is "REPENTANCE. " Read these "I tell you that in the same way, there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who REPENTS than over ninety-nine righteous persons who need no repentance. Luke 15.7" AND "Do you suppose that these Galileans were worse sinners than all other Galileans, because they suffered such things? 3 I tell you, no; but unless you REPENT you will all likewise perish. LUKE 13.

You are not wrong. The first part of that verses says beware of wolves in sheeps clothing, so yes you will know them by their fruit but this is speaking of you knowing them. See, Jesus said people will know US by the love we have for one another, but we know we are saved by our Faith in Him, others can not see our Faith in Him tho without Love. We are not saved by our works but we know people by them, so in time we will see the hate they have for people and know them. That being said if they straight up deny its by JESUS we are saved and add works we already KNOW they are wolves. This verse would be speaking of a person like Steven Anderson who says he believes in Jesus, but there is no love in his words or deeds, he is not saved by that love, but its proof that something is wrong on the inside of him. Some might be a work in progress, but all will be made clear in time.

It's not wrong, but we must be careful and use discernment. You are not wrong, though. Anyone could clearly observe Paul whenever he was Saul, look at his new life after salvation and listen to his words, etc and clearly see that he was a new creation. And it derived from what he believed: from an unbeliever to a believer, but that change in beliefs brought about by the full work of Christ in him produced a "new man" that became evident in his life/works. It starts with belief, of course, but, the life that has been changed by Jesus Christ will begin to fall in line with the Word. Paul wasn't the same Paul. Peter wasn't the same Peter. Zaccheus... Even the little we see about Nicodemus.. he wasn't the same Nicodemus by the end of the chapter. Whereas, for example, Cain. He "went out from the presence of God." He didn't repent; he didn't care. He lied to God's face about murdering his brother, whined bc God's punishment was "too severe", then God was gracious to him, but Cain just went out from His presence. Judas. His worldly sorrow was just that: worldly and wrapped up in self. He didn't seek the Savior for forgiveness, for redemption. He didn't seek God's mercy. He rejected Christ. He didn't believe, and it showed in his life. So, it's a two-sided coin the way that Scripture presents it. Every time. Paul directly says that actually, lol, and it's evident. True saving faith will produce a life that lives out that faith and belief. This guy sounded good, but I think he is missing that aspect. His qualm is lopsided a tad. And a little pointless. It still comes down to the same thing. Given time, ones life will demonstrate what they believe. And a lot of times, it doesn't take too much time to see it.

Good observation!

+Mellomoon Haze you're confused about salvation, you can post a million verses but by not understanding scripture and context is not there, you find every verse with the word work? ROFL, christ work is the work that saves and fruit isn't lawkeeping, "you iwll know them by their fruit" fruit in the bible is often what a person speaks, and proclaims, its called the fruit of the lips or the fruit of the mouth, the bible says a bad tree CANNOT bear good fruit, and a good tree cannot bear bad fruit, so anything that both groups can do gets RULED out, lots of people are into lawkeeping, jews, muslims, lots of religous people try to keep the law, you're not keeping it either by the way so fruit isn't lawkeeping, sounds like you just like making nonsense up, the word fruit is what a person speaks, its doctrine. the good fruit is christ its the gospel, and bearing fruit is growing in the knowledge of christ, its being able to see christ in the entire word of God from front to back, every book/chapter and verse is about christ

alizarin alexander ISAIAH 29:13 Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me WITH THEIR MOUTH, and WITH THEIR LIPS do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men: JAMES 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. 1JOHN 1:2 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. I see you've been well indoctrinated into the gravy grace doctrine where *ALL YA HAVE TA DEW IS BALEEEEEEV* (in voice of Joel Osteen) Here are some more verses to show your ignorance.... Ephesians 5:11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. Titus 3:14 And let ours also learn to maintain GOOD WORKS for necessary uses, that they BE NOT UNFRUITFUL. 2 Peter 1:5-8 5 And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge; 6 And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness; 7 And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. HAVE A NICE DAY.

Mellomoon Haze "by their mouth they profess me" etc....yeah like you're doing, but you deny grace, your works cannot save you and you're not trusting in christ work, so your works are dead and so is your faith, you miss the entire context of james, james is indicting pharisees, and "the works" are proclaiming the gospel, believing the gospel and proclaiming it are the works, thats how you show people your works, you think its what? lawkeeping? you're not keeping the law, the la1w is not of faith, don't you read the entire bible? james says if you keep the entire law yet offend in one point you've broken it all, he is adressing lawpreachers like you, since you're not about the preaching of the cross for salvation for those who believe thats your fruit, its dead, the fruit of your mouth reveals you're not part of christ, james never says its mans works, the bible never uplifts mans works, you're not harmonizing scripture, being able to rightly divide and just quoting bible verses are two different things, you have to ignore most bible verses, i don't...you can't fit what you believe in with the entire bible, you're not keeping the law, and you making strife on youtube is just another sin on the long list of sins you're doing, you like most people are using the book of james to "refute and correct" the rest of the bible, ROFL, thats not sound doctrine, you can't harmonize it with the rest of the bible, God isn't schizophrenic, you are but he isn't...NOT BY WORKS YOU HAVE DONE, to him that works it doesn't count as grace but debt, you're confused about what works a person needs, you think its mans works...its not mans works, you're an enemy of the cross, its christ work a person needs, thats a living faith, relying on your own works is a dead faith, you are showing me your dead faith, you are testifying of yourself, anyone who says "its our works too" thats you testifying of yourself, and the holy spirit in qa person will NEVER EVER, testify of man, the holy spirit testifies of christ and his finished work on the cross, jesus said he finished the work, christ has already done the believers works, 2000 years ago. its finished, all thats left if for a person to BELIEVE he did the work for em, you're not relying on him for salvation you're portraying christ as a "helper or copilot", thats not what he is...you're not a saved person.

Mellomoon Haze go sit down, you're an enemy of the cross, your works will send you to hell, don't bother me again.

Matthew 7:15-20 is talking about the fruit of false teachers. What the preach. They preach you can save yourself by works instead of all grace, Romans 11:6 They preach another gospel. The Gospel. First Corinthian 15:1-4 That Christ died for our sins, according to the scriptures, that He was buried and rose again on the third day, according to the scriptures. If you believe He did it for you personally, you are saved and are sealed by the Holy Spirit unto the day of redemption. Ephesians 1:13 and 4:30. Galatians 1:7-9 Though we or an angel from heaven preach any other gospel than that which we have preached unto you, let them be accursed. As we said before, so say I again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. There is only one gospel that saves sinners which we all are. First John 1:8. If there was any other way to be saved than by Jesus blood sacrifice for all our sin, then Jesus died for no reason. There is no other way than through Jesus alone. He paid the price we could not pay. We did nothing for it. Jesus paid it all, not just part and we have to do the rest. We would have something to boast in. True believers have nothing to boast in because we did nothing for the free gift. Ephesians 2:8-9 Romans 6:23.

***** I will thanks. I also realize that we are not to take everything that is said in scripture to the degree that it is always literal. They spoke in metaphors and used analogies as we do today.

They don’t have a clue that they are exactly like the Pharisees. Justification by works not faith alone by Christ alone.. thank you brother ..excellent point!

I don't know what "Lordship Damnationists" means but this video definitely struck the wrong chord with me. The bible specifically tells us we will know them by their fruits and this guy tries to invert that by saying "not the fruit, the root" but the "root" in this case would be in their heart and only God can see that. Does he think that men don't lie?

The verse you quoted says false teachers will be known by their fruits. And their fruits are their words. Good fruit is the true gospel, bad fruit is works salvation.

Since no one has ever been good enough to go to heaven, by what they do and how they live, how are you going to be saved? No one has ever been saved by their own merit. There is none good but God. That makes us all bad. We have to be as righteous as God to go to heaven. Are you that good? Are you so good that God will let you in to heaven on your good works and keeping the law? God rests His case. No one is good enough to go to heaven on how they live or what they do. If that was the case, we would be saved by how we live and what we do, and Jesus died for no reason. So the preaching of the cross is foolishness to them that do not believe.

Yeah, I can't say I disagree. When people have serious sin issues it certainly isn't a good sign of salvation. But...we also are not perfect.

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Belief (faith/trust) has nothing to do with what you do. Think about it: we never associate belief with actions for anything else: “I believe God exists” “I believe I have 10 fingers” “I believe the Bible is God’s word” “I believe the earth is round” “I believe sun will rise tomorrow” None of those propositions have anything to do with how one behaves. But all of a sudden when we say “I believe am eternally secure because Jesus promises to give eternal life to all who believe in Him,” it magically and inexplicably requires “works”. It doesn’t! It’s a free gift. Free to all who simply believe in Him apart from any behavior on our part. Belief is being persuaded something is true. That’s it. After we are born again, then, YES! We should live, follow, obey, pickup our cross, and be disciples of Christ! And if we don’t there will be consequences in our life, maybe even premature death.

Saving faith will produce works as long as you're living. If works (which He says in His word that He preordained for His children to walk in) weren't a product of true saving faith, then Abraham wouldn't have offered Isaac, Rahab wouldn't have received the messengers, Noah wouldn't have built the boat, Paul's life wouldn't have looked incredibly 180... he hated Him one minute, and the next minute, he called Him Lord and served Him and proclaimed His truth unto death. If it is faith and then "thats it. Works or lack-therof are no indication", then Jesus wouldn't have bothered telling the adulteress, "...now go, and sin no more." Noone had to twist Zaccheus' arm to get him to willingly and joyfully repay with interest those whom he had stolen from, and to also give away half of his goods to the poor. The works are the PRODUCT. Our garbage, selfish attempts at doing "good" do not save us nor do they cleanse our sin and make us righteous before God. Christ alone does that, and then that saving faith, when it's true, will begin to show forth in the life. The thief on the cross, had he not died that day, would have been no different. He doesn't save and transform a life and that life remain as it was; you're forever changed.

@@lilacDaisy111 Jesus said only those that are born of water (vaginal birth) and spirit (born again) can enter heaven. Satan wasn't born of water, and neither were demons. They are born of spirit only. This is why demons, fallen angels, and Satan can't be saved by the blood of Christ. I hope this answers your question.

Jesus's promise of eternal life is for living humans only. The promise doesnt' apply to the devil.

how much fruit do you need to see to know for certain you are eternally secure? Looking to our own works for assurance leaves us unsure. Believing is Jesus's promise gives us 100% perfect assurance, because God is faithful and cannot lie.

+Darrel Hicks "Faith without works is dead" does not mean that the person is unsaved, but that the person is saved, but LAZY. The whole book of James was written to people who were already saved as James continuously addresses his readers as "my brethren" in the KJV and as "my brothers and sisters" in just about every chapter. James 2:14-26 has been notoriously used by Calvinists/Lordship Salvationists as a "proof" text in an attempt to "prove" that "faith without works" means a person is not saved. The one verse that throws many Christians off is James 2:14 which reads in the KJV, " What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?" The question we need to ask is this, "can faith save him from WHAT?" James is not talking about being saved from hell as the whole book of James was written to people who were already saved. All throughout the book of James, James addresses his readers as "my brethren" indicating that these are saved people possessing eternal life. James is asking if a Christian's faith that is not put into action save him from the loss of eternal rewards at the Judgment Seat of Christ - 2 Corinthians 5:10, 1 Corinthians 3:10-15. He is also asking if a Christian's inactive faith will save him from appearing cold and insensitive in the eyes of those in need. James 2:14 entails these implications. Lordship Salvationists and any works-gospel salvationists will of course use James 2:14 taken out of context and twisted to mean that if a Christian has no evidence of "works", then the person is not saved. This is a blatant lie because the Bible clearly teaches that salvation is a FREE GIFT from God instantly given to those who BELIEVE in Jesus finished work on the cross, and the free gift of salvation is not of works - Ephesians 2:8-9. In the KJV, the first part of James 2:14 is asking about profit. He is asking what profit is there if a Christian does not put his/her faith into ACTION? James 2:15-16 explains how a Christian's faith that is not put into action will not profit a needy brother or sister. Verse 16 asks how it will profit. A Christian who is saved and whose faith is not put into action will not profit the Christian himself and will not profit others in need. James is exhorting saved Christians to put their faith into ACTION to prevent spiritual atrophy/stagnancy. A faith that is put into action pleases God and also earn the Christian eternal rewards at the Judgment Seat of Christ - 2 Corinthians 5:10 - "For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each of us may receive what is due us for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad." James is not saying that "faith without works" means that the person is unsaved. 1 John 3:17-18 is parallel to James 2:15-16 by saying, " If anyone has material possessions and sees a brother or sister in need but has no pity on them, how can the love of God be in that person? 18 Dear children, let us not love with words or speech but with actions and in truth." James is also teaching that there are 2 types of justification: 1) Justification before GOD which is eternal salvation is by FAITH ALONE IN CHRIST ALONE APART FROM WORKS - Ephesians 2:8-9, Romans 3:20, 3:28, 4:3-5, 9:32, 11:6, Galatians 2:16, 2:21, Galatians Ch.3, Titus 3:5. 2) Justification before PEOPLE is by our WORKS. People cannot visually see our faith and they can only see our faith when we exercise our faith by putting it into action, not to be saved, but because we ARE SAVED - Ephesians 2:10. In Ephesians 2:10 in the KJV, it says that we "should walk" in good works, not "must walk" or "will walk". We are to do good works if we want to be a good witness for Christ and good works will help prevent spiritual atrophy/stagnancy and will help us to grow and progress forward in discipleship/sanctification - Matthew 5:15-16, Luke 8:16, 11:33, 2 Corinthians 8:21, 1 John 3:17-18. When Abraham BELIEVED God in Genesis 15:6, he was justified and eternally saved at that moment in time, then much later in Genesis 22, Abraham's willingness to sacrifice Isaac justified him before PEOPLE, that is, the whole nation of Israel. Abraham put his faith into ACTION. Rahab the prostitute's faith in God justified and saved her eternally in Joshua 2, and her hiding the 2 spies and sending them off in a different direction justified her before her whole family when they were spared from physical death - Joshua 6:25, Hebrews 11:31. Rahab put her faith into ACTION. James 2:14-26 is an exhortation for all saved Christians to put their faith into ACTION to prevent spiritual atrophy/stagnancy and to be a good witness for Christ. Doing good works will justify us before PEOPLE so that people can see God's love manifest in our lives. Doing good works will help edify us spiritually and to help us progress forward in discipleship/sanctification. God does not want us to be "missing in action". There are many Christians who are saved, but are very LAZY.

+Darrel Hicks A person can have a complete weight set as a gift from someone, but how will that weight set PROFIT the person if he never works out? The weight set is in his possession, but he won't lose it if he never works out. The same principle applies to James 2:14-26. James 2:14 is talking about PROFIT.

Seems like the Bible could have been a lot shorter if what you say is true.......think you should listen to ALL scripture.

Saved by grace through repentance which is the consequence of faith.

Is Faith a Quantity or a State? - Ken Yates ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-N4CemxA2yaI.html

Do You Fear a Dead Faith? - James 2:14-26 by Bob Wilkin ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-e5p5dVUEJsY.html

Is the Faith that Saves Ever Alone? - James 2 - Ken Yates ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ubmMFihrkas.html

No sir...check Romans 4.4 Now to the one who works, his wage is not credited as a favor, but as what is due. 5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness,

Bengel Franco we start in faith, continue in faith and are made complete in faith. That is not an excuse to be lazy in our relationship with the Lord

Ok...your question was "Isnt belief a form of work? and I said "no" due to Romans 4. 4 which says that faith is not work....I agree that it is by faith and repenting but i was answering your question "isnt belief a form of work?" I dont understand where i am disagreing with you....

Maybe the Lord didnt want you to see this man until now? And he revealed him to you now because now was your time to see and hear his teachings.

The same way you believe anything. Belief is simply being persuaded something is true. Or having the conviction that something is true. To believe In Jesus for the promise of everlasting life is to believe (to be persuaded) that Jesus is the Christ (the one who guarantees eternal life to all who believe in Him). If you believe that promise you also believe it’s true for you, meaning you have assurance that you are eternally secure in Christ.

@@garyleemusic I see. When I was a kid, I was persuaded I was Batman. And i was persuaded i could fly (even though Batman doesn’t fly, as I learned later on). Of course that didn’t make it true. But I was persuaded of it. Do you mean I know that I believed in Christ, as long as I am persuaded of it, as I was of my being Batman?

​@@guidolizzi1033 I'm sure you'd agree we can be believe things that are true, and other things that are false. When you believed you were batman, you believed something false. But God cannot lie. What he promises is true. Therefore when Jesus says (John 11): to Martha: "I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live. And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?" Martha replies: "Yes, Lord, I believe that You are the Christ, the Son of God, who is to come into the world." Martha believed what Jesus said. And if she believed it she KNEW that she had what He promised - that even though she would never die. And Jesus doesn't rebuke her or require anything else of her. John in his Gospel tells us why he wrote the book in John 20:30... "And truly Jesus did many other signs in the presence of His disciples, which are not written in this book; but these are written that you may believe that Jesus in the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in His name"

@@garyleemusic And how do you come ro the conclusion that the gospel of John is the only book written to unbelievers? After all, didn’t the same writer say: “The one who commits sin is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning.”? Or “Everyone who has been born of God does not sin, because his seed remains in him; he is not able to sin, because he has been born of God.”? I don’t think I understand now. You mean as long as I am persuaded of Jesus as the giver of eternal life, I’m saved even I still live sinfully? Cuz I don’t really feel like leaving sin behind, know what I mean? Should I just take the stuff Jesus said to Martha, and ignore the rest that John wrote? That stuff scares me.

Hi Guido, I felt very similarly as I think you do. Once I finally realized that discipleship and salvation from hell are different, the Bible made so much more sense. The Bible over and over states that the only condition of eternal life is belief in Jesus (or synonym phrases such as "faith" and "trust"). Discipleship/fellowship with God on the other is very much dependent on our actions. But just as the father in the prodigal son doesn't kick his son out of the family, neither does God. Once we are born again we are eternally secure. I don't have time (nor the knowledge) to address every scripture you mentioned but I'll leave you with a few thoughts: -Paul anticipates your objection in Romans when he says, shall we sin more so that grace may abound? And he replies, certainly not! The question is about should we or should we not continue in sin as believers. We must be able to sin as believers since the book is written to believers, and if we couldn't sin, why even bring it up? -research the audiences and type of literature each book of the bible is. In the epistles notice they're written to the "church", "saints", "brethren", etc... usually in the 1st few verses of those books. John is the only one explicitly evangelistic in nature. Other books are historical narrative poetry, law, etc... Gospel of John: -Audience: unbelieving jews. John explicitly tells the reader that he's writing to convince them that Jesus is the Messiah -number of references to repentance from sin: 0 -over and over states the condition to have eternal life is believing in Jesus (John 3:16; 5:24; 6:35, 47; 11:26) 1st, 2nd, 3rd John, Revelation Audience: are all written to believers in Christ. 1st John explains in the very first paragraph that he's writing about fellowship. -references to repentance of sin in Revelation: 12 This article does a great job of addressing the books written by John and the issue of repentance: faithalone.org/blog/to-repent-or-not-to-repent-johns-doctrine-of-repentance/ If you want to continue the conversation feel free to email me at garylee22@gmail.com God bless!

False. Zero people who believe Jesus died for their sins are on their way to hell. "but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name." John 20:31

@@razzendahcuben some believe but do not have a faith that saves. Some believe and later fall away.

+Darrel Hicks Your comment - "You not save anyway Mattew 10:22) And ye shall be haved of all men for my name's sake : but he that endureth to the end shall be saved. 2 Corinthians 5:10 ) For we must all appear before the judgement seat Christ ; that every one may receive the things done in his body , according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. Philippians 2:12) Wherefore ,my beloved , as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only , but now much more in my absence , work out your own salvation with fear with and trembling" My comment - In the context of Matthew 10 Christians who endure to the end will be saved from being martyred, that is, physical death. Jesus talked about Tribulational age Christians in Matthew 24:1-13, that those Christians who endure to the end will be saved from being martyred. 2 Corinthians 5:10 is not talking about enduring Christians being rewarded with eternal salvation for their performance, BUT it is talking about enduring Christians who will be granted ETERNAL REWARDS for their service in this life. 1 Corinthians 3:10-15 talks about the Judgment Seat of Christ in more detail. Saved Christians can lose rewards at the Judgment Seat of Christ, BUT NOT eternal life which is a free gift that is not of works - Ephesians 2:8-9, Romans 3:20, Romans 3:28, Romans 4:2-6. All saved Christians works in this life will be evaluated and assessed at the Judgment Seat of Christ to determine the gain or loss of ETERNAL REWARDS, not eternal life which is free. The Judgment Seat of Christ is reserved for SAVED PEOPLE ONLY. It is separate from the Great White Throne Judgment reserved exclusively for the UNSAVED ONLY - Revelation 20:11-15. Faithful Christians in this life that lived obediently, and faithfully and did things that have eternal value will be granted with eternal rewards, and for some, the earned privilege of reigning with Christ in the Millennium is granted - 2 Timothy 2:12, Revelation 3:21, and Revelation 2:26. Unfaithful Christians in this life that lived disobediently, and carnally will have their works tested with the fire of Christ's scrutiny at the Judgment Seat of Christ. Their lives, that is, their works had no eternal value and will fail the test and be denied eternal rewards, BUT are still saved because eternal life is a free gift apart from works - Ephesians 2:8-9, Romans 3:20, Romans 3:28, Romans 4:2-6, Romans 9:32, Romans 11:6, Galatians 2:16, Galatians 2:21, Gal ch. 3, Galatians 5:4, Titus 3:5. This is what 1 Corinthians 3:10-15 is talking about: 10 By the grace God has given me, I laid a foundation as a wise builder, and someone else is building on it. But each one should build with care. 11 For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw, 13 their work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each person’s work. 14 If what has been built survives, the builder will receive a reward. 15 If it is burned up, the builder WILL SUFFER LOSS, but YET WILL BE SAVED-even though only as one escaping through the flames. The "gold", "silver", and "costly stones" represents faithful Christian's works in this life that had eternal value, but the "wood", "hay", and "straw" represents unfaithful Christian's works in this life that had no eternal value, but will burn up in the fire used to test it. The "gold, "silver", and "costly stones" symbolize a life of obedience, commitment, perseverance, faithfulness, endurance under trial, etc. but the "wood", "hay", and "straw" symbolizes a life of unfaithfulness, disobedience, carnality, etc. Again, the "burned up" in verse 15 is not referring to the flames of hell, but the "burned up" refers to the works of the carnal, unfaithful, and disobedient Christians in this life that had no eternal value that is burned up when tested with Christ's fiery scrutiny. Their eternal salvation remains intact and untouched, for eternal life is a free gift apart from works - Ephesians 2:8-9, Romans 6:23. In conclusion, UNFAITHFUL Christians in this life who lived disobediently and carnally will experience chastisement in this life from God - Proverbs 15:10, Hebrews 12:5-11, Jeremiah 2:19, and a forfeiture of ETERNAL REWARDS at the Judgment Seat of Christ, but loss of eternal life is NEVER one of the consequences - 1 Corinthians 3:15, 2 Timothy 2:13.

+Darrel Hicks The context of Philippians 2:12 is the apostle Paul exhorting the Philippians to not slack off in their faith in his absence. Paul wanted them to be fired up in their enthusiasm and spiritual fervor in their faith in his absence as well as in his presence. Paul was not saying to "work for" their salvation, but to "work out" the salvation that they already possessed. To "work for" their salvation is a false gospel of works, but the Bible says that salvation is a FREE GIFT that is not of works - Ephesians 2:8-9, Romans 6:23, Romans 3:20, Romans 3:28, Romans 4:2-6, Galatians 2:16, Galatians 2:21, Galatians 3:6, Genesis 15:6. Paul wanted them to stand strong in their faith not just in his presence, but also in his absence. That is the point of Philippians 2:12.

Darrel Hicks : All that waffle and NO mention of the Saving Gospel tut tut

@@randyd9805 I am not disputing that we all sin, but there must be evidence of saving faith. James chapter 2 talks about Rahab protecting Joshua. This is a work that only a Christian can do. She was still a prostitute, leaving prostitution is something that unbelievers can accomplish as well as christians, it is moralism. But protecting somebody because you think they have the true God, as Rahab did, notice that she lied in order to save Joshua and his men when soldiers came to her house, she told them nobody was in their house (she broke the commandment not to bear false witness in order to protect godly men). This is evidence of saving faith. The other example that is given by James chapter 2 of works that are evidence of saving faith is Abraham offering his son Isaac as a sacrifice, this type of work only a believer can do. No unbeliever would sacrifice their son, actually an unbeliever would think that they can never serve a God that asks them to sacrifice a son. Hebrews 11 about faith in action gives multiple examples as well of different people showing their faith by their works. And if you see, it has nothing to do with moralism, practicing prostitutes while off work were eating with Jesus, so it is clear that quitting prostitution is not evidence of saving faith (as we saw with Rahab, God used a practicing prostitute to protect his men, a godly woman in spite of being a prostitute), neither is being productive at work, or being a role model in society (the pharisees were role models), or having good habits (the christians were eating without cleaning their hands unlike the pharisees) etc. Read Hebrews 11 and it will show you works that are evidence of saving faith, and none of the examples has anything to do with obedience to God's commands, specially the second table of the law. Samson went into a prostitute before dying,, David committed murder and adultery, yet both are mentioned in Hebrews 11 as heroes of the faith. So maybe I didn't spell it out clearly, when I said that the faith of a christian always produces good works, I never meant to say obedience to the commandments, because unbelievers and pharisees are in many cases more obedient to God's moral law than christians. Moralism is not christianity, God looks at the heart and the motivation, an unbeliever that is greedy for money and motivated for money or motivated by man's approval, can do a thousand fold the amount of good works a christian can do in the eyes of the world. But all this does not change the fact that fruit of the holy spirit or works pleasing to God always follow faith. Moralism, though, never does. Case in point is this corinthian christian that was sleeping with his mother in law, something that Paul said not even unbelievers did, and boasted about it, yet he was saved and the unbelievers were not.

@@randyd9805 I think once you have trusted in Christ's work for salvation, which only the holy spirit can create that trust, by revealing through God's word that Jesus has fully satisfied the Father and nothing remains for you to do, then it is impossible to forget about God because his imprint about what he has done for us will always be with us, regardless whether we attend church or not. However, people that are trying to please God by their own efforts, are unsure that it is all of Christ and still think they have to do their part, as they fail to achieve the desired transformation by their own efforts will eventually fall off the Church and they will most likely forget about Jesus. Were they ever saved ? Only God knows, some may, some may not, neither they nor us have any assurance that these people ever had saving faith, but some may have, specially if they still believe in Christ as the Son of God, no matter how weak their faith it is my view God will save this people. Now here's the thing about what you say on Christians being overcome or defeated by the flesh, I say this is impossible. Because as Roman 6 says at the beginning a Christian has died with Christ, he has died to sin, other scriptural passages clearly say that we have crucified the flesh with all its affections. Some people give Romans 7 as an example, but Paul clearly states in Romans 7:17 it is not I myself that do it but sin that dwells in me. Now we have to be very clear here, to not confuse outward works with the inward change in heart that God effects on all Christians at the time of salvation. 1 Samuel 16:7 clearly states that the Lord looks at the heart and not outward appearance. The most perfect example is a prostitute, there are godly saved prostitutes like Rahab and the prostitutes that were having meals with Christ or the prostitute that anointed Jesus with the best oil, and there are ungodly prostitutes. So you can never look at a prostitute and say she's going to heaven or hell, because the outward appearance, the profession the woman engages in tells me nothing about her heart which only God knows. So if you think a female prostitute is carnal, it depends, if she's a christian she is saved by God's mercy. Her profession tells me nothing whether she's saved or not, because God does not look at outward works. This is very important, Christ called the lawyers and pharisees whitewashed tombs in Matthew 23:25-28 because on the outside they were perfect, they did all the right works that men admired, helping the poor, having one wife, tithing to the church, raising a family, earning a living honestly, etc. While the prostitutes and tax collectors on the outside appeared completely immoral, but they were holy and godly people on the inside because they had the holy spirit. So when you are talking about carnality, I think that you misunderstand, what in the eyes of man is carnality in the eyes of God is not. The Christian that Paul identifies as carnal in the letter to the Corinthians that was sleeping with his mother, was still a christian, certainly carnal in God's eyes, but was a christian, now he was engaging in some practices that even the unbelievers were not, and was boasting, so he was properly excommunicated, specially because of the boasting, because when you boast of sin there is no repentance, but was invited back to the church later and came back and it appears he was a saved man. However many people that boast about sin are not saved and never come back to the church or think about Christ.

@@randyd9805 And actually I met many people that when I mention Christ they tell me they hate him, and then they tell me they used to be born again believers, some of the biggest haters of Jesus are people that first made a profession of faith, and then left the faith and now hate Jesus. In many cases they left the church because the pastor was abusive or there was a split with the church, which is fine, except that these people now hate Jesus and are on their way to hell.

@@randyd9805 Randy, I agree 100 % with what you wrote as far as radical atheists that claim that at some point in their lives they walked an aisle and said a prayer accepting Jesus into their hearts, but now they realize that Jesus does not exist and are open atheists. Like you said most of these people were never saved in the first place, they were false conversions or false professions of faith. Now I also agree with you that we Christians are simultaneously just (justified) and sinners. This is why we approach God like the Tax Collector, and cry "God have mercy on me a sinner". This is also why we pray in the Lord's Prayer, "Forgive us our trespasses", this is a prayer for Christians yet we are instructed by Jesus to ask God to forsake our trespasses, so there is no doubt we sin. The letter of First John clearly teaches that if we claim we are without sin we make him a liar. Now with that said, I disagree that a Christian can live a defeated life or is defeated or fails, solely because he is in Christ. In Christ is the key, if we look at our actions or works or thoughts or deeds, of course we will always be defeated. However when we look at Christ we know that in Him (not in us) we are more than conquerors, there is no defeat in Christ. Romans 8:31-39 makes this abundantly clear, and in particular Romans 8:37-39 , where it is clearly stated that through Christ we are more than conquerors, there is no trace of defeat, a Christian is never defeated, because if he is defeated then Christ was defeated as well, but Christ was not defeated and neither is the Christian, ever.

@@randyd9805 I think you misunderstood me completely. Re-read my post where I said Christians sin and fail daily, if they look at their actions or works, we are all failures. But Christians are in Christ, so their victory is in Christ, and they can never be defeated, never. They can never fail, they always conquer. All believers live victoriously, because of Christ's victory, to say otherwise would deny Christ's victory at Calvary. You see, the problem with people that teach that some christians have a victorious life and others do not, is that they look at victory in the life of the believer (outside of Christ). There is only one victory (Christ's victory at Calvary), and one victor (Jesus Christ), we should never look at victory in our own lives but in Christ life only, and because through faith we have been grafted to Christ, his victory is our victory. You see this where I so disagree with this free grace movement, they somehow think that victory can be found outside of Christ, so then they say that Christians cannot be victorious always or are defeated or whatever. However, this is a very selfish point of view, instead of looking at Christ's victory over sin at Calvary, they want to look at the lives of believers to find victory. There is no victory and there never will be any victory in lives of believers, the victory is solely in Christ Jesus and his work, we must stop looking at ourselves, because if we look at ourselves then we defeat ourselves. We must look at Christ, and his victory, and be content with his victory. If I could stop sinning I would not need Christ, if I could be personally victorious I would not need Christ. Here are my comment on what you wrote: "You are pulling out certain passages that teach what every single believer has AVAILABLE to them in Christ, but you are wrong in that you assume that means every believer will have that as a REALITY in their practical daily life." You totally misinterpreted, I never said it is a reality in the practical life of the believer, it is only a reality in Christ's life. But this reality God imputes to the believer, so it becomes a reality in the believer's life by imputation, not by infusion of some sort of righteousness into the believer's life. "Jesus said He came not only that we might have life, but that we might have it more abundantly. That doesn't mean that all believers will live an abundant life which would be full of joy, regular answers to prayer, the filling of the Holy Spirit, and the obvious blessings of God on their lives." We can have an abundant life and be full of joy by knowing that Christ is perfect, even though we are sinful, our abundant life is solely based on what Christ's has done on the cross. The abundant life does not mean a huge bank account and a perfect medical exam from a doctor or a nice wife, no quite the opposite the most abundant lives are those plagued by suffering and martydom, and in the case of Peter the epitome of his abundant life was his death by crucifixion to glorify God, in the case of many martyrs the abundant life was being fed to to the lions by the Romans. Every Christian lives the abundant life, but you misunderstand what abundance life means.

+Darrel Hicks You are believing in a false gospel of works.

Do you still sin?

​@@lucashack5318 Do you read the bible?

@@theTavis01 Yeah. The Bible says Jesus saves us. It says anything you try to do to save yourself will nullify grace and you will go to hell. That includes saying "not only must you believe on Jesus to be saved, but you must also live a godly life. " When you add your filthy rags to God's finished work, you won't be saved. Why? Because that means you don't believe Jesus' blood is sufficient enough to save you. You think we must also live righteously. You think you must add your own works. That will get you a one way ticket to hell.

​@@lucashack5318 "You think we must also live righteously." Yeah well, that's what Jesus said, so I'm gonna take His word over yours! Here are the words of the Lord Jesus Christ that you have denied: "For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven." Matthew 5:20 "You think you must add your own works." *_NO_* that's you assuming what I think before I've said anything!! "He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him. Proverbs 18:13 Of course we are saved by grace through faith. We cannot be righteous on our own, that's why we need saving. It is through faith that we are imputed righteousness in Christ. That's why in Romans 3 it talks about "the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe" and there are *_MANY_* other verses which indicate the very same: "He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, that we might *_die to sin and live to righteousness._* By his wounds you have been healed." 1 Peter 2:24 "For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, *_so that in him we might become the righteousness of God."_* 2 Corinthians 5:21 Serious question - why are you looking for excuses to wallow in your sin?

@@theTavis01 I just went back and read my previous comments to see if I was wallowing in my own sin. I don't see where I did that. Now who's the one doing all of the assuming? You assume I wallow in my own sin because I give all the glory to God for my salvation? Interesting. Paul was accused of that. He was preaching faith alone and they accused him of preaching "sin all you want, grace is abound. " smh ... Just because I'm giving God all the glory for my salvation doesn't mean that I just live my life recklessly sinning as much as I possibly can because I'm covered under grace. I wouldn't live long here on earth if I did that because God chastises his children. Let's try this another way. See if this makes sense. The Bible is full of bad people being imputed Gods righteousness through their belief. And it's full of self righteous people who claim to be doing good who are going to hell for their lack of belief. Read that again. Once you realize you have nothing to offer God in your flesh, you'll get it. In closing, ( I'll say this as gently as I possibly can) quit talking out both sides of your mouth. You can't say we must live righteously to be saved, then say we are imputed with Gods righteousness when we believe. Which one is it? Before you respond, go do a study on apostleship and discipleship, and then do a study on eternal salvation. Do a study on "kingdom of heaven" and "kingdom of God". See if those things are different. Start by seeing who Jesus is talking to in Matthew.

with respect, you said - Those people claim to know God, but by their WORKS they deny him ME - that is NOT correct. They were relying on their works to save them. How do we know? Lord, didnt i cast out demons in your name and done many wonderful works?". - its clear they did works for the Lord BUT they did not believe (trust) in the Lord. It is clear they were trusting in themselves (works) to get into heaven. The answer these false prophets (v15) should have given was "Lord, I believed you died and paid for all my sins". Instead what came out of their hearts was "works" and not faith. Romans 4:1-6 - What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found? 2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God. 3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. 4 Now to him that worketh is the reward NOT reckoned of grace, but of debt. 5 But to him that WORKETH NOT, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. 6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness WITHOUT WORKS, 7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. with respect,

Preston Greene A house divided against itself cannot stand. Hebrews 4:2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. James 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also BELIEVE, and tremble. Devils do not have faith. They did BELIEVE, but lacked faith and the obedience that goes with faith that would produce spiritual fruit, which ARE "works"; Titus 2:7 In all things shewing thyself a pattern of good works: in doctrine [shewing] uncorruptness, gravity, sincerity,8 Sound speech, that cannot be condemned; that he that is of the contrary part may be ashamed, having no evil thing to say of you. Titus 3:14 And let ours also learn to maintain good works for necessary uses, that they be not unfruitful. Galatians 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. Ephesians 5:9 (For the fruit of the Spirit [is] in all goodness and righteousness and truth;) 10 Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord. They knew that faith was made apparent by works (as descried in the new testament) So, as Jesus states that they were workers of iniquity, they tried to resort to their good works to be what tipped the scale, but as we know, the Lord says in Revelation 3:15-16 15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. 16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. Jesus knew that they had believed in their heads about who he is, but because their lack of obedience, they refuse to give up their sins, thus relying on their "good works" to make up for them yet living in sin. Matthew 6:24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon. 1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. John 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love. 1 John 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments. Revelation 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. "Go and sin no more" ~Jesus

There are "works" of iniquity, and there are "works" of righteousness. There are fruitless "works" and there are fruitful "works". No "works" earn salvation, but by "works" we will be identified by Christ and by those who are true believers. Matthew 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

Mellomoon Haze you said - They did BELIEVE ME - no they didnt. Believe means "to trust, to put confidence in". IF they believed/trusted Jesus they would have had everlasting life (John 6:47). In other words - they believed He is Lord and that He existed - they NEVER trusted Him - they were trusting in their works (themselves). You quoted - FRUIT as fruits of the spirit. FRUIT is not always fruit of the spirit. How do we know??? 1. false prophets are OUTWARDLY sheep - THUS showing "fruit" (matt 7) 2. satans ministers ARE transformed into ministers of righteousness THUS showing "fruit" (2 cor 11) 3. Even satan presents himself as an angel of light - THUS showing "fruit" (2 Cor 11) OUTSIDE - 1. Jehovah witnesses show "fruit" - not saved 2. Mormons show "fruit" but are not saved 3. Muslims show fruit but are not saved 4. HECK - do you know atheists who show some of these fruit? you know you do. How much fruit was the saved carnal church at Corinth showing with ALL their envying and stiving??? - very little. As with most of the religious "you probably would have said, they are not really saved"? BUT they were. Fruit is this passage is doctrine and the "words" of a false prophet. Luke 6:45 - 45 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his MOUTH SPEAKETH. - 2 ways to identify a false prophet. He prophecies something that does not happen. OR the words he speaks. Thus, you can tell by the false prophets WORDS in Matt 15 that he WAS a "false prophet".-----AGAIN - he never TRUSTED (believed) in Jesus. I KNOW the answer.....but..... to keep the conversation going and to not make this too long........Jesus said - go and sin no more". My question - or what will happen??? second question - have you sinned no more???? with respect,

I do not claim to be "sinless", but also, I do not practice sin, I am NOT a worker of iniquity. When I repented , I did not return to the sins of my ignorance, as the dog to his vomit. I do not lack obedience, as of the present time, and I pray daily that I do not fall into temptation and become disobedient. I abide daily in Christ, and die to myself daily as we need to in order to not be judged by the law as unrighteous. Righteousness is through Christ. Without Christ we are nothing but sinners, because in our flesh we lack the strength. Aside from the vine, we are nothing. Abide in the vine, and you will produce "spiritual fruit" and have the power to overcome temptation. If you are confused about the fruit in a believers life, you need to seek that for yourself. I am not a teacher, but I will contend for my faith. As for those in Matthew 7, they DID believe, or they would not have even trusted in Jesus' name to cast out demons. Their problem was that they were "workers of iniquity" as Jesus said. I addressed "fruit" in a separate post. ... There are "works" of iniquity, and there are "works" of righteousness. There are fruitless "works" and there are fruitful "works". No "works" earn salvation, but by "works" we will be identified by Christ and by those who are true believers. Matthew 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. If someone claims to be one of Christ's and yet practices sin, you know they are not one of his. John 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: What it means to follow Christ....be like-minded, and walk as he walked, without sin. Doesn't mean we will never sin again, just means that if we are walking as he walked, we will not/ can not sin. But yet because we are weak at times, and Satan is always seeking who he may devour, we can stumble and sin. Which is why we are to abide in him and to put on the whole armour of God. To keep ourselves. 1 John 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

Repentance for salvation is the word metanoia. It means change your mind. Go from trusting in what you do to save you, to trusting in what Jesus did to save you. Works to grace. Romans 4:5-8. Romans 11:6 Romans 3:26-28. John 6:47

So are saying we need to repent? Lol....love you Jim

Nope. Fruits and Works are NOT the samething. works is what you do. fruit is was you say. read Matthew 12 to see Jesus call what fruit is. also read Romans 4 that says we are saved by Belief with OUT works. as for Matthew 7 go read the part where Jesus says a Good tree CANNOT bear bad fruit. and a bad tree CANNOT bear good fruit. if fruit was works and what you do. then how come you have still sinned? you have done bad and good after Salvation like all of us. so what tree are you? good tree cannot bear bad fruit. the point is fruit is not works and what you do. its words.

Too bad your mind belongs to your false pastor. 1 John 1:6 King James Version (KJV) 6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: Fruit is what you do and produce. The Pope, a false prophet in sheeps clothing, produces corrupt works. His fruit is Catholicism.

C Shapes actually its the holy spirit that produces the fruit, not us.

C Shapes too bad the devil still has your mind. Animetrickerd is 100% correct, you should re-read what he wrote. Works has NOTHING to do with Salvation. So fruit there when Jesus spoke is profession, not behaviour. "By their profession [which also translates to souls...because the correct profession/doctrine on Salvation is what gets souls into the kingdom], you shall know them". If they say Salvation is "Repent of your sins AND believe on Christ"- THEY ARE FALSE!! You sound super self-righteous trusting in your "oh-so-goodness!"

Avinash Besra You do not know God. I feel very sorry for you. You don't know my heart. I have been born again. If you were a child of God you would rejoice with me in the victory that he has given me... I pray that you will read your Bible and give your heart and life to Him. He's alive.

Avinash Besra I did not repost anything. I am not reprobate. So you think God doesn't save homosexuals? You truly need Jesus.

Steve Roop I am saying that having homosexual lust is a symptom of people who have degenerated too much to the point that they cannot trust in God for their salvation. The Bible calls them reprobates. Normal humans who have not yet rejected God have a limited spectrum of sins they they are tempted with. So either you are an unsaved reprobate infiltrator or maybe you were brainwashed with the homosexual culture.

Steve Roop My original comment was to clarify the fact that living a sinful wicked lifestyle even after you are just saved does not mean that you can lose your salvation. I am not encouraging that people live a sinful lifestyle. If they did, they would be punished by God and also suffer the misery of their sins. As it's said "pleasure for a moment and pain for a lifetime". It has got nothing to do with your salvation. You get that???

Avinash Besra what I get from you is that you think that God winks at sin. He doesn't. Have you been born again? I would think that you would rejoice with me that God has saved me from such sins. I live a righteous life. One that is imputed to me by faith. Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior.... I do not lie and I do not steal and I am no longer a homosexual or drug addict. There's a lot of other things that I do not do as well. I don't live a sinful life. Sin does not have dominion over me. He who the son sets free is free indeed.... Born again. Saved sanctified and baptized with the holy spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues. He lives in me.