Why Science gives more Purpose & Meaning than Religion 

As a teenager you bested all philosophers of all religions? Wow, you are genius. You must be proud.

Is your brain defective?

@@junosoftas a child I realized religion made no sense. 40 years later that understanding has been validated countless times.

@@junosoft No, I was just being honest with myself. Religion was baggage I didn't want to carry around all my life.

Amazing that you put all these philosophers and scholars to shame at such young age.@@kristinadutton3259. Did you read their books as a child or later? You might also want to publish your findings. It will revolutionize the field,

With the amount of sin Christians/theists commit (un)knowingly, I think it is rather bold to think that any of their relatives end up in heaven. But hardly any Christian realizes that and if they do, they live with great anxiety.

@@krembryleFunny coming from someone who doesn’t even believe in sin. No Christian worth their salt is claiming that one cannot sin merely by being Christian. That Christians fail to live up to an ideal says nothing about the veracity of said ideal.

Pretty sad. Now that you "know the truth you think" you have no hope of seeing your parents again or anything but death. As someone who has been on the other side and met God I must lovingly tell you that your WRONG!😉🙏 Forget religion and your pride,logic,reason and believe and "TRUST" Jesus and you are going to be AMAZED at how WRONG you were.💓🙏

@@bookishbrendan8875 Since those sins are by {the believer that it is a sin}, they must live in constant fear that the sin will catch up with them. The non theist knows that there is no heaven/hell to go to so are not worried about it. You are saying the person who has said "those who believe that it is sin but sin anyway can not get to heaven" must be foolish because the also say "there is no heaven", that is that no one can get into heaven.

@@alanhilder1883 I honestly haven’t the faintest idea at what you’re trying to get at, Alan. Yes, Christians live in fear of the wrongs they’ve done. Is this supposed to be a bad thing? I’d say that fear of wrongdoing is a far cry better than no fear of wrongdoing. What I was striking at was the oddity of a nonbeliever talking about the fallibility of those who believe in sin *as if* this somehow makes believing loved ones might yet get into heaven is unwarranted. Christians hope that they and their loved ones will get into heaven. And yes, verily that involves some degree of anxiety as to the fate of their souls. Hence the importance of evangelization and Christian charity. Again, so what? What is the original post I responded to supposed to prove? That Christians care about others and aren’t perfect? How is this a knock against Christianity?

And that my friend is true religion. 🙌🏼

No religion is NOT about surrendering to forces greater than yourself. "Rightousness it the best good. Happiness comes to him who is rightous for the sake of rightousness"- Zoroastrian prayer

@@TheMilitantMazdakite just zip it up…not interested in your indoctrination.

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@@EmilyTienne Satan agrees with you. You want to be God. But you aren't.

I used to be atheist but I'm christian and I've studied most of the world's biggest religions but I'm christian instead, if you want eternal life or if you sin Islam says to do good and to pray 5 times a day others will tell you to do some rituals and also to do good but Christianity is different, you're not just a speck in a univers that was never ment for you and doesn't care whether you're here or not, we are the center of creation in God's eyes you are a priceless joule, you are worth the pain he had to go through so you don't have to, to God you are worth getting his hands and legs pearsed by nails, to God you are loved and you have meaning, you don't have to make it up to him by giving to charity or something, just repent, to repent means to change your mind, to turn away from sin and through him all things are made new, so no matter how far you've strayed away, there's always a way back, and when you return to him, you'll find his arms spread out, ready to hug you as his precious child. If you really want to know, at your own time ask him for a sign, I guarantee you will see something.

Pretty much the same here. And it was until my teens that I realized there are people taking mythology as true and that is every religion, mythology and EVERY RELIGION ACCEPTS ALL OTHERS ARE MYTHOLOGY but NOT their own, how convenient?

Well if you read it with the bronze and Iron Age point of view it can be an enlightening book. But you have to approach it knowing men wrote it not god, real people living within their time and place. It’s a library of stories, poems, songs, and letters that has been translated many times to fit into what was going on at that time.

@@AntitheistHuman "EVERY RELIGION ACCEPTS ALL OTHERS ARE MYTHOLOGY but NOT their own" Actually, no. No serious religion attempts to refute miracles of other religions. Reference Chesterton x Blatchford debate for more information.

@@junosoft false, you can do as many apologetics as you want and that does not change the fact that every religion commands its people to consider their own the ONLY TRUE ONE, that is a fact sir, ask any christian apologist how much time they spend defending Amon-Ra and Osiris? The answer will be "0". Your statement is misinformation, sir.

@@AntitheistHuman A religion which considers itself the ONLY TRUE ONE, (as it should be) will refute the moral and doctrine of other religions, but not their miracles. I don't know what in my post made you think I said they would *defend* the miracles of other religions. I even left a reference for you to search and check out and learn what I was talking about.

@@ContemplativeThinker Interesting. Could you elaborate more?

Quite the assertion.

@@bookishbrendan8875 What is your problem with this statement? Please elaborate.

"Lies sound truthful". No, religion is not a "lie". "Abuse, torture, slavery and murder respectable". Complete projection. The liberal world order is the worst regime I could possibly imagine. ("Liberal" in the traditional sense of the word, I do not mean leftists, I am a member of the FAR left) Voltaire popularized racism. Does that mean that liberalism is racist? (which it is, just not because of that). "Give an apperance of solidity to pure wind". Reasoning is subjective. Deal with it.

Can you please give examples so I can see how good or bad faith you are

Well said.

Yes

False.

Dayum. That’s it folks. This simple witticism single-handedly disproved religion. I bow to your awe-inspiring intellectual magnitude, sir. You truly, truly astound.

@@bookishbrendan8875 ocean man, please dont fry me in a pan, i dont know the rest of the lyrics.

Wow, great strawman.

Physical prescription are subject without further notice but unfortunately 1900s structuralism plagiarizing the old chaldean model of Babylonian evolutionary primordial soup mythology radicalized environment is god ,governed by extreme physical lawisms prescriptions had value but its very human centric lines of thought. One where the human dashboard excersize is judging a book by its cover, industrial revolutionary mindset factory based step by step biases in naturalism believed we would find fundamental building blocks that would be dealt with like statical anylitics was done to newtonian physics but it didn't happen. Now ironically athiestic & theistic naturalism argues for big bang top down evolutionary theory of everything and is in direct opposition to what they originally thought and argued. The pagan minds way of rationalizing the world around us is adopted , mapped and strongly defended lol

Funny how the very movement that begins to argue one thing can become its own opposition. Look at evolutionary biology with dna code ,tiny packs of info hi & low energy Phenotypes, 3 way data transfers and influences in organism. Everything that darwin and lyle argued against is now supposed to mean evolution lol

If no one practiced it, there’d be nothing to study.

@@bookishbrendan8875 We live in a time where testable experiments on every scale is occurring around us. Athens Greece had everything to create a steam engine and bring about the industrial revolution but they can't ask the right questions to do so. Unpacked successful social behaviors like , Prayer logic, asking every possible question that can be asked about a system. Cursed rationalism subtraction of bad questions Blessed common sense invoked positive thoughts to inherent the earth. They found the older source of standardized weights and measurements in it. They explored philosophy and set theory mathematical equations derived from them but they still missed out because they thought they had all the answers already. It took the rise of God given free will epistemology of self practiced by the master of this in issac newton to really put math behind the structuralism of how deterministic simplicity granted value here will push infinite sums of complexity there. Even in catholicism ,orthodoxy, islam, Hindu etc etc these lines of thought share the old chaldean minded structuralism. The deterministic radicalized nature is god, governed by extreme physical lawisms prescriptions structuralism. These have value but like any closed system that's top down , structuralism built by one generation becomes a jail for the next. Physical prescription are subject to change without further notice . Athiestic & theistic naturalism settles. Its stuck in its ways and doesn't like change

@@bookishbrendan8875 if everyone practiced pure Christianity then we learn the ultimate knowing. The universes theory of everything will truly by unveiled in such a unified investigation of reality

Religions are not dogmatic.

​@@TheMilitantMazdakiteoh really 🤣

@@TheMilitantMazdakite Religion is the finest definition of dogma.

@@tiromandal6399 No, it is not. Religion does not tell you what to believe.

@@TheMilitantMazdakite Yea and I can bring back the dead.

In the end it was no more meaningful than that as a bug!

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Is it though? They never even explained or justified the premise. Why would they present a dichotomy where science & religion would be diametrically opposed to each other ? As though they were competing with each other for something, which makes no sense bc they are seperate fields of inquiry & deal with completrly diff subject matter and serve distinctly different purposes. They are not mutualy exclusive, or in opposition to each other. The two are completely compatible with one another and are even complementary. There is no reason why a person would need to decide between the two instead of just embracing both.

@@gregsanich5183 Any specific religion makes truth claims that are incompatible with the data we are gathering through scientific enquiry. Religion tells people how to live, and scientific studies have started to demonstrate that these ways are not the best for society or the individual's happiness (on average). The idea that religion is the only thing that can tell us what's moral (I assume this is what you mean by religion and science being completely different subject matters) is as valid as the old idea that religion is the only thing that can tell us how the world works. From the perspective that religion is false, it cannot tell us anything about morality so we have to look elsewhere. My opinion is that morality is about maximising pleasure and minimising suffering for all consciousness in the universe (or multiverse if you believe that's a thing). We can use science to determine how best to achieve this. You can't let religions claim that something can only be done by them, and just accept that, even if it's largely been accepted for thousands of years.

@@huxleybennett4732 ....? ....are you suggesting that christian values have somehow been demonstrated to not be conducive to an ideal society or a persons wellbeing? Which ones exactly? .....I call bs. Show me this data your talking about, bc theres no way that can be true. Those are the values that our society is based on and our current moral standard come from distinctly theistic presuppositions.

And today, nothing is setting America back more than woke leftism.

No, science and religion can perfectly interlock.

​@@TheMilitantMazdakiteNo it can't.

@@-Thauma- Of course it can. Nothing precludes a believer from acknowledging scientific knowledge. Else there’d be no religious scientists in the world.

​@@bookishbrendan8875 nothing precludes scientists from holding beleifs that might be wrong. The difference is religion holds onto dogmas. Science endevors to weed out human imperfection and get closer to the state of the universe however incomplete or imperfect. Science is a testement to what we can know although we are failable - Brownoski. Religion makes claims that you are not supossed to question. Modern religions have to pretend large tracts of its holy books are not relevant or needed at the time so that modern thiests can ignore that secular society for example isnt cool with stoning gays, people who work on the sabbath, slavery etc. So yes scientists like all humans can believe contradictory thinks but although in principle science could be used to prove or quatify a religion religion has never been able to meet the scientific process.

​@@bookishbrendan8875Guess you've never heard of cognitive dissonance then.

I’m pretty sure a religious person can wonder at the beauty of the cosmos as much as any atheist. The only difference is that their wonder is rooted in gratitude, something for which the atheist cannot possibly have. Also, your caricature of the afterlife is just that, and isn’t even close what many religion metaphysicians have posited over the centuries.

Hahah, that’s a very slow and boring movie lol

That doesn't really work. I mean religion basically promises only ever lasting life, and science is unlikely to deliver that. I'm surprised that you got 17 likes. Sorry, I'm not trying to troll.

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Right. Except that the most scientifically advanced nations have the highest rates of suicide and depression. “Science delivers” indeed.

Only our hell is supercharged with radioactive fire.

Except you are lying. Science cannot deliver meaning, purpose, or anything spiritual or significant to the ultimate questions. Science is like a tool in the toolbox. Works great within it's limited scope.

Religion NEVER gave me comfort! It was very mentally abusive with its lies! Christianity did NOTHING good in my life but keep me around bigoted, judgmental, hateful people.

Do you have faith in science? Surely you mean trust. Otherwise, science becomes another religion. Science exposes the ridiculousness of religion and exposes that many of the ancient writers suffered from a range of mental disorders, including schizophrenia, manic depression, auditory visual hallucinations, and more.Shalom and G'day. Am yisrael chai!. Don't forget many sought death through " suicide by proxy " :) 😊

Most people who claim to "believe in science" are actually very scientifically illiterate. And most of them also, subscribe to political ideologies that are very unscientific and lack critical thinking -- and I strongly suspect you fall into that category.

Me too! Almost feels like our brains are evolving to eliminate that non sense.

You are almost certainly above average as well as wired for skepticism.

At age four it was explained to me that there was no Santa Claus. My older sister was the one who convinced me there was a Santa Claus but then broke it to me that there wasn't one. At age 4 after telling me there was no Saint Nick she proceeded to tell me there was a sky daddy instead. Skeptically I rejected that claim. All of the adults were waving their hands in the air about sky daddy but it sounded like a Santa Claus story to me and I rejected it. The adults who were really crazy about sky daddy were the creepiest of all. So yeah, I've been an atheist my entire life even though both of my parents consider themselves to be Christians.

You made up your mind about something like God at the age of seven? Methinks that’s a bit hasty, don’t you?

@@bookishbrendan8875 yes, but its good enough of a age. Its not wrong or right. But it is morally right. (Refer to your book containing the horrible sides of religion, mostly catholism)

No, religion is not mythology, as reasoning is subjective, and has caused no harm. Everything supposedly the fault of religion is the fault of the west's global imperialist order.

And we need to also expose the harm done in the name of woke leftism.

@@johnnastrom9400 Being "woke " means being aware of the truth. If you are not woke you are asleep.

@@tomsawyer8525 -- No. It means conforming to identity politics and other bullsh*t of the radical left.

Any evidence.

​@TheMilitantMazdakite "Any evidence" 🤦‍♂️ Use your brain ffs

Especially when you describe God in such simplistic terms. Most people are not philosophical, including religious fundamentalists and atheists like you.

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I believe the average human being is TaylorMade to be a slave. It's just baked in 🤷‍♂️...

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What is this bad process you speak of?

@@bookishbrendan8875 Accepting and conjuring claims based on dogma, usually religious dogma. The anti-vaxxers and flat-earthers have a similar process.

@@bookishbrendan8875 Look into Epistemology. How we know what we know. Notice that science is Empiricist and religion is Rationalist (sometimes called Dogmatist). Specifically, the "bad process" is the assignment of truth to a proposition, without evidence.

No, that is not how reasoning works. Reasoning is subjective. DEAL WITH IT!!!

@@scienceexplains302 No, that is not how reasoning works. Religion is not based on dogma, and reasoning is subjective. DEAL WITH IT!!!

Well said and good points! I agree the music Imagine too! When I woke from Bible 2020 during Covid and seeing war happen in Europe and recent one at ME, I was mentally down wondering if I should go back to religion or a God, but one day what helped me to feel relief was listening to Imagine! Not praying to something invisible. Just listening this music let me understand what humanity actually needs.

the problem is, you've kinda forgotten that even nowadays they'll be new religions poppin up into existence or rather how that'll happen.. i mean, it basically starts with a group of people having lived through suffering, being deperate for change for decades, not only for their own life but the coming generations.. and within this pool, rituals and doctrins will emerge.. you might not see it as a very early form of religion, but in my eyes, i would count conspiracy theories and new age beliefs towards what i said..

Political dogmas are also dangerous. Look at Karl Marx. His ideas brought over 100 million people to their death in the 20th century, including 1/3 of the country of Cambodia that were complexly wiped out because of Communism. So Marxism/Communism/Socialism is also a religion.

Dude, the things that "religion tries to control" are either what was taboos in the culture.

Our reality is dependant on imperfection. Perfection is stagnant.

“There is no such thing as perfect in this world. That may sound cliché, but it’s the truth. The average person admires perfection and seeks to obtain it. But, what’s the point of achieving perfection? There is none. Nothing. Not a single thing. I loathe perfection! If something is perfect, then there is nothing left. There is no room for imagination. No place left for a person to gain additional knowledge or abilities. Do you know what that means? For scientists such as ourselves, perfection only brings despair. It is our job to create things more wonderful than anything before them, but never to obtain perfection. A scientist must be a person who finds ecstasy while suffering from that antimony.”- Mayuri Kurosutchi the Mad Scientist. The concept of perfection is stifling and limiting we should never strive to be perfect, only to be better than what came before us.

A more intricate and complex machine such as the living being you will never see. The functions of cells, organs, DNA, it's language and instructions, impossible to even imagine how it could come about without guidance and intelligence, and yet the evolution protagonists would have you believe it could all happen given enough time, just by accident. Perhaps an evolution believer thinks the infinite monkey and typewriter theory has a good chance of reality too.

A more intricate and complex machine such as the living being you will never see. The functions of cells, organs, DNA, it's language and instructions, impossible to even imagine how it could come about without guidance and intelligence, and yet the evolution protagonists would have you believe it could all happen given enough time, just by accident. Perhaps an evolution believer thinks the infinite monkey and typewriter theory has a good chance of reality too.

A more intricate and complex machine such as the living being you will never see. The functions of cells, organs, DNA, it's language and instructions, impossible to even imagine how it could come about without guidance and intelligence, and yet the evolution protagonists would have you believe it could all happen given enough time, just by accident. Perhaps an evolution believer thinks the infinite monkey and typewriter theory has a good chance of reality too.

Not with the atomic bomb it wasnt.

No, religion has NOT caused ANY harm. PERIOD!

@@TheMilitantMazdakite ... have you ever heard the tragedy of catholics+

Bullshit. Religion is NOT DOGMA! Also, your children are being brainwashed in their schools every single day. I intend to raise my children Mazdakite, to undo that indocrination. When they think of the "enlightenment" anyone with a heart or a brain would think of slavery, imperialism, the holocaust, and capitalism

Both of those are bullshit. Zoroastrianism is explicitly humanist, teaching that it is humanity that decides weather or not good or evil wins, and raising a child religiously is no differint to raising in any other idealology. I WILL raise my children Mazdakite, as I need to undo the Ahr*manic empire's (Which is redundant, as all empires are Ahrimanic) indoctrination that exists in the "public schooling system". I need to teach my children that the peak of human enlightenment was in the neolithic era, and early copper age, before the rise of the Ahrimanic empire.

Cool, but I hope you're actually learning.

@@rimbusjift7575no need for hope. You can find the solution on your own. That’s the point of science, to find the answer without simply remaining content with a guess. That isn’t to say science has all the answers, but it has answers and how you digest those answers is up to you, you can see them as material and benign, or you can see the wonder in what is the material, you can see it as the universes way of understanding itself vicariously through us as we are part of it.

@@rimbusjift7575 Everyday.

@@rimbusjift7575 Daily.

But all of what you just mentioned doesn't require religion. It is good that you chose to make a net positive from religion but there are plenty that that cause tremendous harm based of their religious beliefs. I know you say that you don't see any Atheists volunteering in the places that you do, well that could be due to a number of factors. One is that if one or two are there they may just pretend so that they don't get that weird look that you get from christians when you tell them that you are not a believer or they could just avoid the places that church people volunteer and just volunteer elsewhere. I myself as an Agnostic Atheists don't do any volunteering but I'm always helping others in their time of need I'm always committing selfless acts of kindness, but my reason for not volunteering is due to not having the time to do so. Another point is that you may see less people like myself self volunteering because we know that there are a lot of you guys out there in the trenches holding it down and we greatly appreciate it. It is all for the betterment of our shared world!

You ALMOST made sense until the next to the last sentence.😮 ​@@kelvinhooks9399

They're ego. If they can just convert 1 Atheist. lol -Ex-Christian

There is only ONE truth. And faith is not the way to get there.

@@18dot7 The truth is a person: Jesus the Messiah. Nobody comes to him except by the grace and power of the Father moving in their lives. Fortunately, he moves in every life, drawing people to his light and love. He offers the life eternal to all. This is a direct experiential reality, not just ideas. Faith is not blindness. Everyone has it and uses it all the time. What matters is where we put it: self, other men and their inventions, or God our Father and his beloved Son the Lord Jesus.

@@stephenbailey9969"The truth is a person" A person cannot be an abstract concept. Are you somewhat mentally challenged? And the rest of your babble-what is that about? Your delusion? What would you think of someone from another religion spouting such nonsense? Would you suddenly believe in their twisted mythology? No? Then why do you think I would care about your imaginary friend? Hmm? You are talking about magical beings as if they were a reality-which they are not. And no words will talk them into existence.

Bullshit. What we need to do is destroy capitalism. Religion has caused NO harm at ALL.

Can you explain what you mean by “provider of life”, please?

@@robinharwood5044 A supplier.

Humans inherently are spiritual beings, we love mythicism and ghost stories, that's why Santa Claus, and ultimately, deities are so attractive to people. Spirituality can be the joy of knowing how wonderful actually our universe is, from the smallest particles, how natural forces work and what those capable of gives the same wonderful feelings just as any unicorn, or UFO stories.

@@jhonvoyage2564 But the term spiritual usually means something non physical or outside our 3 spatial and 1 temporal dimensions. That is why I was wanting clarification of the term used in the video. Is it being used as a psychological term and not one of supernatural. I am not even sure supernatural is the right word but I think most get what I am asking.

@@bobbywise2313 The definition of the word today is something outside of materialism, but when you talk about it as a feeling is what matters, to me personally. But it's just a subjective opinion, the consensus about it is that you have described.

Give yourself more credit, man. If you studied or practiced science for a bit, you'd be able to follow the methodologies people put forth in papers and check their conclusions. That's the point; the conclusions were drawn from observations, scientists aren't just saying things and expecting everyone to take them at face value.

@@ApelikeAltruism Spoken like a true believer. Google "replication crisis." M.S. Materials Science, btw. 15 years in the lab. Everybody makes shit up but it's smart and subtle. They have to to get published and keep grant money in the trough.

​@@tobymichaels8171 I'm going to make this really simple for you. There's no such thing as two exact items. So even 2 + 2 = 4 is still not exactly correct. Example: 2 carrots plus 2 more carrots do not equal 4 carrots. In order for that to be true each carrot would have to be exactly the same down to the atomic level. So the more accurate answer would be: 1 carrot + 1 carrot + 1 carrot + 1 carrot, equals = a bundle of various items that appear to be as a carrot. The true answer is never 4 carrots. I'm saying this to say that, of course science can't replicate anything, because that would be impossible. And all things are subjective and based on beliefs.

You might assume that. I’m not sure.

@@robinharwood5044 I don't assume that

That's funny as hell... the other hell. lol

@jumpjack7141 No.

@jumpjack7141 "the truth the Bible has the most evidence of about any history book" you made that statement out of your butt literally

@jumpjack7141 also "scientists are caught up in their feelings" that's what deadhead apologists would say, nothing but bullshit

@jumpjack7141 you have made no point sir. You are bullshitting

@jumpjack7141 tell me how old is the Earth sir?