“Disgraceful!” LBC callers react to doctor strikes | LBC 

Many years ago I briefly worked in NHS as a service provider. The company I worked for provided a service to the NHS for £13.50 per patient, per appointment. Except the bill never got to the NHS, it went to some 3rd party "Management" company, who then passed the charge onto the NHS at £80 per patient, per appointment. The NHS isn't wasting money on care and staff, but Government contracted 3rd party "Management" companies. Now that is "disgraceful".

ITS NOT 35% PAY RISE. Despite what Nick would have you believe. If someone steals 35% of your possessions, then you demand it back, they aren't GIVING you anything. They are RETURNING.

Apparently the argument is that the doctors' work is so important they can't expect to receive high pay for it.

Its about time the government paid doctors and all medical staff a wage that is worthy of their service to us all, simple

It's okay for Tory MP's to get second jobs for £10K per day, and for SUNAK to give MILLIONS for privet dodgy PPE contracts, but it's apparently not okay for doctors who save lives daily to have have a wage that matches inflation?

Doctors, nurses and all their medical staff deserve every penny.

What is Nick Ferrari’s salary and how would he justify it being many times what a Dr in the NHS is paid?

It’s funny how the water companies execs can receive environmental bonuses for dumping raw sewage in our waterways and seas but we can’t give pay rises to nhs staff

Honestly think the only thing that’s disgraceful is the fact they’re on £28K a year when they’re literally working weekends, nights, bank holidays and Christmas! If something goes wrong, people lose lives. We need our doctors to be highly motivated, well-funded, and well-staffed (which we get when the NHS provides a competitive pay offer to attract the best and brightest and stop them leaving to Australia!)

It's strange how there's always plenty of money when the government want to do vanity projects like hs2...

Why are toris worried about, the £350 million a week we getting after leaving EU should be able to pay for it 😎

It’s funny that there’s always money for shareholders but not enough to pay the hard workers .

14 quid an hour for a junior doctor??? What world are we living in? 🤨

I remember a red bus which was driving around the country for the Tories and there was a promise written on it, sadly I cant clearly remember what it was but Iam can remember something about weekly, £350 million and for NHS. Ohh well, maybe Iam just imagining things. After all, Iam still waiting for the prosperity on a level that was unimaginable in 2016. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Austerity has come home to roost guys. The tories have cut public services to the bone. The people who work within said public services and their unions are rightly going on strike for better pay and working conditions. Tory cuts have gone too far.

This is the result of 44 years of lava(tory) policies.

This Is Going To Hurt by Adam Kay should be compulsory reading or viewing, especially for those who don't think junior doctors are worth a pay rise that will bring back to their pay levels in 2008. Sadly government ministers and the right wing press are still gas lighting the public about this issue.

Nick farrari is puppet for the tori in lbc

could someone please explain inflation to ferrari? HYPOTHETICALLY, if a junior doctor was being paid 40p an hour in 2010 and a tin of heinz beans was 40p in 2010 then in an hour a doctor could buy one tin of beans. if the tin of beans is now £1.20 and wages haven’t changed then it would take 3 hours work to buy a ton of beans. that’s effectively a pay cut of 66%

This is very simple market economics. Supply and demand gives a price: if the price isn’t paid, supply does not meet demand. When the government says they’re not prepared to pay doctors more, they’re ensuring that we don’t have enough doctors.

It's disgusting that junior doctors expect a 35% pay raise after seeing their wages stagnate for over a decade. They expect a handout from the government. Who do they think they are? Michelle Mone? Yes, should point out that was sarcasm.

Nick brushing off a totally valid argument because "people are dead since then" is disgusting behaviour

Paying the doctors the increase they deserve and then this will entice more doctors to the profession and retain the doctors who are there. Last year the NHS paid 3 billion for locum doctors. To pay the 35 % would cost 1 billion. Economic sense.

I’m in a much better position than all of these junior doctors, and I worked in a factory for all of my adult life up to now. 14 quid an hour, is a joke that’s not even funny.

14 pounds an hour, is that a joke?

I hope Nick goes on permanent extended leave

Lol @ Nick "A ridiculous payrise - It's a brutal job - People die so forget the massive achievement of an underfunded health service doing the best with the bin bags they had" Staff died Nick, Don't expect you've ever been forced into that position, closest you got is probably the all too tempting haribos in the staff break room.

This is a great video to demonstrate Ferrari’s utter lack of humanity.

I was having a really nice day just back from my dad's and then walking my dog, then Nick Ferrari spoke straight sewage and now I'm sick to my stomach. I feel ashamed and disgusted that LBC not only allow him to say such vile things but to put up a clip of it afterwards and not have anything saying how they disagree with what he says. These heroes put their lives on the line to save, care and protect us and should we ever move on and forget their sacrifice as Nick suggests then we should hang our heads in shame at the deplorable, contemptible and dishonourable state of our nation.

How DARE people demand to be paid what they're worth! Such blatant disrespect! Don't these people know there are billionaires in this country that NEED new yachts?! Disgraceful.

This is government cutting funding over the last 13 years, trying to shift blame onto the staff, ie the doctors nurses etc is ridiculous. Gaslighting at its best.

Like every other student they still have to pay off their university fees.

All public sector workers have been having basically paycuts for the last 10 years except mps who's pay has risen nearly 30% that is a disgusting statistic and they should be ashamed 😑

The government want as many doctors and nurses to leave the NHS and either go into the private sector or head to Australia where the pay is much better. The only way the Tories can sneak the privatization of the NHS past a supportive public is to run it into the ground. The same Tory voters who are against junior doctors and nurses going on strike have no problem with them leaving to a much poorer country like Australia where the pay is much better.

No matter where you go, medical staff is not paid their fair wage. Also, there has been inflation on all money types and there needs to be a pay increase reflective of that. Support of their strike from the US! ✊

I'm guessing the last presenter is Tom Swarbrick? Don't know much about him other than he worked for Theresa May and it showed! If you've lost 35% of the value of your remuneration over 10 years I personally don't think it's unreasonable to ask for a 35% increase. If it is unreasonable then it's also unreasonable to have your remuneration diluted to that extent over time. Even so it's an opening gambit as part of a hoped for negotiation as I understand it. Anybody remember the John Pilger report on our NHS, comparing it to the insurance based service provided in the USA where patients are apparently dumped on the street to free up bed space if they can't pay? His warning was stark and we now see the Tory plan unfolding before our eyes promoted by the likes of John Penrose the husband of a certain Dido Harding, remember her? The Junior Doctors are the future of our free at the point of delivery health care should it survive but they are migrating en masse abroad, Aussie and New Zealand are main beneficiaries. Why not press the government to restore the proper rate for the job instead of rounding on the very people we were all applauding not so long ago? As I say, I don't know Swarbrick but I suspect he believes he is immune from a failed NHS. He needs to think on!!

People talk about 35% increase as though it is insane. To put it into perspective, the 35% increase in pay would simply bring them back up to where junior doctors' pay was - in real terms - in 2008. All it is doing is factoring the years and years and years of inflation. The UK economy has grown in the last 15 years (GDP has increased since then). So... why is it we suddenly can't afford to pay our doctors as much in real terms as we used to? Pay the doctors what they are worth!

Surely a Doctor should be paid more than an MP? After all Doctors do something useful for our society. And they don't do second jobs for profit and favouritism and they are not corrupt like Tory MP's.

Fun fact: Things cost money. 👍🏻

£192,006.32 that's what my MPs spent on expenses in Stoke on Trent 2021-2022 how are people that saves lives on less than the MPs spend on expenses.....EXPENSES ffs

Striking should be applauded in every way, if you don’t fight you lose. . Just shows how soft UK people have become . I am embarrassed to say i am from this country

Doctors have 5 years' student loan debt to pay, and then all the indemnity insurance, pay for further training, pay for exams, pay college fees for which ever specialty they want to go into, and that amounts to thousands of pounds a year.

The more you put in the NHS the more is wasted.

I think the public is also taken for a cash cow.

Dr's shouldn't be allowed to work in private hospitals.

Just make it clear a junior doctor is every level below consultant!

Let’s add all other public sector workers into the mix who’ve seen a 30% real world cut in the last decade. Then the ridiculously low interest rates and unobtainable housing. Broken system.

Unfortunately, for you guys, your Drs are leaving the UK and coming here to 'Straya' - your loss, our gain. Thank goodness, we've dodged a bullet: recently we got rid of both our Federal conservative government and the NSW conservative government as our health services were going in the same direction as the NHS under your Tory government.

I’ve never seen a poor doctor.

As a medical student whose hair is literally falling out from stress, I agree. This process is gruling beyond what I could have comprehended before I entered this degree. I've never felt worse about myself.

When you include the pension, how do NHS not contribute to their pensions ? How does it compare with other public service pensions? How does it compare with MPs ?

What happened to the hundreds of thousands of pounds saved every week from leaving the EU? Weren’t they supposed to go to the NHS?

Negotiation by media works only one way: in support of government. Quote a massive number and say it's unaffordable. When we look at the even more massive numbers spent on failed PPE and a non-existent test and trace system, on arms for Ukraine, on consultants hired by government, we get perspective, which conveniently the media ignores. This morning I read that 40% of newly-trained doctors leave the NHS. The government's lazy and blatant excuse: the majority stay. If you were managing an economy and had 40% of key workers leaving; would you expect to be fired?

It's embarrassing when our health workers going other countries. The government don't care as long as they could get health workers from India, Bangladesh and other commonwealth countries. They call that tightening immigration. This clearly make the Tory voters 🎉🎉😂😂 HAPPY

The reason that workers need a high percentage pay rise is because this tory government has been underfunding for more than 13 years.

NHS is having to pay 3 times what the requested rise would cost on agency staffing, because of problems retaining staff on the current pitiful pay rates.

what is lbc salary ??? an mp is on £45 an hour plus expenses , a cabinet minister is £60 an hour plus expenses both have acces to very cheep top notch meals and after milking the public purse a very lucrative seat on a mates board .

If we do not pay enough then we get a shortage of staff. This is a simple fact. We diminish the number of medical staff and we just boost the private sector, a sector that is driven by profits, not service.

The junior doctors have got their tactics wrong but the conditions they work under, including excessive hours, unchanged for over half a century, need to be addressed. Otherwise they will continue to vote with their feet and work in other countries. The nhs is rapidly collapsing and politicians do not care.

It's really all about the government refusing to give a starting point for negotiations to begin. The doctors are looking at 35%, but the government have offered nothing. If the government were to put, say, 10% on the table, the doctors would probably settle for 15-20%.

Keep going Mr Meldrew. Get it all off your chest! 😂

Should we be tipping Doctors when we actually see them?

The second radio host did not have any useful contributions to this. Everyone else did though

Maths: What is 35% of £14 an hour? Heroes every NHS doctor. Maybe Michelle Monies can donate 27 M to the NHS?

Guy at the end wasn't wrong. Why are their over time hours included in their earning potential? Anyone can work days and nights.

I did an electrical job for a nhs medical equipment supply company, the bloke that owned it told me he buys these tools, syringes etc cheaply and charges the nhs a a lot of money.

Sort out the tax system, stop all the semi legal ways of getting the better of of our tax system, I'm a pensioner and would certainly pay more taxes if called upon, having seen recently how nursing staff and doctors how hard they work to keep up with demand in hospital is staggering and all done with a smile and courtesy.

5:13 Pensions? That's for when the doctors retire, decades from now. We are talking about their needs today! Ridiculous argument.

We must clearly state "The Conservative government", when referring to their actions to harm the NHS.

I think emphasis needs to be made that this is in England, not the other countries within the UK.

Pay all public sector workers a 10% raise. We have lost 20-30% and need it back

what are these lbc hosts on i would love to know#

The acid test for any job or profession as far as adequate pay is concerned is simply "do people want to do the job?" The NHS is unable to attract enough recruits, healthcare professionals are leaving in increasing numbers and there are well over 100,000 unfilled vacancies in the NHS as a whole. This will not change until pay reaches an appropriate level. It also concerns me that Labour do not seem to be proposing much in the way of a solution. Funded degree courses and training, which is one of the few policies we have heard from them will attract people sure, but how many will graduate and go abroad or get a job in the NHS only to leave when reality sets in?

GP's aren't Junior Doctors and aren't even directly employed by the NHS. GP surgeries are basically private companies that sub-contract for the NHS and the GP Partners have to make a decision between providing more services or making more money. Scrap that model. Bring GP services back into direct NHS control, which would save money AND enable GP surgeries to be open 7 days a week. And let's not forget how much Agency GP's get for providing Out Of Hours services, with some earning over £1000 in a single night shift - which it is safe to assume doesn't include the additional fees the agency charges the NHS for them.

From a prospective of having lived abroad for the last 35 years, I find it unbelievable that Doctors are paid so poorly. I have a son in Medical school here in Canada and a nephew in medical school in the uk. The difference in wage prospects is phenomenal. Both are publicly funded systems. I work in an allied healthcare field. I remember a lecture given on finance in my final year. A net( after tax) income comparison was done between the average plumber, leaving school at 16 and the average dentist. It took to close to the age of 40 before the total net earnings were higher. The length of time and the hours, unbelievably long hours it takes to progress beyond the junior Dr stage are astronomical. They should be paid appropriately. You want to attract the brightest and the best.

we found the money for 2 aircraft carrier and a bunch of F35s, i wonder how much their upkeep is

The country is being milked . Only those on the monopoly game board getting the cream.

You’re completely wrong because they do make money from the doctors wages because they get to put all over the front of the newspapers that the doctors are on strike because of low wages. But I get your point, you just worded it very wrong.

You don't say.... and what do we do about it? Nothing

Enough is enough. The Tories have cut and cut, and promised jam tomorrow since 2010. The rich have got richer and the rest of us have been told to wait. It’s the perfect storm. 13 years of pent up anger and the arrival of high inflation.

It's erosion of pay differentials. MPs get their pay set for them so they never need to ask. No real terms erosion there. With the 5% loss in GDP since Brexit the cupboard is bare.. Thanks for the lies that led people astray. Rejoin.

They are not paid by the hour? They get a salary plus overtime. And extra for weekends

What people on the right don't seem to be able to grasp is that doctors have very transferable skills. Skills that take years to acquire and that are in demand across the world. If these doctors are pushed too far then they could quite easily say enough is enough and take those skills abroad to countries that just might appreciate them more. It's all very well the government saying they plan to train more doctors but when people hear the pay and terms and conditions that the current group have to work under just what is their motivation to even begin to be trained? The Conservatives are only interested in privatising the NHS through the backdoor because they know if they were honest about their intensions then they would be voted out of office.

Financial austerity has NEVER worked. The human cost of strangling consumer revenue is always more costly than any theoretical slowdown of the economy. The Uk has a FIAT currency. Its revenue is not created through taxes, it is created digitally as the government spends it. Modern governments spend huge chunks of money at a time. The system simply would not work if governments had to wait for tax revenue to trickle into the treasury, have deductions extracted on a case by case basis, before rolling the balance into consolidated revenue. There are zero reasons why the Uk government does not index government services to match real world demand. It is not inflationary because institutions do not spend their revenue in the retail market. Wages and salaries to employees and contractors, act as a buffer against financial shocks, and income and sales tax serve as a spending brake. But there are no automatic checks and balances on board rooms. It is systemic supply bottle necks caused by Brexit, large institutional spending and currency speculation, that cause inflationary shocks. Concentration of wealth is the major cause of inflation.

Just pay them

Nick Ferrari - how patronising!

IF people really want to AGREE with the notion that 'jobs' should all vary on value ..ie a doctor is worth more than a nurse and a nurse is worth more than a cleaner...then all pay differences should be worked out on 'fixed' percentage differences and then any increase for one results in an increase for all therefore always maintaining the same values given to the respective 'jobs'

35% is around the level (in real terms ) that doctors & other public servants pay has decreased by since 2010 ( including care workers, bin men, social care, railway etc, all of which were clapped as hero's not so long ago ) pay them properly out of the estimated £150 BILLION per year lost to tax evasion/avoidance, by the top 2% of earners and ftse100 corporations. For the record, 1980 healthcare spending was around 6% of gdp. it is now less than 4% in gdp so don't let them kid you that health care is properly funded

Young people going into medicine are the fools as no one cares if they make a decent wage these young people should go into careers which pay well

Mp's can find the money for gigantic expenses claims and consistent pay rises for themselves but can't pay doctors even close to what they're worth. Let's swap the salaries and benefits of mp's with those of junior doctors and see how fair the mp's find it.

Yes buy this & USA government

Mo money mo problems

Just rely on the remainer play book and bring in cheap foreign workers to fill the vacancies.

Eliminate tax, employee NI and employers NI for NHS workers. Keep the NHS budget the same. Automatic ~20% pay rise for staff, and a effective ~10% increase in health spending. Pay for it by trimming the defence budget. We are part of NATO FFS, we do not need to be spending so much on defense. Collectively NATO has more firepower, defense spending, and troops than the rest of the world combined.

Nick needs to realise that 35 % is negotiable wage thats what you do you negotiate ! The government has to come up with a number then negotiate ! The government not come up with anything ! Personally I think 35 % to low how much is a human life worth after all

They must only keep Nick in the name of 'fair and balanced journalism', surely?

Don’t know who to believe what to believe, but things aren’t right

We should ration NHS care to prioritise non Brexit voters and non conservative voters

LBC truing their best to help the Tory's here

My wife was due to have a hysterectomy to have a cancerous tumour removed it was cancelled a week before due to the 4 day strike and no idea when her surgery will be, and were worried if there is another strike her cancer will be growing...these strikes are killing innocent people.