2 Important Debates | Jared Moore Vs. Doug Wilson, William Wolfe Vs. James Lindsay | with AD Robles 

AD's idea for atheist church brought back memories for me. My father began taking his family to the Ethical Society a few years before he passed away in the late 60's. This was truly an atheist church (that still exists). I was taught evolution in Sunday school (I didn't buy it.) And I saw Gloria Stienem speak there. Praise God that he had other plans for me after a winding road through the New Age movement, I met Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior.

Love the definition. I’m not a globalist. I’m not a tribalist. I see the Bible supporting Nationalism. And the next step is pagan or Christian as far as culture and laws, etc. And that’s a no brained. Awesome.

Voddie Baucham has some very interesting things to say about homosexuality. He really presses in on the misnomer of "orientation", and goes into the historical and deliberate effort to normalize homosexuality. Check out the book After the Ball, and the article the Gay Manifesto.

A man of distinguished taste, old school charm, tobacco and leather, and that postmil hope!

BRANCH COVIDIANS!!! That phrase alone was worth the price of admission, Pastor Joel!

Great points, guys, much appreciated!

They way you feel about Lindsay, I feel about Shapiro/Crowder/Peterson/Prager. They may have been helpful like Deborah for a time, but we want to go much, much further.

We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ. 2 Cor 10:5

You said “I agree with late Doug Wilson” and I thought he died. Freaked me out man.

Very good discussion.

The thing about what Doug said is that it wasn't wrong back then. That's what he said. The reason why he won't say it again is because people misunderstand him, not because he was saying something wrong. He did nothing wrong.

LOVE LOVE LOVE THE NEW STUDIO PS JOEL!! VERY CLASSY!! 👏👏👏

1:10:35 You are such a charismatic and knowledgeable pastor.

AD was golden in this discussion. Amen brothers.

Great to see 2 of my faves together! Also Joel i think your lighting is still to dark, it's hard to see what's behind you and maybe the lighting needs to be more consistent? And AD you have too much lighting, we can see what is behind you 😇😉🤣

John Owen “On Temptation” would be good to read on this subject. Vol.6

Love these two men. Great conversation. Thank you for your ministry Pastor Joel, you are truly making an impact.

This was a great discussion, and I’m glad I finally got around to watching it. I have a few thoughts; I think they are in reverse of chronological order, so I hope that’s not confusing. -Least important first, Joel, a misnomer is something that has been miss-named. Its that simple. It does not mean a fluke or anomaly. -To the point you were making about why it isn’t inconsistent to condemn “street epidemiologists” and praise street preachers-I think I see the logical point you were making, but the simpler answer is that it isn’t inconsistent to see them differently because God sees them differently. -Last question comes back to the concupiscence debate. Since you say you line up with Moore, I wonder if you believe that it is possible for a Christian who has repented of homosexual desires to meet that temptation and have victory over it - or is the fact that it is still a temptation, in and of itself, a sin? This is where Moore’s position seems weak to me.

Michael O prefers pluralism(polytheism) too

I am still chewing on this. I think this debate hits on a lot of deep theological questions that go beyond the sin of sodomy. Is there a difference between being tempted and sinning? What then does it mean when the Bible says that Jesus was tempted in every way as us but without sin? I'm not poking the bear, I am legitimately chewing on these questions. Thank you for the content you provide. It is a blessing.

Re:"James needs to feel uncomfortable" - he clearly is. I think he really wants there to be some way for the standard to return to a vaguely "reasonable" center without being bound to the implications of having a standard. I'm also not convinced he is being careful to define "Christian Nationalism" or listen to its proponents' actual positions, but hey, neither are lots of people.

Be careful to not make Megan Basham y’all’s “Deborah.” But great content, thank you for speaking boldly on this.

Where can I watch the Lindsay and wolfe debate?

Hey Joel @Right_Response_Ministries, I appreciate the commentary. Just got done with the Moore/Wilson video. I disagree that Wilson was saying quite what you said of this sort of whittling down from 15 seconds to just 1 second of lust. His point repeated was a scenario where a believer is repeatedly/continuously denying the temptation until removed from the situation. Wilson's point, that I agree with while affirming all the other Reformed doctrines, is that such a believer obeyed Christ and denied the original sin of their flesh, only by the sanctification of the Holy Spirit. I have to affirm the effective grace of the Holy Spirit who allows the born again to not commit sin in any given decision, in spite of our original sin.

I'm so glad I found y'all. I went to a theonomy conference/debate with Jeff Durbin about 9 years ago. Pastor Jeff introduced me to the postmill theonomist view. But yeah, I like doug wilson, but I don't agree with everything he believes...spiritual warfare is one. For example, he sees no harm in Harry Potter etc. in our culture. But it's so cool as believers to not be afraid to talk and hammer issues out because it's detrimental to the church. Your channel is so needed. Praise the Lord for your videos.

I like O'Fallon but does anyone think that he will ever disagree with James? I have not seen it yet.

Though I love am so grateful for James Lindsay andDouglas Murray and others it baffles me that they are STILL atheist! Peterson couldn’t hold out in the face of the evidence of EVIL and how it is a perfect mirror of Christianity et al. If Evil doesn’t destroy us - it does - in fact draw us back to God. That is why God allows it. I find that comforting and as it fills me with sorrow and fear in one sense - the new extravagance and seeming power of evil at present proves our faith.

Branch covidians is gold

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Should we treat Jordan Peterson like James Lindsay?

I know that there are several guidelines and some prohibitions to taking more then one wife in the OT and that elders must be "a one woman man" in the NT. I haven't found the blanket moral condemnation or prohibition of it though. Someone at Christ Kirk did a couple vlogs on it but it wasn't convincing.

It certainly is strange how two people can view the same events and come out with completely different opinions on the matter. I watched practically everthing there was on this debate between Wilson and Moore, as Wilson is one of my favorite Pastors of all time and Moore's accusations against him seemed pretty serious. I thought that everything Moore brought to the table was either a half-baked concept or flat-out slanderous. I do not think Moore thought through this issue for an extended length of time, and it is very obvious (to me at least) that Wilson has dedicated many hours to this subject and has come to a very deep and concrete understanding to this issue of concupiscence. I do not think that Moore has even wrestled with this idea which Wilson proposes, but has come to the table with a very elementary understanding of homosexuality being sinful, yet fails at getting to the root of this issue which (I believe) was only considered at a surface level understanding. All this is to say that whether you agree with Wilson or Moore on this issue, the way Moore went about in making this debate happen in the first place I believe was incredibly sinful and slanderous. Especially when taking into consideration that he had to dig up an old clip of Wilson during a debate on a secular campus in making the case against him in the first place. I would encourage anyone who hasn't already to watch Wilson's response to these accusations on his channel for understanding exactly what Moore did here. See, he ignored all that WIlson had stated in opposition to homosexual identity (which there is a plethora of content from him on the subject available to the public) and pulled some clips and text out of context to slander his name. I understand Joel, that you are a Wilson fan as well, and yet find yourself siding with Moore on this issue. That is all fine and well, but the very fact that Moore wasn't called out for the way he went about doing this in bearing false witness against a Christian brother shows a serious lack of discernment on your part, I am afraid. Of course, I will continue supporting you however, as this small issue is not something I would consider a terrible grievance, but I would at least encourage you to look further into this whole situation, as I am fully convinced that Moore is in grave, unrepentant sin of this. He could have contacted Wilson to set up a debate with him or a myriad of other possibilities, but instead he sought a chance for a moment of brief fame by slandering this Christian brother's name. And I think it is absolutely embarrassing that solid teachers are considering this a 'good and honest discussion'. Because it was anything but that. Moore needs to repent for the sinful way he went about this whole thing and dragging Wilson's name through the mud like this.

Quick question. If temptation is sin , and Jesus was tempted, the he was not perfect and our belief is completely in vain is it not? If instead the temptation itself is not sin then how does Jared Moores view hold water?

See, this is confusing, what Laws would be under your understanding of Theonomy?

If I listen to the whole thing and AD doesn’t make a comment about the new studio, I’ll be so disappointed. I assume Michael Corleone is in the other room w his Father, the Don

Luke 22:24And there was also a strife among them, which of them should be accounted the greatest.

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I like and appreciate James Lindsay's work, as far as Marxism goes, but he seems to now be trying to speak regarding Christian Nationalism. It has been a bit strange how he's been speaking regarding Christianity. My concern overall is how there comes along someone, grabs attention regarding having something to say, then it starts to get steered in another direction. He does great regarding unmasking marxist ideas and people, BUT, he then speaks on some subjects he hasn't done real research into, and tries speaking on what Christians should be doing.. and Christian Nationalism poorly spoken of.. this to me is what gatekeepers do.. Not saying James is that guy, but Making an observation.. My heartfelt prayer is his conversion to Christ our King..

I believe people are scared of what Doug Wilson believes would be the equitable Law of God. I hope he comes out a little less ambiguous.

Who will be in charge of the Christian state. Particular baptist or truly Reformed?

He needs a smoking jacket. "The continental"

God's Kingdom, before Christ returns, will not be a full on Theocracy. It would be. Theonomy.

Luke 4:5-8, why do you seek to offer your lord that which he already refused? Jesus lived in a pagan nation, why is a Christian Nation preferable to you? Christ did not require Pilot bow to him, to follow his fathers will. A Christian Nation cannot be created by conquest, or it’s lesser cousin political subversion, only when a nation is filled with faithful Christians walking humbly will others remark that our nations are Christian.

IMO, Wolfe was lousy at communicating with James. He was antagonistic and arrogant and didnt meet James in the right manner. That's my problem with the way he handled it.

My ultimate takeaway is the reason Doug Wilson is easier to disagree with is because Doug doesn’t try to attribute motivation or consider the mental wrestle with temptation a sin, you do. You two are the reason Christian’s get a bad reputation among reasonable people. We have a fantastic ally in James Lyndsey because he is the only one of you willing to fight.

No to theonomy. We have had those before. We call that era the "dark ages" for good reason.

Too many words - too much trying to show authority - if you have a problem with a worldly philosophy that is indeed powered by a Gnostic core you need a trained Philosopher to show where it came from. If you are not getting angry in the sight of evil - what is wrong with you.

LOL, I'll take James Lindsay over these two any day. Two pretentious, "I know it all" fanatics with not a clue about how the world really works. Good luck with that!