Against the Odds: Davriel's Hearth-storic Combo | Historic MTG Gameplay & Deck Tech

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What does Davriel, Deal Broker even do? What are the odds of winning with it (or drawing with it) in Historic? Let's find out!
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3:08 Match 1
14:05 Match 2
23:34 Match 3
28:40 Match 4
42:24 Match 5
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@koenvandepoll927 2 года назад

"Well, on to game 1" That's a combination of words I hadn't expected to ever hear in Magic...

@SuenteusPi 2 года назад

seth likes drawing cards; what about drawing games?!? this week, on against the odds!

@MTGGoldfish 2 года назад

Not quite as fun as drawing cards, but close.

@Emil_med 2 года назад

Arena community: "ban this" Seth: against the odds

@KNAZZ082 2 года назад

duuuude

@Nixajax 2 года назад

Hey after all these awful against the odds we should let him have one stomp

@XXPURPLEDUDEXX 2 года назад

😂😂😂

@stephenhousman6975 2 года назад

Seth: Davriel is a combo piece because of the -3 Also Seth @9:50: We can remove Arcanist but they can just get it back with Luris Me: How do you forget this quickly?

@alaricpaley6865 2 года назад

I mean, it's a very counter intuitive thing, you're so used to the graveyard clearing the cards state. I've had opponents where I perpetually changed a creature and they reanimated it, then shame scooped after realizing what they did.

@goreobsessed2308 2 года назад

Hell people forget trample sometimes this is alot harder to keep up with

@thekevmeister77 2 года назад

Yeah, that's definitely the running theme of Seth's videos. Usually when a big punt happens I just move onto a different video - a big punt occuring means others are likely. I don't need that kind of stress in my life

@smegmalasagna 2 года назад

The channel’s name is MTGGoldfish for a reason ;)

@I43573 2 года назад

Then he has the choice to withering the dreadhorde so it has zero power and can't flash back and he instead decides to run out the second davriel right into removal

@curtissearle6462 2 года назад

Vesperlark: Dormammu I've come to bargain

@MrShinyObject 2 года назад

I guess Seth finally figured out how to appease the fans who thought he won too much on against the odds AND the ones who thought he lost too much. Just do both at once!

@MTGGoldfish 2 года назад

Now we do neither!

@RobandRosieRR 2 года назад

I am sorry but was the Lose 6 life condition not better than the exile the top 2 every time you draw?

@Fyrefrye 2 года назад

yeah... his opponent was doing nothing and he ended up exiling 2 larks the one time I saw his exile pile

@MTGGoldfish 2 года назад

@@Fyrefrye The exiling is random though. It could have exiled lands and left us with Vesperlarks.

@MTGGoldfish 2 года назад

I think that the "exile 2" condition is the least impactful, unless you are a deck that is drawing enough extra cards that you might deck yourself. Otherwise it doesn't really do anything at all.

@PvtSkittles656 2 года назад

@@MTGGoldfish but in comparison you were at 23 life with no pressure on the board against you at all and you had no chance of exiling your combo or any relevant draws, like it worked out either way but I feel like losing 6 was the strongest choice and the exiling per draw was the medium choice at best.

@d_andrews 2 года назад

Someone did this loop against me today. They had a Bastion for drain and I had a Blood Artist. They had no way of ending the loop so it should have been a draw, but eventually my timer ran out so I could no longer click to choose to drain my opponent. For some reason Arena decided that the Blood Artist trigger wasn't compulsory after all, so started skipping it and the game ended in a win for my opponent.

@ValariaxSword 2 года назад

I had a lot of fun playing the Davriel deck in the jump start event.

@Nathan-lw3nd 2 года назад

Seth was wondering what to do with Davriel in against the odds, I said Vesperlark combo. He says "What can Davriel do other than be value" And here we are.

@mrplumbe7318 2 года назад

THE TAVERN'S ALWAYS OPEN!

@ScornfulEg0tist 2 года назад

BUT YOU CAN NEVAH LEAVE

@prithvirajburman3333 2 года назад

Coco in this deck looks sweeeeeet

@McArRuIzO 2 года назад

You said "Bloodchief's Thirst" and then I immediately got a Modelo commercial... looks like Drana enjoys a cold one.

@MidgarMerc 2 года назад

I'm convinced Memory Lapses are coded to come in pairs

@Stickmuncher 2 года назад

I honestly don't think I have ever been lapsed, with out also being lapsed the next turn as well. They ALWAYS have 2.

@L3131L 2 года назад

I'm NOT a combo player, but there's no way I can go without playing this because I've loved Dav for so long.

@Jesse-kb6jm 2 года назад

Perfect video. These are the best kinds of decks!

@sadino123 2 года назад

Oppo game 1 scooped also because they can't exile vesperlark anymore with the permanent-1 plus Woe Strider, the only way they could stop the combo would've been graveyard hate.

@thecrazycapn 2 года назад

Seth you troll! You knew we wanted a deck built around the "offers," but you built around the boring third ability instead!

@chubzoid 2 года назад

I have a deck built around the offers! It's not very tuned, but you run Dav in a Liliana, Untouched by Death combo shell. You try to spin Davriel to get the cost reduction ability, then draw through your deck with Shambling Ghast + Village Rites effects, combined with Crypt Auger, and eventually set up the Liliana combo. Additionally, you can use the -3 in place of a sac outlet to go infinite with ghast + Liliana. Probably not as good as the Vesperlark combo, but is a bit more resilient, since you are already playing a synergistic (while underpowered) tribe.

@extraemontamontes3618 2 года назад

that seems like its very hard to build around that

@hitthegoat 2 года назад

Except you literally can't build around the offers because it's entirely RNG. There's no way to build around like a dozen random options

@chubzoid 2 года назад

I mean the fact is that Davriel includes 2 types of protection with his +1 and -3, so having the -2 be random isn't as bad as it sounds. In a typical game you may have up to 3 shots at the desired effect, and even if you don't hit the cost reduction ability you'll likely hit a draw 3, reanimation for a Woe Strider, or the +2 draw a card emblem, all of which support the deck's strategy. It's random, and it's not going to be tier one, but it can actually be pretty solid.

@jeremyphillips3087 2 года назад

monkey's paw

@JohnnyDeLeo1 2 года назад

This is just Historic’s Worldgorger Dragon combo and I can respect that!

@AnjinSan1966 2 года назад

Davriels tavern always have irresistible offers........

@alistairetheblu 2 года назад

I bet WotC just *loves* people calling it "hearthstoric".

@fo-ef8qo 2 года назад

Magic, The Hearthening

@arielm192 2 года назад

Hearth, The Stone

@jezzabtk8473 2 года назад

This deck is so funny, are you already tried the Squerry oak -Heliod combo

@maxiewawa 2 года назад

I remeber a Tom Scott video about how it's hard for a computer to know that it's frozen. Is that why Arena doesn't immediately recognise why there's an infinite loop happening? I don't remember the exact video.

@samuellawrence1045 2 года назад

With the new teferi, you should do teferi tribal in modern, including the time spiral teferi.

@lindzeesouperocd7558 2 года назад

Yeah, they aren't going to let this go on for much longer lol.

@Atmapalazzo 2 года назад

Honestly I don't think it's that powerful. That being said I don't think it lasts much longer because of the ability to draw the game with it

@DimT670 2 года назад

Meh its a 3 card combo. If it couldn't draw id be fine

@lindzeesouperocd7558 2 года назад

@@DimT670 it's the troll aspect of it imo.

@MasterCrvo 2 года назад

Played ranked historic for the first time ever last night...saw a ton of davriels withering combo infinites.

@arunda1734 2 года назад

Arena is very favorable to combo decks, until wotc steps in my suggestion is to play traditional so you can sideboard!

@ferdithetank7535 2 года назад

It's shuffling algorithms are rigged anyway, no wonders.

@arunda1734 2 года назад

@@ferdithetank7535 ?? Extrapolate

@MasterCrvo 2 года назад

@@arunda1734 that's a fair point, but then opponents can bring in tech to fight my terrible jank, so Bo1. 😅😅

@MasterCrvo 2 года назад

@@arunda1734 in Best of 1 there is a "hand smoothing" algorithm that manipulates your opening hand. While it purports to provide fewer one sided games by ensuring a better land/spell ratio in opening hands, the ripples from that interference with pure randomness seem to include high incidence of 1-ofs in opening hands, drawing 3 copies of the same card in the first 3 turns, etc. Mostly/entirely anecdotal, other than the land smoothing, but it feels pretty real at times, especially when the opponent just has all 4 binding the old gods in consecutive turns 4,5,6, and 7.

@martinmackenzie5127 2 года назад

Cool t shirt Seth!

@AricHaldan0782 2 года назад

This combo certainly didn't feel like against the odds when I played it lol

@thedeadnotsleeping 2 года назад

I run 4 of stifle main, in my ub naban wizard bounce your shit deck. So fucking funny to let them set up and stifle the vesperlark trigger. Feels good man.

@BaygelTheDog 2 года назад

I just wanna see the naban decklist 🙏

@streiifi 2 года назад

not that what i expected you to play in against the odds but i still enjoy it!

@user-he2yf4vo3p 2 года назад

It was said that you would destroy this combo, not join them!... Oh, Seth....(((

@MTGGoldfish 2 года назад

I didn't really realized how much the combo would take off when I was recording this a few days ago. Things move pretty quickly in Historic :)

@user-he2yf4vo3p 2 года назад

@@MTGGoldfish sure you know where to sign up for the fortune-telling courses :))

@Syr_Robert 2 года назад

Thisi is more like a Vesperlark Againts The Odds than a Davriel, but I'll take it. Would've enojed more watching Seth build around Davriel's offers and conditions, though.

@bakij2c 2 года назад

At 23:30 he wins the game and his limited rank increases? Isn't he playing constructed.

@inquisitorgrand 2 года назад

It's a visual bug. It really increases your constructed rank and shows it on the victory screen, but it only says limited on rank up. I've gotten it too, it's no big deal.

@AricHaldan0782 2 года назад

giving vesperlark -1 power with Davriel's deal actually allows it go infinite with woe strider as well

@kirillm2517 2 года назад

the -1/-0 only applies on the battlefield, not in the yard, so vesperlark can't reanimate itself.

@GoronRob 2 года назад

At 26:20 wouldn't the game still draw? Or is there something I'm missing? EDIT: Seth comments on this immediately after, whoops

@extraemontamontes3618 2 года назад

probably it will only draw if its not affecting relevant things like if its reducing opponents life total, still, these things might be able to be implemented better

@WeAreFailsProduction 2 года назад

This deck is absolutely hilarious

@alaricpaley6865 2 года назад

The worst thing about this all is that they're 90% not going to tune perpetually on Davriel and Withering, they're gonna ban Vesperlark (And Putrid Goblin) The better list for this doesn't have Davriel and instead is a collected Company shell with Vizier/P.Goblin, and you run Vito in sideboard against the Soulsister lifegain deck. It's not healthy for the format though.

@goreobsessed2308 2 года назад

It's a slow combo anyhow I don't see them doing anything about it in historic

@alaricpaley6865 2 года назад

@@goreobsessed2308 they will, because it's not fun to sit there while your opponent combos for five minutes or just draws the game. They've banned cards before because they "felt bad" to play against, remember?

@KebbieG 2 года назад

You got a huge point. An actually playable and sweet card in Vesperlark will get the ban for non magic mechanic. Thanks a lot Wizards for creating more digital only cards. People already hate the A set cards that aren't standard legal.

@kirillm2517 2 года назад

@@alaricpaley6865 Unless it's a huge chunk of the meta, it won't get banned. Remember Tibalt's trickery is still with us. Plus it's a 3-piece combo that can be disrupted by removal. That's like peak safe combo. If this needs to be banned then you just can't have combo in magic at all.

@alaricpaley6865 2 года назад

@@kirillm2517 It's the draw the game part that is going to get it banned more then the actual combo.

@imperatordersonne5167 2 года назад

I hope they just rework Davriel, the pact mechanic is pretty funny :D

@Nolsie 2 года назад

JOHN WATERS POPPIN OFF

@kelvinliu-huang5955 2 года назад

Sure you could play a boring draw spell to draw 3 for 4 mana, and just draw 3. But Davriel could do anything - you could even draw 3!

@nilsbossiusklintenberg3623 2 года назад

This was a dope watch! Glad you got to stick it to Jeskai with the draw atleast once. 😅

@jekanyika 2 года назад

Surely the draw only triggers when nothing is changing

@zackestin1368 2 года назад

Then infinite life triggers would force a concede game of chicken which would be less than ideal

@bleed2blue1 2 года назад

@@zackestin1368 in this case i think the time Limit comes into play i think its 60 mins or so

@Ghost26968 2 года назад

34:33 100% memory lapse needs to be banned in historic. There's a reason why it hasn't been printed into modern yet and its because it an absolutely brutal two mana counter spell. Being able to timewalk your opponent while simultaneously effectively taking away their draw next turn is absurd, especially without a prohibitive mana cost like Counterspell has (a card that is banned in historic).

@zackestin1368 2 года назад

It’s literally worse than remand it’s why it sees no legacy play.

@Ghost26968 2 года назад

@@zackestin1368 Memory lapse not seeing play in legacy control lists has more to do with cards like FoW than remand. Remand is strictly better that memory lapse in exactly combo decks because you're more interested in getting to your combo pieces than denying your opponents draw steps. Its widely accepted in the legacy community that Memory Lapse is better than Remand in control decks its just that you can be doing better things like FoW, as well as playing more of a prison style nowadays with cars like T3feri and Narset.

@zackestin1368 2 года назад

@@Ghost26968 miracles used to play remand a few years back, at the fucking legacy protour even it was, it pnly dropped out of those lists after t3feri and narset was printed, and memory lapse hasnt been used in legacy ever, even mana leak has seen more legacy play. so im calling cap on everything you just said. just because you get tilted by a card doesnt make it broken.

@Ghost26968 2 года назад

@@zackestin1368 I don't get tilted by a card, I play control. Its why I can evaluate Memory Lapse correctly. But hey, thanks for conceding the debate by resulting to insults :D Edit: neat little stealth edit on your comment to remove your rudeness. But maybe you should think about why a deck like miracles would want to draw a card on their opponents turn ;)

@zackestin1368 2 года назад

@@Ghost26968 I literally didnt even insult you? but ok, the edit was just adding in the mana leak seeing play in legacy part. why are you literally lying in a youtube comment because somebody actually took 5 seconds to google what counterspells have seen play or not instead of gut reactions like youre using?

@MJFSIXTEEN 2 года назад

Maybe add some corpse knights? Etb ping to death?

@hachi9404 2 года назад

Still cant believe they allowed memory lapse in historic, card is busted and a time walk in a lotta instances

@KebbieG 2 года назад

This is true. Lapse is just better than Counterspell. So why not let that into the format.

@zackestin1368 2 года назад

Lapse is nowhere near as good as counterspell, legacy prefers remand to it even.

@KebbieG 2 года назад

@@zackestin1368 Counterspell requires 2 blue which is a negative in it's favor. The fact that Lapse puts the card back on top of their library to me is stronger than just outright countering the spell. You are forcing your opponents to redraw a card that will crush your opponent. I think a fixed version would be preferred, Counter target spell and the opponent chooses to put it back on top or on the bottom of their library.

@Ghost26968 2 года назад

@@KebbieG His point about Legacy preferring remand over memory lapse is also extremely misrepresentative of the format. Remand sees play only in combo decks since the can trip is extremely valuable for finding your combo pieces. Memory Lapse doesn't see play because control have way more powerful cards like actual factual Force of Will, T3feri, and Hullbreacher+Narset. There's also a reason why Aether Gust allows the opponent the choice of putting the target on the top or bottom: specifically to prevent locking their next draw step like memory lapse does.

@KebbieG 2 года назад

@@Ghost26968 I know typically where Remand is used from my time playing in modern. It is used by combo to invalidate a turn but dig deeper into the deck. I am not buying though that Counterspell is better than Memory Lapse. I think Counterspell would be healthier for Historic. It would require you to go into blue more and it would be a more pleasant experience for the opponent. I highly doubt that it is statistically higher than 10% that the opponent honestly must redraw the spell that was countered this turn. Most cases that would be combo piece or a sweeper to stay alive.

@bobSeigar 2 года назад

Let's go to game 4 in best of 3.

@eddievedderface 2 года назад

Memory Lapse.....

@wookieesden3133 2 года назад

The real against the odds part is playing historic and not running in to Tibalt’s Trickery!

@austinmairet1772 2 года назад

I swear memory lapse has hidden text to be more likely to be drawn in arena. Even when I play it myself, I draw 2-3 like waaaay more often than I draw 0-1

@tehchives 2 года назад

Awesome CAKE shirt!!! Which is your fav album? I am a Pressure Chief fan myself!

@terrancecleghorn803 2 года назад

So much whining in the comment section already. Thanks for the video Seth.

@tossapixeltoyournoelle 2 года назад

you love to see it :3

@edwinsiefert9925 2 года назад

I mean this isn’t the first draw the game combo that we’ve had before in historic. I used to do the same thing with polyraptor and marauding raptor(?) before they changed the token limit to be a thing. So this isn’t really a new thing...

@name-wj7yz 2 года назад

sideboarded into a 61 card deck :OO

@Jeepod 2 года назад

I'm really not sure why going green here. Shambling ghast is better than Llanowar elves here, and the infinite life with the innkeeper is not really usefull. Fine for the Fauna but I'd rather just have a 2 color deck that can combo with ghast for a smoother mana base and get some draw cards or main deck answers I guess. Also having some copies of liliana untouched to have more combo possibilities seems just better imho

@Fyrefrye 2 года назад

green looked like it was primarily for the inkeeper's life gain on etb trigger. As a backup infinite combo piece (the treasure is a bonus that lets him drop Davriel a turn early in some cases)

@Jeepod 2 года назад

@@Fyrefrye yeah I can see it but tbh I think the ghast combo with lili as more merit than splashing green and having a harder time with mana base in th first few turns imho. Unless the Shifting in the SB is too important vs control I see this deck BW more than Abzan imho

@kirillm2517 2 года назад

Lili + ghast is a 4 piece combo and you still need to find a perpetual card. But, if you are running 4x lili, it's hard to also have 4x Davriel because it makes for a very top-heavy curve. On the other had, green gives you fauna shaman which lets you tutor up vesperlark so altogether you get 8x of all 3 of the combo pieces.

@Jeepod 2 года назад

@@kirillm2517 Yeah I agree like I said the only reason I see to go green is for the fauna for tutoring. But I don't have them so I can't test if it's better ? But so far i'm running 2 Dav - 3 Lili. and Zombies instead of celebrant/elves. Both perpetual effects work with lili or vesperlark making lili not a wasted card. And T1 shambling ghast with a phyrexian tower on T2 can let you play lili or davriel T2 which so far seemed pretty good for me.

@hotcoldman9793 2 года назад

I love that stupid CAKE shirt you wear!

@sethchapman1425 2 года назад

Ban hammer coming soon to an Arena near you.

@drdomvondoom9265 2 года назад

Should call it the Denial Deck. If your about to lose you just go into denial and draw the game “I DONT KNOW WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT I DIDNT LOSE”

@oHeatoNo 2 года назад

Cool ! The game is plagued with this now ;D

@stefanellrodt52 2 года назад

Played Arena yesterday after a 2 month break and just wanted to play some unranked kitchentable magic. I ran into this combo 6 times in a row...guess I play Brawl?!

@JacoDeltaco Год назад

they made Ask Urza and sticker so I dont see why Davriel can not be a 'real' card

@grendelrising6413 2 года назад

The Cake is a lie!

@markheisler5118 2 года назад

you don't care about exiling cards while drawing? lol *exiles 2 vesperlarks* woops

@VRanger100 2 года назад

I wouldn't be surprised if WOTC just errata's Vesperlark to say "another target creature." Can't really see that errata affecting paper play and it effectively "fixes" the problem draw combo.

@vulcanh254 2 года назад

Digital only cards are the cards that will be changed, obviously. There's no way they're gonna change rulings of paper cards just because they designed awful virtual cards.

@VRanger100 2 года назад

@@vulcanh254 I agree with the sentiment, but since the misprint with Hostage Taker and Corpse Knight, I wouldn't put it pass WOTC to make that Errata especially with the Erratas towards making some older cards into Dinosaurs and Hounds into Dogs.

@user-nu6ob1ft4k 2 года назад

CAKE

@colinbrown5646 2 года назад

@MTGGoldfish 24:33 Casting Davriel and using his +1 here would, I believe, buy you at minimum 2-3 turns, as they would have to sac their hand and then swing at Davriel so that their empty hand wouldnt force them to sac creatures to attack next turn. They may still win, but you could buy yourself some turns that could allow you to combo off with other pieces you might draw.

@Dementia55372 2 года назад

Davriel's plus only requires them to discard one card, not a card per attacking creature.

@gagewoodcock2479 2 года назад

Seth it's not the Magic Gods it's the arena shuffler giving the same cards over and over again.

@androkguz 2 года назад

Awesome deck. I hope they don't ban it. I love hearthstone too.

@GrabnarDaCzar 2 года назад

"second ability does nothing with -1/-0." Except that allows for Vesperlark to bring itself back infinitely, albeit without the auto die feature. Except with Woe Strider that becomes an additional infinite scry to for sure win follow up turn. Edit: this doesn't actually work. Was thinking perpetual, which is not what the emblem does. My mistake.

@luigibozza3652 2 года назад

Isn't it a normal emblem that applies only to creatures in play

@GrabnarDaCzar 2 года назад

@@luigibozza3652 you are totally right. I was thinking perpetual cause his other ability is. It does not work how I was thinking

@alecolson8360 2 года назад

Very annoying how the optimal play pattern is never let your opponent play cards

@RobandRosieRR 2 года назад

Y'all are being real weird in the comments. This video was great.

@sadino123 2 года назад

Memory Lapse in pure cancer, what a freaking horrible card to play against.

@john8062 2 года назад

4 straight counters off the top and people wonder why they dont bring back counterspell

@leonelbanegas4417 2 года назад

Lol the OP is literally paying 5 mana to scry 2 every turn and drawing 2 cards per turn, saying "4 straight counters off the top" is kind a biased sentece right there...

@bryantan4228 2 года назад

The reason this combo will be banned isn’t because its strong. It’s because of the game draw. In fact, the opponent’s ONLY non counter non graveyard hate way of interacting with the combo is killing or bouncing the death trigger unit, which draws the game. If you want this combo banned faster, play this deck with no drain on death cards and replace them with counters.

@bryanhildebrand812 2 года назад

instant speed removal prevents the loop same as instant speed bounce

@bryantan4228 2 года назад

@@bryanhildebrand812 Only if you prevent the lark from getting Davrieled. And Withering is an instant so they can Withering lark in response

@bryanhildebrand812 2 года назад

@@bryantan4228 yes but you cast in response to the withering to kill lark before it becomes a 1/-1. same for bounce.

@archmage6725 2 года назад

Yo what’s with the salt-mine comments section? I hate this combo too, but damn people.

@ryancrouch813 2 года назад

Sooo many punts on this video... 30:18 you could've waited a turn to play davriel, that way if you untap with celebrant you could play davriel, return vesperlark, then withering and win, or if no celebrant, then at least draw the game

@derrickthewhite1 2 года назад

for me, the worst one was the game against control when he had thought distortion in hand and chose to play davriel twice instead. If they had a way to kill you, they'd have used it already! look at their (full) hand, clear it out, and THEN play the combo!

@MrBkatt 2 года назад

What a lame combo to draw the game. ಠ︵ಠ

@cloysterd 2 года назад

Yeah, this does not seem like a healthy format.

@Robin-ve7ck 2 года назад

Draw the game is legit, especially against those decks that just stall and stall until they draw their “i win the game” card

@John-Wolfe 2 года назад

Perpetual has to be the most boring mechanic ever

@geegnomes 2 года назад

This deck is worse than Concede Mage.

@Atmapalazzo 2 года назад

"Hearthstoric"? The only random effect there isn't even used for that purpose lol. More importantly, this set is probably less random than forgotten realms

@MakeVarahHappen 2 года назад

Hearthstone doesn't just mean "random" and the random effects literally won him the first match.

@botucker4034 2 года назад

I think he's also referring to the "perpetual" effects the new cards have. Something that can only really happen in a digital format, not paper.

@Atmapalazzo 2 года назад

@@botucker4034 Honestly perpetual isn't really hearthstone-esque. It's an ability that transcends object memory, a concept that is more akin to Yu-Gi-Oh.

@drjjloveman 7 месяцев назад

Not a lot of futbol fans in these comments. Drawing the game is always better than losing. Lol. And for the love of god just stop casting spells when you only need one land to cast thought distortion. Never seen so many timewalks.

@zztzgza 2 года назад

This combo looks like it sucks

@nomismg 2 года назад

They really should ban this, its just stupid to look at the loop for super long and go into draw

@87joannesp 2 года назад

Nerf card detected

@JC-df6do 2 года назад

Intentionally drawing the game is scummy. This whole vid was not enjoyable imo

@ohno5559 2 года назад

almost as scummy as intentionally winning the game

@jeremyphillips3087 2 года назад

don't hate the player

@MasterCrvo 2 года назад

@@jeremyphillips3087 never more apropos

@enricobreveglieri397 2 года назад

The combo that draws the game is downright coward. They must ban it

@vexion42 2 года назад

Yeeeah, this isn't really a Davriel deck. Should be about his offers and conditions!

@stevenyukabacera160 2 года назад

These are probably too random to really build around, I think

@1slena 2 года назад

1/10 not enough good game settle the wreckage

@KebbieG 2 года назад

I used to love historic but these cards are ruining the format. Sad times we live in as magic players.

@netanelaker4437 2 года назад

Speak for yourself. This kind of cards open infinite possibilities and I can't wait to see what Davriel-like craziness WotC will invent.

@KebbieG 2 года назад

@@netanelaker4437 I am sorry but creating this dynamic is terrible for the magic community. I am a historic only player and 70% of matches are this deck now.

@KebbieG 2 года назад

@@netanelaker4437 Plus it is terrible when I have a Friday Historic over on my channel. My base has to watch this deck on repeat.

@sambaker1121 2 года назад

@@KebbieG I wouldn't worry too much. This deck won't be a thing in a month or two.

@KebbieG 2 года назад

@@sambaker1121 That is true but it will be Vesperlark that gets the hammer. I like Vesperlark being in the history format.

@shadowfox513 2 года назад

Yeah, drawing the game with this is bs, there's no way they let this nonsense go on.

@christophercombs7561 2 года назад

Online only cards are stupid

@acheache8536 2 года назад

so many misplays in one video...

@erayhaselton 2 года назад

Yeah this needs to go. This is rly toxic gameplay. Just glad somebody pretty popular like Seth brought it to light so hopefully the community makes a ruckus about it.

@lazyinvadershiya8320 2 года назад

If you do a infinite combo in real life magic and it does not kill or change board state then you actually lose I wish it was the same on mtg arena

@THECOLLECTOROFSOULS 2 года назад

in real life you do not lose. CR719.4. If the loop contains only mandatory actions, the game ends in a draw. (See rule 102.4b.)

@nickjoseph77 2 года назад

Doesn't feel very sportsman like to draw the game when you're losing but whatever. Just won't give this video a like. Yes I understand it's within the rules of the game but it doesn't seem in good form.