Lets try the Grimburg Gavle LTL launcher| We finally have it!!!!! 

Yes indeed! I can see where they are going and I see a very bright further for them!

Indeed still more then I can afford at the moment but it's on the list

Just started working at grimburg 2-3 weeks ago as an assembler and quality checker. To say the company is great to work for/with is 100% an understatement. Kurt is a great and caring person

@@abrahamchouinard6109 He is AMAZING. I’ve met him twice in person both times at SHOT Show and both times I was very impressed.

@@abrahamchouinard6109 It’s a great self defense weapon even for carry. The only thing I could see changing is the charging system. A tap on the butt of the grip or a trigger charge would make it perfect.

Thank you for this! Some folks think that the statistics lie… they don’t. :)

2.5 rounds? Is that .5 a squib load? Lmao😂

Agree, but most bad guys don't expect "regular" citizens to fight back. Therefore, they don't think terms of "cover".

He is something else man! Yeah, these things are VERY well engineered!

Extended grip?

Extended grip? Where did u buy that partner?

​@@israelsoto1963wixon shop. Google it. Good guy. Purchase the short extension so you can get your pinky on the grip but still be able to twist to puncture.

The new upgrade lets you keep them charged withoutevery ruining internals

Well here in the hell of NYS you can’t buy magazines that hold a ton anyway. And good luck getting a semi rifle. So for states like mine that aren’t issuing new pistol permits this is better than nothing.

@@rilysmom7267 I own one, they hit hard!! Face shot? OMG for sure great bodily harm. I would say it is "Less Lethal" but NOT "Non-Lethal" if you get what I am saying.

​@@MultiSkyman1Get hit the wrong spot. Lights off

My pleasure Brother!! Yeah, after the video was shot, I’ve been chatting back-and-forth with Kurt. He told me about that spring and their pepper balls. Sounds like we’re going to have a revisit :-)

The S2 is an absolutely fantastic launcher. At its price range, nothing really compares.

Yeah, can you image a barrel 5 inches longer… yikes!

Thanks Brother!

My pleasure Brother!

Thanks, brother! Yeah, I can definitely see this being a very very potent launcher to throw into your less than lethal self-defense solution.

Brother, that was the first time I’d seen these Jul round… man it opened up a whole new series of tests :)

I understand Brother! Yeah, I can see this as an addition to an overall self defense solution.

Yeah, I want to try those in a few other launchers :)

@@AlternateArmsSD The S2 for sure Jon.

Own one too. Yes, I think that loud first shot alone will end a lot of encounters for sure!

Hey man, yeah it’s a machine for sure!

@@MultiSkyman1 He’s aware :) Voice to text gets it wrong every time.

Thanks Brother! Yeah, the build quality and power is off the charts.

Thx, and the twist to puncture method has never failed!

I own a Gavle, and no joke, it hit's hard! And as he said, it is loud too! As I stated above, one shot is going to make people scatter!

Yeah, when I hold this launcher it just screams build quality. I have a feeling we are just barely scratching what these folks will come up with in the future. It’s a great time in this industry!

@@AlternateArmsSD i have been looking everywhere for a guard dog launcher, did they stop producing them

@@commiesnzombies Yep, I think they may have gotten sued… look up the “streetwise the heat”. I have one coming in for review sooner or later, and I will get a video up when it comes in.

Remember these launchers at minimum, are really to deter, distract, and delay a bad guy so that a victim can break contact and try to escape the danger. The Gavle gives you five heavy shots per Co2 cartridge, so even if it had a magazine to change, you also still have to change out the empty Co2 cartridge then load another fresh one in. Realistically I don't see the average citizen getting into a sustained and extended fight.

If this thing fired first strike sounds........ Oh my........

Thanks Brother!!

Thanks, brother! Yeah, this one was long overdue, but I’m glad we finally got to it. This also opens up the floodgates for a bunch of other tests.

Yeah, it’s amazing watcher. I have some pretty cool tests in mind :-)

Yea indeed!

My philosophy summed up brother!

Thanks Brother!

Live in Canada too.. did you get it?? Are you worried about our stupid laws?? I was hoping to conceal carry but now I'm afraid it might be illegal.

@@JahBlessd Not yet, but it's in the queue. Hopefully getting it soon. The thing that pisses me off is that the chem rounds are illegal in Canada. No one will ship them here and you can't find any store in Canada that sells them. Can't fucking stand our insane laws and government taking away as many ways to defend ourselves as possible. When you need their thugs (police) to defend you, you can count on them not being there.

I believe everyone has the right to defend themselves and their family. Get it

It is a beast!

I’ll see what I can do :)

Yeah the boot conceals it pretty well but Im thinking a 3D printed cap could............................... well......we shall see :)(

And brutal! :)

@@user-bo6rd8vv6e Yea indeed. The spring swap for the pepper rounds caught me a bit off guard but I’d like to try using that spring with a moisture of kinetic and pepper rounds. That’s coming. The price is higher, I suspect, because they are a smaller company and have to mill and manufacture them themselves. I suspect that the price may come down in the future as they grow and expansion continues. The lack of a magazine is a bit jarring but some of the best performing launchers don’t. (IE the HDP50) I believe they are working on a new model though that might alleviate that concern. We shall see :) I’ve tested the C02 in extreme heat situation and have never seen any issues myself. Cold, on the other hand, is another story altogether. :) Have a great week!

@@AlternateArmsSD Thank you for a thoughtful response to my concerns. Made in USA attracted me in anticipation of superior quality and reliability, but we're getting into the price range for a real Glock when you add up all the extras. A person could buy a PCP air pistol and use a wide assortment of available projectiles without a CCL or permit if they wanted play with potentially lethal penetration and extended range. My take on LTL is pepper rounds outside the house and kinetic inside. But a basic home defense shotgun can fire birdshot or rock salt if you're at home and you don't intend to kill and intruder. Also, you could go to Taser, or bear spray. Reliability, proportionality of response according to the location and situation all need to be considered. Cost vs value is a big factor, even if you prefer to buy US made.

@@user-bo6rd8vv6e tasers is actually on my list for testing :-) yes, if you’re in your house, a high-powered kinetic ground is always going to be optimal.

@@AlternateArmsSD Taser is offering some civilian versions that give you about a 15' reach, and a contact stun gun that is much better than some Chinese 50 million volt gizmo that will likely fail or not provide a disabling level of current. And you know a real Taser is going to knock an assailant onto his keester. Great channel, so friendly and informative. You deserve a million subscribers, but then this is for intelligent and well-informed people. That factor alone reduces the audience size significantly.🤫

Oh yeah! :)

Or cracked bones 🩻

Grazie mille!

Yes they do!

Also due to their thicker plastic they still look like they have a load of "fuck you" kinetic energy as well as the irritant. Screw california for outlawing them.

@@jaydawg116 Agreed!

Even with thicker plastic on their irritant projectiles, there is confusion about using a different spring depending on kinetic vs irritant. I sent an inquiry to Grimburg for clarification on this, but I'm not thrilled that I had to dig into this question rather than finding a complete tutorial or a complete and downloadable manual for their various launchers, configurations, ammo choices and cautions - particularly if you want to use third party rounds. Somebody with law enforcement experience and legal liability knowledge needs to offer training video on when to use pepper vs kinetic situationally, and what exposure you might have if you embed one of those 8 gram rounds in someone's face. Also, I'm pretty concerned at this point about having a pepper round explode during launch in this device. That would benefit the attacker not the person hoping to defend themself.

@@user-bo6rd8vv6e Weeellll I’ve revised that video quite a bit and that depends on a couple of factors. Primarily the wind and distance. Given the powerful “cone shaped” expulsions of the ruptured round that is might be quite effective at short range (assuming you were down wind of it.) 8grams coming out of these is brutal albeit kinetic or pepper rounds. A face or head shot within 10 feet could be devastating. That being said, if you are in a situation where it is necessary, then mitigating the threat is the ultimate goal giving you time to escape. I do agree on a good manual and instructional video though. Perhaps I should volunteer to help them with that.

Awesome!! Yes, its LOUD :)

@@AlternateArmsSD just got my gavle it's bigger than I thought tbh bigger than the 43s but just fatter. The grip is small through. I want to test but don't want my neighbors complaining lol. Hmm

@@Dyran- And they would :)

Yeah, I have another idea about that too….. This is a new road for me :)

I just ordered a Gavle yesterday, I hope it doesn’t take so long to be shipped to me. If I don’t hear from them in a week or two, I’ll cancel the order. I hope you get yours soon.

Ill ask Kurt to jump in the chat here.. Perhaps he can help.

Damn I ordered one today and they said a little over a week.

@@hudsone4231 I emailed them a few days ago asking how long would it take for my order to be shipped to me. I got a reply the next day, two to three weeks. If it takes longer than that, I will cancel my order.

Don’t forget Grimburg :) They are the top dogs for sure.

Yes, also they have their own brand of pepper ball, as well as a spring, which eliminates the breaking of the pepper balls in the chamber. I can only imagine getting hit with a pepper ball by one of these things. The kinetic pain alone would be enough to dissuade you much less of face full of nasty :-)

It’s a beast :)

Correct! Generally, most confrontations are settled in the first 3 rounds and there simply is nothing near as powerful as the Gavle out of the box. Thanks for watching!

Yeah, I have a very interesting head to head coming up. I think you guys are going to love it :-)

I do Brother (Buts its closer to 22J) . Shoot me an email jonreynoldscts@gmail.com

Yeah, they also have a spring that is specifically designed for their own brand of pepper ball, and there are other brands that I think would hold up better. These just didn’t stand a chance. :-)

Absolutely brother, practice is key. Also, I don’t know about you, but I carry multiple different types of self-defense launchers in my house for invasion. I have two by my bed, two in my closet, one by my bathroom hall, closet, two in the living room, and one of the kitchen :-) yeah yeah yeah, quit laughing. :-)

*Only trouble with my pre-order of the Grimburg Carbine, it is what happens in a recurring dream. Oh well, a pleasant dream, it is.

Yeah that carbine has me excited as well! These guys have a bright future!

Heheh we can keep hoping :)

Heheh My pleasure brother :) I was just teasing you :) You can always tell how much I love my viewers and channel when I talk directly to them in videos :)

It’s all good. I can take some jabs. In he end I enjoy your videos, appreciate the info and access to products and in the end I am getting superior service from Paradigm on what I am purchasing. God bless brother!

​@@bradsmith9293Hope you have a great time with your new launcher when it comes. You'll have to give us a run down on what they did to it for you 😊

ROFL!! Thanks brother, I just spit tea all the way across my desk :-)

@@AlternateArmsSD 😄 started laughing when you said it!!! This marker is impressive!! Looking forward to more videos from you Brother!!👌

@@lukyluciano7524 thanks brother! I have big plans :-)

Yep!

It wont be soon. Still in the design phase

Hehe I’m thinking poor skully feels the same way :) It seems that these are getting stranger and stronger every video :)

@@AlternateArmsSDstronger and stronger but the difference now is understanding many more are well versed what is actually acceptable less lethal.

@@lesslethalfordummies We are in such a great time for this industry. It seems like we are getting more and more choices every month!

Yeah, that power caught me a bit off guard :)

Oh yeah, it would for sure, I own one. The loud pop alone will scare people off.

Thanks brother, oh man, you’re making me make tough decisions here :-) OK, strictly from a power standpoint, there is no equal to the gavel out of the box. The thing is just brutal. I would like some improvements on the loading mechanism for the ammunition, and I suspect that a future version will have some sort of punch cap to puncture system. I don’t think we’re going to be going down the road of a full magazine like the Byrna does, but I’m not overly concerned about that. I think for EDC, I would probably use the Byrna as it’s a little easier to conceal. However, for something in my car, or for home protection, I would definitely look to the gavel. Also, remember that Grimburg is constantly improving and updating their models. I suspect we’re going to see a lot more cool stuff coming out of these guys.

Ok, just as a caveat, I LOVE the hdp50. It is one of the most versatile launcher on the market today, easy to maintain, easy to charge when you need it, and easy to conceal... That being said, this thing is VERY far our of the HDP50s league in terms of sheer power and payload. (But you do pay for the difference).

I did indeed!! It was 41J. They also have a pepper round and magazine spring designed for pepper rounds.

Yes, indeed, I had a long talk with Kurt after this video dropped, and there were several things I didn’t know about. :-) one thing that’s wonderful about this industry, you’ve never stop learning.

Yes, indeed, I’m actually going to be getting some of those in shortly to test. Not against myself mind you :-)

@@bertfisk1194 yes indeed, I’ve actually addressed that on several comments here :-) I don’t know about the alternating of rounds using one of the soft springs for the pepper rounds, but it’s definitely something I’m going to test.

A gavle with a quick pierce would be about perfect :)

Yes indeed, I am planning a video denoting a quick draw and pierce with this launcher. I have a couple ideas :)

Hey Brother! Yeah, I did :) I love the M17. Its a great launcher for sure!

M17 is amazing for the price an the mags I'f you get the helix spring from John wick an his follower an plug get rid of the winder an shoot shapped ammo flawless

Oh, you KNOW a head to head is coming :)

From what I've researched as well as heard from a lot of people that the homewrecker and the glass break arounds work great in the BYRNALE, they are a little bit heavier than the kinetics, but not too heavy to harm the launcher

Byrna LE vs Grimburg Gavle? No contest. The gavle beats it hands down. My LE is average 11joules, only the first shot gives like 24J if I recall correct. Its way underpowered compared to the gavle. My gavle did this: shot 1: 326fps, 39.49J shot 2: 320fps, 38.05J shot 3: 354fps, 46.57J!!! shot 4: 318fps, 37.57J shot 5: 312fps, 36.17J

@@joesolo7719 I own both. And yes, no contest!

Funny you should ask.... The head-to-head is coming and I have an idea for some tests!

I hope it’s the next video!!

I own both. Numbers? If you mean FPS, remember the Grimburg projectile is twice as heavy as the Byrna projectile so the Grimburg is hitting a lot harder. Now if you live in a colder climate where people are wearing heavier coats etc., you would need the Grimburg for sure to punch harder! So I would take the Grimburg in that case.

@@MultiSkyman1so if the Grimburg hits hard because the projectile is twice as heavy what if you used Grimburg shots in the Byrna? I live in Houston so heavy coats aren’t a big deal but I’ve seen videos of the Byrna really hurting someone and I’ve seen videos of people take 3 shots and laughing. I just want to make sure the one I choose will protect me and my family. If you had to choose 1 which one would you recommend to friends?

@@Jbhuynh The Byrna would not have enough Co2 power to propel the heavy Grimburg Jul round with good FPS I think. Byrna also says use only their projectiles and Co2 cartridges, and I do. I would feel the most safe with the Grimburg for sure. It just plain hits hard! I think Jon here, will be doing a lot more tests with the Grimburg soon. Lets see what he comes up with.

Give them time :)

The lasers work fantastic! Generally on this model around 8-10 shots per. (VERY hard shots) :)

I have a head to head coming that you’ll get a kick out of :)

So, I'd want to verify this with Kurt.. BUT... it appears they are a standard type of beverage cart (amzn.to/3PpUaYg)

They gotta cost more

@@drbell26 Acutally, they aren’t very expensive at all. (Which surprised me as I’m not used to 16g either)

@@AlternateArmsSD Jon, you are absolutely right. On Amazon there’s lots of 12 and 16 gram threaded CO2 cartridges available. That being the case, I ordered a Gavle from Kurt. Thanks Brother 🙏

My pleasure man! Its a machine!

Greets! For EDC the Byrna is great based on the magazine loading and CO2 piercing method. However, the Gavle is a monster. When you fire it, you can FEEL the difference in power.

@@AlternateArmsSD is it honestly better to fire .68 over lesser cals? I was looking at the m&p clone less lethal too. Ammo is cheaper with that one too.

@@JH22533 It's all about volume and mass. They are all great but the .68 are just amazing. Also, if you are using pepperballs (which you should be if you can), you gain 30-50% more powder per round.

ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-URsAO1QUtn0.html If you don't trust links, search "Testing The Most Powerful Pepperball Gun Yet | The Grimburg Gavle"

Indeed and its awesome!

Hey Brother, Yeah the HDP50 and HDP50 compact cant compete with this Joule rating without HPS tapping and bottle feeding them. This thing is a beast!

@@AlternateArmsSD I'm thinking of bottle feeding in a way😁

@@cambobaginds9274 Heh

@@AlternateArmsSD I wonder if you thought about this the way it set up to put the co 2 and using the little co 2 cartridges.Why couldn't I set up an extension to put in one of the full size co two cartridges looks to me like there's enough wiggle room to do that

@@cambobaginds9274 There very well could be. I suspect we are going to see folks modding these in the future. They are an amazing base to start with!

I agree with one caveat, it’s nowhere near this much power out of the box.

Thanks Brother!! Yeah, the one thing that this launcher definitely has going for. It is reliability and that ridiculously high-power. Oh, did I mention it was loud? :-)

Oh, thats coming ;)

@@AlternateArmsSD oh I will bet the speeds will be NICE AND HIGH. Skully is gonna run and hide.

@@glennsammon4465 Heh poor Skully is in for another bad day :)

​@glennsammon4465 I've ran 1 gram solid nylons and they hit harder than 1.8g aluminum metals. I've posted a video in the group to show it pierced this hard plastic on my ice cooler vs a dent by the metal aluminum 1.8gs

I understand Brother! It does take some getting used to. I did find the carts on Amazon for a great price though. The biggest advantage was that crazy power though!

Heh I’m not a distributor for them…. Yet :) I’m not even sure they evan have distributors. They are a small and growing company. I assume at some point they will though. (And I’ll be on that list!)

Yep, they are absolutely amazing launchers. I was surprised at how efficient they actually were in the size of that hole but the puncture cap knocks in that CO2 cartridge is amazing. I see a truly bright future for these guys!

Hey brother, no they are 18 g but they are readily available.

I have never even heard of a 18 co2 Are they hard to get?

And is fsc 12 gram co2

@@Pixie-lw6sq Yep. However, the power difference out of the box is crazy!

@@Pixie-lw6sq nah, amazon has them.

Hey brother, yeah, it’s really not in my nature to tell you which one is better per se, I want to give you all of the information and let you make your own decision. That is correct, though, the gavel does not have a swappable magazine. However, it hits considerably harder. Truth is, you couldn’t go wrong with either one of these two launchers. They are both definitely top dogs in their game. You might also take a look at the salt supply S2.

Awesome! They are heavy hitters for sure.

I think I might have been a combination of the two. They have their own pepperballs that won’t break under those pressures.

@@AlternateArmsSD Yes, I've ordered the Gavle. But, their pepper balls are $5 a round. Seeing if there might be a cheaper choice. If it was the spring, I might be able to use lighter/cheaper rounds at higher velocities. Just checking options while waiting for my launcher. Thanks for your vids/help!

@@yadjekim No worries my friend! I am pretty sure that the pavashot rounds will work if you use the soft spring. I will actually be testing that here shortly. :-)

@@AlternateArmsSD Also, if I needed to use it, it'd be very high stress, I would think that pepperball rounds would be MUCH less likely to ricochet if I miss. Liability management. Gotta plan ahead. Thanks!

@@yadjekim I agree completely. The beauty is, you don’t even actually have to hit the target. Hit the ground in front of them, the roof above them, or of course, a good old-fashioned torso shot :-)

You certainly can (and I do) ;)

Keep in mind though, with the gavle you need a specific spring for the pepper rounds. I believe it does work with the kinetic though.,

Hehe Yeah, it has a heck of a report :) no, the human skull is even more dense than Scully, also, you have the added aspect of skin, fat, and vessels. My guess is it would definitely break the skin on a direct hit, but I seriously doubt it would penetrate the skull. It would certainly issue an attitude correction though :-)

Yeah, this is not a “quick reload” launcher for sure. However, practice practice paractice and make those shots count.

@@AlternateArmsSD Thank you. Can you reply to my other post below?

@@AlternateArmsSD Yeah but sometimes it's not always a one on one thing and there are more than one assailant or ppl are getting jumped.

@@TheAlmightyGod1 True, that’s where the pepper rounds come in. Alternate your rounds and aim center mass. You’d be amazed how many bad guys change their attitude when you hit them with these. Also, statistically speaking, they are looking for “soft targets” that can’t or won’t fight back. Cowards tend to flee from force. Either way, practice is key in any well rounded self defense scenario.

Now you're talking!!!!

As would I. I’m not sure that the 3.2 pepperballs were the same exact size meaning I could have been losing air between the rounds and the barrel. I have a series on videos planned though and we will use a variety of rounds :)

Coming soon to a video near you... The Fireball Rounds!!! They ignite as they fire out of the barrel and explode on impact doing AOE damage to everyone in a 6 foot radius 😱 But yeah I'd be very interested in seeing how lighter round fare with this beast of a launcher. I don't think I've seen any videos of someone using anything but V2 ammo.

@@Joreel ROFL!! That could be entertaining :)

It would cause a MAJOR bruise and soft tissue damage. It would certainly deter an attacker.

The 5 round limitation is a concern but, statistically, most encounters are resolved the first 4 rounds. In fact, in a majority of self-defense situations, the presence of the launcher deters the criminal. Also, practice practice practice ;)

If you need more than 5 rounds from this thing, you are no longer in a situation where you should be relying on less lethal. 5 rounds at 35-40 joules is far more effective than 10 or 15 rounds at 10-12 joules from the other concealable options. Byrna has a magazine, but by shot #6 you are at 8 joules. Paintball guns shoot at 12-14 joules, and kids shoot eachother with them for fun.

@@timakers6896 for one I truly hate the design having to compress a spring and then deal with having to screw it down I also don’t like the twist co2 look I’m older my hands are not what they use to be I’m not messing with all that .I also try to avoid using my real guns if I have too for me the clip is a deal breaker my fsc does 50 Jules with a 12 gram clips they make

@@timakers6896 Agreed. Also, if you TAKE 5 rounds from this thing, and it doesn’t correct your attitude, then you might be needed back in krypton. :) This thing hits like a freight train!

@FroggyMan Yeah the loading could be a bit challenging for you but the twist is actually MUCH easier than I thought it would be. Give them time, I suspect this isn’t the end of their journey :)

I don't know Brother. This looks like an off the shelf model. It as packaged exactly the same as the others they ship. Now, it's possible my chrono was reading wrong but based on what I saw on Skully, I don't think it was. This thing is loud and powerful. Also, I've never had any other Grimburg launchers, so this was my first experience with one and so far... I'm impressed. Time will tell as I have a series planned for it.

I believe the reason these numbers are this high is because these are the new JulV3. They don’t have copper. They have steel and are better bore matched. The Julv3 are .686 The new solstice coming out in 2025 wiil get 44j. Great test John. Thanks Grimburg made those new JulV3 with the steel powder instead of copper in the old JulV2. Because they work with the new magnetic detent

John, Sean Kempter used the Grimburg JulV2 in the Salt Supply S2. Grimburg discontinued the JulV2. But I believe those new JulV3 Grimburg sent you will be better bore matched for the S2. They are the closer in size to the S2 barrel than the JulV2. Maybe you can do a test with those JulV3 in the S2. To see the joules it’s putting out. Also Grimburg does have a pepperball made by Duke. They have steel powder in them. They are 6g. Thanks and awesome testing

@@thepepperballprepperlessle6486 Yep, I’ve been emailing back and forth with Grimburg about they spring, the pepper rounds, and tests. I have so many plans for this launcher :)

@@AlternateArmsSD I am curious about the trigger pull weight.

I may give that a shot, but I’m thinking blow out the seals :-)

@@AlternateArmsSD - I hope you don't mind but, in that case I'll let you try it first! :)

@@elliottlang9100 hehe Ill see what I can do. :) Hey may not be barrel matched for the Byrna either.

You know, I actually didn’t notice! I’ll look tomorrow and let you know :)

Not a firearm. Can’t be a ghost gun.

@@dta6446 we are aware of that, but you just know cops and prosecutors will use that "no serial #" bs against us. I read in a FB group post that someone used a gavle in public and the cops confiscated the launcher. Kurt had to talk to the pigs and explain what the gavle was all because it doesn't have a SN and the pigs didn't know about grimburg.

Saluti, sono anche molto facili da aggiornare. :)

Yeah, the biggest issue is size. Even with perfect engineering, the .68 round is big. Also, you have the limitations of the 12 (or in this case 16) gram C02 cart. They have a tremendous amount of power but limited capacity. These were never designed to be a replacement for a firearm, they are another option.

Also, when ordering it takes 21 days from the day that you purchase your order to receive in the mail, it goes under rigorous testing and quality control when you accept it in the mail it will fire over 1000 shots. Flawless.

I see your brother :-) then again, I think I’m the only RU-vidr that actively answers his viewers :-)

@AlternateArmsSD Thank you I agree you are one of the rare few utubers that appear to actively reply to comments that is much appreciated. However the post after this in quotes appears to has been either removed or somehow made invisible. Just bringing this to your attention and interested in knowing how or why my comment is invisible or deleted. Here’s the comment I made --- “Very much appreciative of your videos. And glad your experience with the gavel was a positive one. Sadly my results with it were very poor and would never feel comfortable or safe trusting it in a less lethal encounter due to it leaking all the gas after one or 2 shoots. Supposedly had it repaired and returned and did same thing. Then got exchange and had same problems using up all the bag of co2s grimeburg sold each time. I've given up on it. Now I have a useless $500+ paperweight. Sorry to post negative experience with it but people have right to know there are and have been a bunch of problems with it and there are videos and many posts conveying the same issues from quite a few gavel buyers trying it. Of course some post have been abruptly removed and the OP’s were banned from the grimeburg less lethal facebook forum page. Which to me is extremely petty especially without any warnings or explanation. Because of that also I lost all respect for the grimeburg principals (won’t say any names but its known who it is) who I used to revere for his contribution and development of LL products, but that was the last straw for me. You got a great channel and do great reviews and will continue watching them as an avid subscriber and customer to your website. I hope I am not banned for simply sharing the truth in what I witnessed and experienced. Look forward to your next review video.”

That does seem to be the case :)

Oh yeah!!!

Sorry, not even close. We have the design but we haven't prototyped it. And we probably need to do a year of testing. The current wist to pierce method does not fail. Magazines are less reliable than the current design. For the weight, size, and statistically the Gavle launcher makes more sense.

@@grimburglesslethalso does that mean you have no plans at all to integrate said systems into future models?

FACT! :)

Agreed, hence practice practice practice :) I believe they’re actually working on something to alleviate that as well.