i m 45yo European,watching NBA from 88. We live in the era of stupid journalists-analytics I highly appreciate LBJ but having supporters like them (Perkins,Wright,Sharpe etc), it only harms his reputation. All of them have the IQ of a goldfish. Personally i believe that the GOAT conversation has been finished when rules changed. Any Superstar of current era would play well back in time but not without struggles. Bring Mike in this era that nobody would be able to touch him and you ll see stats you wouldn't believe
@@JustLove.Official oh really? How did today's best player fair against Kobe? LBJ couldn't even get past Kobe when he was defended by him but Kobe could get his shots against him. What things couldn't MJ do today that he did in the 90s? You couldn't touch him now. No bigs? Emphasis on offense? Don't tell me about 3 pt shots because he averaged 37.1 on 2 point shots and he could make it his strength if it's what he needed in today's league. Imagine a guy like Isaiah Thomas can average almost 30 ppg... Who would stop MJ? I mean a physical double and triple team couldn't. What would today's no touch defense do to slow him down? Humor me. Is anybody breaking his midrange game in today's league despite lesser physical defenses? Volume/efficiency wise?
Kendrick is on the same level as ryan Hollins. No one should take him seriously. The man thought mj wasn't competing for a chip at age 35.... the man WON IT. This video is amazing lol
Ok, how the hell is Perkins gonna downplay any player when he wasn’t even a great player! Jeff Hornacek was no slouch, especially when you compare him to Perkins career! Come on man, show some damn respect to others unless you want your card pulled!
Perkins was good on those celtics and thunder teams as a defender and a big man presence but he became a joke when he went to the pels, then the cavs talking shit to curry in the finals while riding the bench lmfao
@@tj5180 Yea, he was a perennial bench rider who talked big sh!t! Now he is paid to talk sh!t about players way above his career pay grade! He talks so much sh!t about Jordan like he was even close ton that level! Now he acting like Hornacek wasn't a decent player! Damn him and Nick Wright got some nerve!
@@GuyVick you don't know basketball at all. Jordan would a average 50. He did what he did on a tighter defense where people hack you bring you down and it's just a foul or flagrant 1 the most. Yet he did what he did...8 time scoring champion. Today's NBA is soft...you can't hand check your opponent. Back then you can grab shirts.
Lebum James will be the all time leading scorer in NBA history only because of all the years he played. He also is currently the all time leader in turnovers. Some goat. MJ accomplished more in less years played.
@@LoftyXsWaGX34 no, no, no. Don't ever mention Kareem and LeBron in the same sentence. The Skyhook was created because Kareem was BANNED from dunking. He played THE GREATEST PLAYERS in 2 different decades. God forbid someone put a hand on Bron. PR Firms are really doing their job. Got people who SHOULD know better believing the hype.
I dont really like LeBron but haters act like he dont Do nothing great. He IS for sure top 5 greatest of all Time now. I dont like his game but i must accept he IS the greatest player since 2 décade. It IS Always Amazing. No?
@@JetEngine85 you do realize Kareem dunked too right? And he had plenty of layups. The main reason lebron will pass him with less shots is 3pt attempts.
It's amazing how Kendrick Nick and others can say anything and then actual history proves them wrong. But the sad thing is LeBron fans believe what they say as the absolute truth
@@xcbaby123 lebron couldn't be the goat even if he was giving you milk for your cereal. Now go play while the grownups talk facts kid! Night night.... Goat... 😂😂😭 You extra crispy funny kid! For real though, it's bedtime cuz your obviously dreaming youngster! 🎤🖕
@@linorestrepolobo3620 lol no it wasn't. being able to foul your opponent don't make it tougher. They barely got fined in the 90s 80s 70s now they get fined a ton of money. That is the only reason players seemed tougher.
Man... I wouldn't pick LeBron over Kobe. Let alone VS MJ. The sheer killer mentality of Kobe is enough to leave LeBron bitting the dust. I swear that these commentators (refuse to call them analysts) are getting stupider by the minute.
I think Bird is better than lebron, better shooter, better rebounder, passing they both equal both are elite passers. Bird was a good defender people don't give him props but let's give it to Bron. Bird better free throw shooter and it ain't close. Lebron is better at finishing and defense that's it.
@@jorgenorberto293 no knock on Lebron he's an all Time GREAT but he's overrated. He's too 5 for sure he's awesome. But better than MJ, Kobe or bird... no.
Jordan is arguably the goat. Lebron is a top 10 player of all time. Still absolutely great, but there’s 0/10 times that I’ll choose lebron over MJ to start my team.
@Truth is Truth! 2022 To be clear, in my opinion Jordan is the goat. That said, theres decent arguments of why Kareem could challenge him for that spot.
@Someone you do realize Kareem has 6 mvps, including some After the nba - aba merger? N shitting on him for allowing the GREATEST POINT GUARD ever to take lead is not a bad thing. And make no mistake, even if Jordan played with Magic, the ball would be in Magic’s hands. Another argument would be competition. It’s arguable that Jordan’s competition in the finals wasn’t as great as the 80’s. Jordan got his first title against the Lakers AFTER Kareem retired and DPOY Cooper retired, they were not the same. You take the 90’s bulls and face them off vs the 80’s Lakers, Celtics and pistons and they would still win some but maybe not 6/6. Jordan won his last 2 rings vs Stockton and Malone who were 34/35 years in age. Why didn’t Utah jazz get to the finals in the 80’s? Many people argue the expansion teams watered the league down Anyways, those are just a few arguments off the top of my head that I’ve debated with people for years. If you respond, I’ll get back to you later, I’m off to go play ball 🏀 peace bro
@Someone and that's kareems fault that he won 4 MVPS pre aba and 2 post merger? You acting like the ABA was on a whole another level than the NBA lol stop it And No, if Jordan and Magic played together, Magic would have the ball in his hands. He would look to find Jordan but it would STILL start with the ball in Magic's hands. It's funny how you say "jordan didn't win in the 80's because hewas the sole all star" but for kareem you say "its not like kareem ever won without oscar or magic or worthy or anything" lol @ the way you give jordan an excuse but hate on kareem for the same shit. I agree that Jordan is the goat but you're clearly bias in this "debate" Jordan would not have won 6/6 against the Prime showtime lakers and Boston Celtics. Stop it. You're vastly underestimating the 80's Celtics and Lakers. They would've smashed the teams the Bulls faced in the finals.
Fun fact: LeBron in 2011 finals scored fewer than 20 pts 3 different times. Jordan in 179 playoff games scored fewer than 20pts, 5 different times. Jordan scored more than 50 pts in the playoffs, 8 different times.
@@bozoman7954 bruh it ain't even no contest when you compare Jordan playoff career to LeBron or anybody! The guy got out scored in his first playoff series against the bucks. Terry Cummings avg 29.7 ppg and Jordan avg 29.3! He never got outscored in a playoff series again!! He even had the record for most assists per game when they played the blazers. Jordan avg 32ppg that series and 11 ast per game! Even had a 54 point game and had 9 reb 8 assist 6 steals and 3 blocks!! The guy took it to another level in the postseason! Never scored fewer than 15 points in a playoff game! LeBron has scored single digits 2 times!
Fun fact- Lebron is the only player in NBA finals history to lead BOTH teams in EVERY STATISTICAL CATEGORY! points, rebounds, assists, steals, and blocks... that's both sides of the ball. Guess what? Jordan has never done that! Miss me with the perfect Jordan worship.....
@@spine--damaged the 2015 finals? No, his team lost, his TEAM! We are comparing individuals, not teams. Did the Bulls have a better team than the Cavs did for the finals I'm talking about? Yes they were leaps and bounds better. Jordan had Pippen on his team, Lebron didn't have Kyrie or Kevin love for that finals, yet even in a loss he was considered for finals MVP and had what is considered the greatest finals performance in NBA history...
I watched Jordan at the tail end of his career when he retired the 2nd and 3rd time. Next player I gravitated to was Kobe because of how similar they played but to me Jordan will always be the GOAT
That final point was the absolute Hammer 🔨 MJ eastern conf 8 - 60 win teams 31 - 50 win teams LeFraud eastern conf 5 - 60 win teams 24 - 50 win teams The actual debate is for 2nd place between Wilt and Bill Russell.
Amen 🙏 so true 👍 We'll in my opinion MJ edges Bill only because of the lacking of teams. I believe it was less than 30 teams...? in the league in Bill era 1955-1975. Also may I add the lacking of "true Opportunity" for African Americans Unless you were a unicorn or Over 7'- 6'10 ect. This is just my opinion. I could be totally wrong.
Bro that doesn’t mean nothing Lebron had still faced more HOF and beat more also in the Finals he had faced the much tougher competition ever against 2 of the greatest teams of all time Spurs and Warriors that is why he can’t win more than 4 rings Jorbum couldn’t even win without Pippen just loss in the 1st round with negative records also quit from basketball retiring twice no longevity he can’t win without the best Pippen Lebron had carry teams to the Finals by himself like in 2007 and 2018 that is the real 🐐 also greatest comeback in history 2016
@Someone Jordan 10 All Defensive teammates while Lebron only had 2 Jordan team was much better at defense also y’all discredit Lebron for longevity but you don’t see he had more All Star teammates because he had be longer in the league that’s not fair to compare he also had more All Star and All NBA than MJ he had 18 and 18 which is a record that also matters but y’all Jordan stans only call it longevity which is not truth at all Lebron had more in less time played still also as well
It's Painful To Watch Kendrick Perkins Struggle And Stumble Through His Segments. I Honestly Believe They Hired Kendrick Perkins To Embarrass Himself And Our People As A Whole 😏👌🏿. OMFG!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Remember KP put up a zero on his eye when asked how many championships the Warriors would win in the last four years. What happened after that? Golden State got its fourth chip. Humiliating KP. Now as for Jordan not having the toughest road getting to where he is until now. KP really isn't knowledgeable about NBA history. It too six years for MJ to win his first NBA championship. Eventually leading the Bulls to a three peat. He temporarily retired because of his father's death. So when he ultimately unretired he leads the Bulls to another three peat. Lebron James could never surpass Jordan in terms of greatness. And by the way, MJ has a more stacked resumé over Lebron James.
For two resumes that are supposedly "equal", how can someone be considered the "GOAT" if they've only been the greatest assist leader and greatest scoring leader once each? Jordan was the greatest scoring leader, greatest steals leader, and Defensive Player of the Year in just one season... and that doesn't even include the other 9 times he was scoring leader and 2 other times he was steals leader. How can someone be considered for Greatest of ALL Time, when they aren't even the greatest in one season?
Wow thanks for the insight, I don't much care though, LeBron is the best that I have ever SEEN. The whole teammate thing doesn't matter when you're better than everybody else.
@@HTxGhost24 it's a big reason why lbj has chips though. He hasn't won a championship without having a 23-point scorer with him in the finals. He has also played with Ray Allen Shaq Melo Russell Westbrook wade Anthony Davis. All on the top 75 players of all time. Mj yes needed pip and Rodman. But mj has won chips with the lowest Supporting Cast in history. With pip only scoring 14.9 points a game. Big difference between mj and lbj.
@@waynewalton8798 also Rodman was on the opponent side in the first three peat so he only actually need someone who can score (!5+)double digit and at least defend the opposing players to get to the chip.
i started watching nba since 1997 until now at that time im a grant hill and allen Houston fan thanks to you tube i review all the games in the past now im convince that mj is the real deal. so effortless in his game tenacious defense every move is not wasted how the hell he do that man.
Jordan had many Obstacles early in his career. But then he became the Obstacle. Not may today seems to understand that. They need to watch his full games and not just highlights, as the highlights really don't show what Jordan was capable of.
The fact that Kendrick Perkins and Nick Wright have a job speaks to the low bar set for basketball analysts. This channel is proof that you get better on RU-vid that the national sports media.
I think MJ had the harder road. Nowadays players can leave their team at any point. So loyalty is gone and building something is gone. Players have moved so much it's made the league pointless to watch.
@@paulrodriguez2337 you do realize that MJ faced far more HOF and top 100 all time NBA players than LeChoke ever did right!? Also lebron played plumbers all throughout his playoff runs in the weaker east. You LeBum fans really try to stretch the narrative. Also, MJ’s finals opponents have a better win average than Lebron’s so I really don’t know what your point is. And lebron formed many more super teams and lost. What else would like to try and get disproved at?
@@paulrodriguez2337 LOLOLOLOLOLOL! You have so many caps it’s not funny. 4 HOF on the Celtics, Bad Boy Pistons with 3 HOF, Ewing lead knicks, Reggie Miller’s Pacers, Shaq and Penny lead Magic, Magic lead Lakers, Clyde Drexler’s Trailblazers, Charles Bartley’s Suns, Gary Payton’s supersonics, Utah Jazz twice with Stockton and Malone. And I’ve left some out! You mean to tell me you believe all these players are plumbers!? Meanwhile lebron played the Gilbert Arenas Wizards, ben Wallace Richard Hamilton Rasheed Wallace Chauncey billups pistons, New Jersey nets with Jason Kidd Vince Carter and Richard Jefferson, then lost to the Celtics which to be fair had a super team in KG Ray Allen and Paul Pierce but then lost the next year to the Orlando Magic who just had Dwight Howard and Janet Nelson! Then forms his own super team in Miami and goes 2-2 when he’s clearly on the best team in the league and can’t get the job done. Should have been 1-3 but ray allen bails him out after he clanks a 3 off the backboard and bosh grabs an amazing rebound to save them. The goes 1-3 in Cleveland in the finals against a tremendous warriors team but still can’t get the job completely done. The warriors are the equivalent to the Chicago bulls and don’t even dare compare the spurs to that bulls team. They would get bullied!
@@whodatjt Suns only had Barkley and Sonics only Payton and Blazers only Drexler WOW!!! Just WOW what an amazing competition Bulls were much better team he also got swept by the Celtics got beat thrice by Pistons just stop the cap 🧢 he only beat teams with 1 HOF Lebron beat Warriors in 2016 in the greatest comeback in history who had 3 HOF and beat Spurs who had 4 HOF also OKC had 3 HOF KD,Westbrook and Harden just stop Lebron had faced much tougher competition he doesn’t have more than 4 rings because of that but he had still beat those teams at least once
Jeff Hornacek was one of the best 3 point shooters.. He performed better than most 3 point shooters nowadays during the playoffs.. 43.3% 3p% in his career in the playoffs!
You know what's crazy . If LeBron had Jordan's team he would still lose . Rodman would be standing in corner . And he would be passing the ball to pippen like he Carmelo or sumn . You see the difference between MJ and LeBron. Give MJ AD Russ Melo Dwight or Dwade and bosh . He woulda toughened bosh up . He woulda made russ a DOG 🐕 on D . He woulda won 🏆 with LeBrons teammates .
First off MJ with AD Russ Melo and Dwight is not winning. Who passes and who shoots 3s. And LeBron with Scottie, rodman, and kerr. I'm telling you LeBron would make kerr shine. LeBron has always made shooters look good. He demands a double by driving and throws it to the corner. But LeBron is just a better Magic Johnson, and we know how Johnson did.
@@dfrenchiestfry5063 that's true about LeBron G. But you know LeBron needs a scorer along side of him . Some one who can close or consistently can get you 25 to 30 every night. LeBron not Goin have that with scottie . Scottie is great . But he never avg over 22 . So that's Goin put LeBron in the main scorer closer role . Even tho LeBron can close . We all know his mindset is not MJ or Kobe . He's not gonna kill the team with attempts . Who is he gon pass it to when he need a bucket 🪣. When can he rest ? Who's gon takeover the scoring . Brons assist gon take away from his aggression . That's not his game
Perkins, proof that playing a sport professionally doesn’t mean that you know anything about it. You gotta be a special kind of stupid to be around anything for that long and not walk away with any understanding or nuance but… yeah… there it is… live in 4k.
Like how perk was like LeBron had to go through Kobe, Shaq, Dirk, and KG ... eh not really. Never played Kobe or Shaq in a series, lost to dirk, and beat like a 34 year old KG. I'm giving him KG, I'm just saying he wasn't young haha.
@@JetEngine85 The east being the weaker conference was mentioned in this video, what wasn't mentioned was that 2012 and 2020 featured less games, therefore less opportunities to win 50+ games and etc.
If Lebron would have stayed with Cleveland, developed a young talent like MJ did with Pippen and willed the Cavs to the Championship he would definitely be in the GOAT convo. When he dominated the Pistons in the ECF I was in awe and truly thought this was the guy that could surpass MJ. Then "The Decision" happened and he ruined his legacy. Imagine MJ telling the Bulls, forget you guys Im joining Isaiah, Dumars and Laimbeer. Thats what LeBron did to the Cavs.
MJ didn’t need to do that because he already had the Super Team with Pippen and Grant next later will come Rodman and he always had the 🐐 coach Phil Jackson enough said
@@paulrodriguez2337 Grant and Pippen were drafted by the Bulls and weren't superstars when they arrived in Chicago. They became great playing with Jordan.
Here’s my opinion. The fact that LeBron James has played so many more games and so many more minutes than Michael Jordan, of course he’s going to have more points and more rebounds and more passes and where have you. But if you give them the same amount of time the same amount of minutes, Jordan surpasses LeBron. And another thing too, to have played so long, not have accomplished the things that Jordan accomplished, speaks volumes. And the fact that people still consider Jordan the greatest,nuff said
Plus the fact that Jordan never had a "rest" day. i think that's the dumbest thing. If you want to "rest", do it at practice. Jordan didnt do that either. LBJ will never be the goat. He could score 100,000 points and still wouldnt be considered the goat, in my opinion
Lebron rebounds and assists had always be higher than Jordan only points are not higher Jordan better scorer but Lebron more efficient he pass him in points with less shots attempted
KP is just carrying Lebron's weight on ESPN to stay in Lebron's personal orbit. Any true student of the game of basketball will tell you almost if not all of what he says doesn't line up with the facts. Nobody had to carry Jordan's water and didn't need people to beat their chest about his greatness. The other thing I would disagree about the most pressure on an Athlete...someone forget about Tiger Woods? Dude was on a talk show at age 3 and actually lived up to the hype.
In Jordan's career, he averaged over 30ppg 8 times. Lebron equalled it once and went above twice. Given that you can't touch a guy now without it being deemed a foul, and referees seem to turn a blind eye to travel rule Lebron should be averaging over 40 if you want to compare him the MJ.
I'm guilty of being a bit of a Lebron basher, and I think it's time I give him his due. He's done some incredible things in his career. He's definitely on the list of baby GOATs, and who knows - if things had been different (like if maybe Mike had been a quitter in high school and focused on baseball after getting cut from the basketball team), then maybe Lebron would have the GOAT title locked up in most people's minds. However... Jordan ISN'T a quitter, DIDN'T quit basketball, and proceeded to completely rewrite the definition of greatness. Lebron is an iconic player - a generational one even. He's been a dominant force in the league for almost 20 years, and that deserves some respect. But MJ, though... That dude was DIFFERENT. Never mind the 10 scoring titles (only WIlt Chamberlain has even HALF that many), the 6 rings, the 6 FMVPs, the 5 MVPs, the All-NBA Selections, the defensive accolades, the 3-peats, the iconic shots and games... forget all that and just remember this: Michael Jordan went 11 years without losing 3 games in a row. And if that doesn't squash any challenges to his GOAT status, then this can also be referenced as well: if playoffs are included, Michael Jordan has the longest double-digit point-scoring streak in NBA history... by more than 200 games.
Jeff Was A Clutched Spot Up Shooter From Mid Range & From 3. He Has Scored Many Lay Ups With Physical Contact. Jeff Played Great Defense He Will Get 2 Steals A Game For His Team. Jeff Also Was Not A Lazy Player On Either Side Of The Court. Only Weakness Jeff Had Was Regular Athleticism That's It.
No one has yet to talk about how many hall of famers Jordan play against (and still the best player in the league) vs Lebron. During Jordan's era, almost every team had 1 or 2 hall of fame players...not so much now a days.
The "Nachoooooooo Libre" clip was absolutely sensational.😆😅😂🤣 Perkins is a "Troll analyst" He's so auto of left field it's like having the sun in your eyes when he's speaks about the "The Goat 🐐" topic.#23 Michael Jeffrey Jordan
It took Lebron about 6-7 years to pass Kobe as best player in league. Lebron had about 5 years as clear-cut #1 (which is great). Then Durant moved ahead. Now it's Giannis/Jokic trading years as best... Jordan was best player on the planet from 1983 - 1998. BEFORE his 1st season with Bulls, he led college all stars to 8 straight wins over NBA all stars! No cap. It's right here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-a4qy1klDae4.html
Only question I have is "what about Kobe"? I feel like he's so underrated especially because he's the closest thing to M.J. Just a thought. Don't forget Wilt's crazy untouchable records.
Shaq flat out asked "what about Kobe, why doesn't Kobe's name get brought up?" when asked about MJ and LeBron. LeBron can't be better than MJ when he isn't better than Kobe.
While I totally admired Kobe and meaning no disrespect at all, it is obvious to me that if he was the closest we have seen to MJ, he was no MJ. LeBron manages to be in the GOAT discussion because he is a completely different animal, which Kobe was not. It is easier to compare Kobe to MJ and come to the conclusion that MJ is on another level. LeBron has the longevity argument - but that's it.
Perkins was wrong on his longevity comparisons with MJ. MJ won a CHAMPIONSHIP against Utah Jazz at 35 years of age against the great Malone and Stockton AND Perkins is RACIST to bad mouth Jeff Hornachek. Basketball is a TEAM SPORT and people don't value players correctly in the NBA at times . That UTAH JAZZ Team was BAD ASS and would have beaten the Bulls during the MJ baseball days when MJ turned out to suck at Pro baseball
That's why, whenever I hear someone in this generation say LeBron is better than Michael Jordan, I laugh. Kendrick Perkins just exposed himself. "Michael Jordan wasn't competing for a championship at 35". Bro had no idea what the hell he was talking about. Sit down, bro👎
People seem to keep forgetting that today's NBA is much weaker NBA than the 90's. Lebron would be nowhere near as dominant as he was if he had to go up against players like Barkley, Mason, Rodmam, Ewing, Pippen, Drexler, Kemp, etc... Jordan on the other hand would destroy today's NBA. You can't even hand check nowadays. Jordan would drive every time and either score or draw a foul. Besides that, Jordan could guard every single position. Lebron cannot. On the flip side, a very small handful of NBA players could even somewhat guard Jordan. The same can also not be said about lebron. He is very guardable.. Anyone who actually thinks that these 2 are comparable in any way, clearly lacks basic knowledge of basketball.
Idk what universe ur in but I think I read one correct sentence in this post "you can't even handle check nowadays" Lebron is bigger and stronger than Michael, how the hell is LeBron "the greatest driver of the basketball" gonna be stopped. And defensively LeBron isn't as good as mj but LeBron can 100% defend all 5 positions. And lastly LeBron is plenty unguardable. There are plenty of aspects LeBron beats Michael at. LeBron may not always turn his killer mentality on but he has it. LeBron is #2 but not by much. Jordan is NOT a mythical creature.
This is why TV analyst aren't really are analysts. Heck, Perkins has zero NBA history knowledge BUT even those on the opposition aren't also are analyst. They don't state indisputable information to do rebuttals and are equally just as anecdotal as Perkins. There are many RU-vidrs who have basketball as a theme, could have shot down Perkins and made him look foolish on TV buy stating the facts and lies. TV analysts are entertainers and that's it. That's why they always hype LeBron and the young players and make controversial takes to make a sale.
Consider the following: The Bulls finished 10th in the Eastern Conference the year before Jordan joins the team. When Jordan joined the Bulls, they finished 7th, 8th, 8th, 3rd, 6th (Pippen in starting line up), 3rd (Phil Jackson's first season as coach), 1st, 1st, and 2nd. Then Jordan retires (the first time) and the Bulls finish 3rd without Jordan. Compare the above to Bird's impact on the Celtics. Celtics finish 10th in the Eastern Conference the year before Bird joins the team. Bird joins the team - he was the only change in the Celtic roster his rookie season - and the Celtics finish 1st, 1st, 1st, 3rd, 1st, 1st, 1st (McHale joins the starting line-up), 1st, and 1st. The next season Bird gets hurt in the fifth game, tried to play in the sixth game, but needs surgery and misses the rest of the season. Bird is the only roster change (again). The Celtics finish 8th in the Eastern Conference. Players are supposed to help teams win. Period. Bird did that instantly and knew how to make his teammates better, regardless who played with him. Jordan was great but it took him time to learn how to lead a team to the next level, and Jordan needed the right teammates to play with him, especially Pippen who would eventually become an MVP candidate (finished in the top 10 in MVP voting four times including third the first year after Jordan's retirement). By the way, Bird did the same thing in college with Indiana State. Before Bird joined Indiana State, they were 13-12. Then Bird leads Indiana State for three seasons and they finish 25-3, 23-9, and 33-1. Bird graduates and goes to the NBA and Indiana State finishes 16-11. Bird was clearly the difference. The season before Jordan joined North Carolina, the Tar Heels were 29-8, a #2 seed in the NCAA tournament and lost in the championship game. That's pretty good! Jordan's freshman year, NC is 32-2 and wins a national title (James Worthy dominated that game for NC). The next two years, NC is 28-8 and 28-3, earning #2 and #1 seeds in the NCAA tournament, getting upset both years in the tournament. Jordan leaves for the NBA, and NC goes 27-9, 28-6, and 32-4 , earning #2, #3, and #1 seeds respectively. In other words, NC was still great without Jordan. Unfortunately, we cannot do the same comparison with LeBron because he never went to college and, while in the NBA, he switches teams so many times, which will always be a negative on LeBron's resume. No single player did what Bird did at the college or NBA level when it comes to turning team success around.
kendrick needs to remember when talking about lebron going though adversity is that anytime any of his teams faced it he didnt perservere he ran to another team.and thats why i think lebron never had the winning mentality that mj had.is because anytime his teams were doing it hard he didnt wanna go through that so he ran to the heat then back to the cavs and then to the lakers destroying every franchise he left.lbj not even the second best of all time hes 3rd.
Jordan surely surpassed all the odds. All of them was hall of famers if not all star players. Mj because of skills and hardwork made it look easy to gain those rings. That is where the argument started because people nowadays specially lbj era looked onto 90s and 80s as less skilled because of lack of fancy plays and 3point accolades i am saying this not because its my opinion but because the stats says as well.... Drop the mic
who is kendrick perkins? the DangerProductions video of analytics and stats shows really how not even close it was . MJ is leaps and bounds beyond lebron and did 95% of what he did in realistically 12 years (minus a year out with broken foot and 2 wizards years) The average age of jordan, rodman, pippen and harper was 34.5 years old. Those four plus Kerr (33) , Luc Longley (30), Randy Brown (29), Toni Kukoc (30) and Bill Wennington (35) were the core that rotated. That core averaged age was 32.7 ( core that played 95% of the time) You need to make the stats clear at 4:54 . Was it at a certain age because jordan had 5 NBA MVP's , 6 Finals MVP's etc..
@@oinkypiggy7754 LMAO.. i guess you dont get my point. he didnt need to. it took lebron and kobe almost to their 18th year to pass jordan on scoring lol. If jordan did play out his career , didnt play baseball , and they didnt screw the bulls like they did, guaranteed he would have had a couple more championships undeniable. But, he didnt need to .
@@redtesta If that had happened I could see your point, but you cant be the Goat with only 3/4 of a career, thats like saying Yao < Vince Carter or something like that
@@oinkypiggy7754 how old are you? Take breaks? broke a foot second years. Dad died and it affected him and right after also lost interest and went to baseball for a year and a half .. that was it. I will take any day what jordan did in his career over the child and over rated lebron. I wont go into details tired of doing that but go watch DangerProductions video .. its the only one.. . it wasnt even close between him and lebron.. lebron is hyped up by this generation and the media.
I stopped the Jordan and Lebron comparison long ago when he went to team up in Miami with D. Wade and Bosh in order to get Passed to Celtics to win 2 titles. “Can’t beat’em join’em era” disqualified Lebron from that debate as well as Lebron vs Kobe. It’s equivalent to tryin to score higher on a test then your peers and you end up getting your hands on half the answers to the test while you’re taking it.
The disrespect to those Jazz Team is just wrong. The only reason they aren't considered top all time great team is because the greatest team ever, the Bulls beat them both times. Otherwise, they'd be up there. I saw those games, many were really close. The 1998 series had just one blowout by the bulls, the other 5 were decided by 5 points or less. Jazz were competitive. I actually thought they had a chance, and I was actually going for the Jazz in those days of my youth 🤷♂️
Kendrick Perkins hates Michael Jordan and really hates all the stars from the 80s and 90s. Because anytime you bring up anybody from the '80s and 90s according to Kendrick Perkins none of these guys could play.
@@eazymoneymane7789 you do realize that the rules were changed so Jordan could dominate right also Bill won 8 straight Jordan never been past 3 Straight. LeBron on the other has gone 8 straight but only won 3. So people can say Jordan is the GOAT all they want but facts are facts 11 -1 is never going to happen again.
@@Shockwave117yt , yea but it was only 12 teams try doing that with 32 teams different eras, he has the chips but offensively he's not that dominant, he's top 10 in my opinion, lebron is a better player as well, take nothing from Russell but wilt was better as a player
@@eazymoneymane7789 true however offense wins games defense wins championships plus Russell even said it himself he could have scored more but he had teammates that could score better. Offense I agree with you with tho. However you still need to take into account how much Bill impacted the Game he made it possible as a African American Male to make it in the NBA so My point still stands No Bill Russell No Jordan which means no Kobe or LeBron either
