Lets test the Valken M17 Pepper Ball Launcher!!! | This is EXTREME non-lethal self-defense! 

The next BEAST is on the Way 😀😀

@@__FRONTEX__ cant wait lol

It's not super popular in paintball due to reliability issues. I first got it for less lethal that can fire shaped rounds (Grimburg HP68) and then got into magfed paintball. It's been modified with a new shroud, longer and more accurate barrel, Magpul MOE buttstock on a buffer tube for a remote line, upgraded recoil spring, etc. It also has a bolt return handle, which I strongly recommend getting. It looks like an AR platform charging handle, but is used for stoppages where the bolt is fully forward. I'm also installing a 3D printed mag well to take a more reliable and cheaper mag than the M17 square head mags. On another note, the Tiberius Arms/First Strike T15 is quite popular in paintball. A VKS is just a T15 using M17 style mags and is most likely modified. Then there's the RAP4 468 PTR. That's in a league of its own. It'd be the ultimate less lethal launcher. IF you can get one, DO IT. They're backordered due to production for US Army for force-on-force training, but dig around in paintball forums and on reddit and you might get lucky. It won't be cheap, but well worth it.

@@northernlightsandsirens4230 I think reliability also comes up with less lethal mods to the M17, but it's still relatively popular as a cheap platform for mods. Umarex brands seem to hold up better under higher PSI. I love the look of the Tiberius T15 but it's blow-back design makes it weak for less lethal. The PepperBall VKS was my choice but the price has gone up way to much since I bought mine.

Ok, this is great brother!! I just spit tea across my table while reading it :-)

I was sold the second I opened the box :) It just got better and better from there :)

Greetings!! Thank you so much man!! Wait till you see what I have coming :)

You won’t regret it… It’s a whole new experience! :)

Thank you so much! That means the world to me. Have a great weekend!

Thanks man!! I have a lot of upgrades planned for it!

Greets!! Awesome! I have a bunch of upgrades on order too :) This thing is amazing!

@@AlternateArmsSD Looking forward to you next videos on the upgrades.

Thanks man! Yeah, this one’s gonna stay with me. I have plans….. :)

Oh it is!! I can’t wait to mod it! :)

Hehe There are sooo many to choose from!

Ooohhhh yes! :)

Thanks man! I do love the channel and making the videos. I have so many videos planned and so little time :)

Oh its in the works! We are not done with this baby by a long shot! Next we ramp that FPS :)

@@AlternateArmsSD haha...nice! 😉👍....huge tip....bonly increase velocity score SLOWLY...1/4 but at a time. The way the Bellevue washers are stacked in there will blow the cap pretty quickly. Biggest issue w those 😉👌.....but of course there is a different way can stack and even remove the regular completely 😉. Anything past 30 joules, you're definitely going to chanfe/upgrade to the Milsig Oring or it'll blow too lol. 👌

Yep! I have an adapter I want to test as well. Thanks for watching!

Thanks man!! Wait till you see what I have planned :)

Yes we are :) Thanks for watching man!

Yes indeed. I learned about this later ;) Thanks for the heads up!

Oh oh oh I like it!!!!!

Greets! About 4-5 mins but it’s a workout :)

I dig this thing!

Yeah I did a “mace gun” review. That’s what they were.

Not yet, Ive been waiting on a TCR.. and it may be coming ;)

Anxiously waiting, Jon.

Greetings! From what I can tell without a micrometer, they seem to be perfect. There are so many different ammo types and manufacturers out there that I suspect that may have to be its own video :) Thanks for watching!

Oh I’m aware. It just has more visual effect when you’re shooting up close on the camera :-) Thanks for watching!

I've been trying a few mods but your relatively limited based on the design. I'll keep you posted.

Heheh tons o air :) This thing is crazy!

That's on my list! :)

Yeah, folks tend to underestimate “less than lethal” weapons but they are no joke. Thanks for watching!!!

@@AlternateArmsSD hence the term “less Lethal”. The Valken M17 and pepperball VKS can easily be modified to do some serious damage. I definitely feel safer with this bad boy next to the bed. And it has an ASA quick charge on it so the platform can be pressurized immediately

I am in Fort Worth. Shoot me an email and I'll send you the address. Jonreynoldscts@gmail.com

It’s coming! :) I’ll be covering shotshow next weekend and burner is one of the first booths on the hit list. :-)

Hiya Gary! I got mine from versacarry.com It’s a standard “pancake” style holster but it fits almost everything.

Try the Blackhawk size 6 IWB, very cheap too.

When you get over 500FPS+ you can rupture the pepperballs if you're using a lower quality pepperball. In stock form, they fire perfectly! Thanks for watching!

Right?! This thing is begging for one :)

@@AlternateArmsSD Yeah. It's weird that you have to go 2 steps further with buying a canister and roundds for it. Almost any other products are coming with soem rounds and CO2 cartidges. Ok i get it this need a HPA canister but there should be a standard canister in the package.

It’s on my, ever growing, list :)

@@AlternateArmsSD thank you for all you do my brother . you are def in the top ten of air power modders in my book . last night i pulled out a couple pump JT ER markers , and the JT OUTCAST and thought , hmmmmmmmmm , i just wonder what i can do to make em more LESSTHANLETHAL !!!! LOL ..... you should see the internals on the JT -ER , they are very large and wild components . my thing is , if you can make that little hdp 50 compact marker shoot so much better , i wonder what these very cheap JT markers or capable of ???

@@rick31869 I’ve actually been looking for a supplier for some of the “lower end” launchers. And there are a lot of them. If I can get a few of these in the test, I left the head-to-head them against the bigger guys.

Yes, BUT, there is a valve you can install between the gun and the air tank to “turn it on and off”. I’ll show you on the next M17 video.

Hehe yeah man!! Wait till you see what’s coming! :) Thanks for watching brother!

@@AlternateArmsSD i couldnt imagine the airgun lessthanlethal community without you and your contributions brother !!! i look forward to see what you will do next !!!!

@@rick31869 You have no idea what that means to me man. I had no idea how much I was going to enjoy these. It’s become an obsession believe it or not :-) wait to see what I have coming in!

No, the smaller rounds would just fall out of the barrel. (Or come out with very limited force) I do have some interesting weapons coming up though.. Stay tuned :)

@@AlternateArmsSD nice there are so many less lethal weapon i was surprised by the large number of them i stay tuned

Yes you can. 3100 actually. You will love it!

@@AlternateArmsSD thank you, John.

ROFL!! Well, you must had different cap guns than I did :) I suspect that this will be a tad louder after we mod it :)

Actually, the M17's seemingly weak-sounding report is because of RU-vid, etc. On average, the report of most markers shot on RU-vid rarely sounds firearm-loud. The M17's , or any marker's, report is contingent on where the recording microphone was placed, the quality of the mic, the audio recorder's and app's settings, the recording device, editing, your speakers, or the volume setting, to name a few. Examples of this are on RU-vid: see videos where the hosts say something like: "man this is really loud, hope my neighbors don't call the police." But on our end a listener might say "that sounds like a cap gun." Anyway, having shot all manner of firearms, I agree with the premise that markers are not even close to being as loud as, for example, a 9 mm Glock. That said, I would qualify that assertion that IMO in a hostile indoor situation, in the heat of the perp's moment, these things will sound like a firearm because to the average low IQ career criminal/perp who doesn't know much about firearms: When the M17 is discharged in violence, I can almost guarantee to the perp the M17 will sound like the real deal, especially if your bore-sighted shots are on target to the neck, face, head, or hand (side note: shots to the hand are extremely painful, disabling, and disorienting. Given the choice and rare opportunity, I prefer hand rather kill shots. I duly note that when the adrenaline is coursing like a busted faucet, precisely targeted shots are probably not on the menu.) If I was to rate the M17's report (indoors, scale of 1 to 10, with 1 sounding like an assassin's silenced .22 and 10 being the distinguishing crack of an AK47) I would rate these at 3 to 4. However, and it is a BIG HOWEVER, when you upgrade the power on these things the report increases to the 5 to 6 range. Side Note: Neck, head, and hand shots are doable your M17, or any marker , that's "bore sighted" with a $25 laser bore sighting device, available on AMZN. The two I have are here: search AMZN for "Angeebin Universal Laser BoreSighter for .17 to .78 Caliber ..." Bonus Tip: The color of the laser beam on the bore sighter should be the opposite color of your marker's laser sight beam, this so it is easy to tell which is which on your targeting wall. I chose a green beam. Regarding lights and laser sights, I highly recommend this one, it is a combo device in a very small form factor (flashlight, defensive strobe, laser sight): on AMZN search "Firefly V5 Gun Light Laser Flashlight Pistol Combo | Combat Veteran Owned Company." (Note his 308 five-star average rating.) Hope that helps RU-vidrs who happen upon your comment and my long-winded gum flapping. Copyright ©1990-2023 Michael Mortimer, San Francisco, California. All rights reserved.

@@FoundingRU-vidr-2005 Well said! When it comes to any HPA or C02 weapons, the report comes from the sheer amount of gas leaving the weapon at one time. Once you turn this up to maximum, it get considerably louder in an enclosed setting. Case in point would be an unrestricted HDP50. It’s VERY loud! Have a great weekend!

Yo can buy a compressor or a hand pump for it. Also, and airsoft, paintball, or scuba shop can fill it.

@@AlternateArmsSD Thank you my friend.

@@williadawilliams My pleasure brother!

So strange you’d ask!!! Video coming about just that!

@@AlternateArmsSD love it! Looking forward to it!

@@AlternateArmsSDcan you link this video please? Thanks.

@@FloridaSunMitochondria I’m glad you reminded me, I’ve gotten so far behind on video production. So many projects, and so little time :-) I will revisit the M17 shortly.

Solid rubber, rubber/steel, aluminum, steel, and of course pepperballs

On average, 12-16J prior to any modifications and upgrades.

Grimburg modified the M17 to shoot 8 gram balls at 40 joule rating with CO2. Will that kill someone, and will it destroy the gun?

@@PatrickDeBoard1946 OK, this is where my channel will deviate a bit from the others. My goal is never to make a nonlethal weapon lethal. That defeats the purpose. However, the answer to your question is yes. You can absolutely get up to 80J from what I’ve seen. It is tough on the weapon, though, and it does require some internal upgrades. I suppose it all depends on your intended usage.

It’s coming Brother!! So many videos, so little time :)

R O FL !!!!!! It certainly felt like it! :)

I like it as well! It can also be modified like crazy! :)

@@AlternateArmsSD could you make a mod video on it i have 6 friends and family members who have it its strong but i bet with the mod it will be a BEAST i know that video will get many views i just subscribed to your RU-vid channel love your content your channel is great i know many people who are into the less lethal self defense community

@@fierrolisto3281 I sure will! Stay tuned!

@@AlternateArmsSD not sure if you are aware but some people are adding adapters so that they can instead of co 2 they are adding high pressure air (HPA) tanks which give you crazy high amount of joules.

@@fierrolisto3281 Funny you should say that…… stay tuned :)

16 or so and it’s very easy to upgrade! I love this platform

@@AlternateArmsSD thank you.

Funny you should mention that… It’s on my list :) Thanks for watching!

@@AlternateArmsSD Get it, review it and do what you do best. Thanks for taking the time to do in depth reviews

@@realitycheck3672 Thanks for watching brother! I love this channel, and I love showing people these products. I’ll do what I can to keep improving :-)

My understanding is The CQMF is identical but u can attach a remote line and it's all metal 🤔

@@bigv1 That one is on my list for testing as well :-) I also got another interesting one yesterday. Stay tuned, it only gets better :-)

Thats a TOUGH one :) Personally, I prefer the m17 :)

@@AlternateArmsSD I found one of those slightly modified it shoots between 40 and 50 joules for $570.00 Is that a good deal?

@@timmcculloch2608 That sounds a tad steep but if its well-built, it could be worth it.

@@AlternateArmsSD Do you sell them and built

@@AlternateArmsSD I can buy a brand new one on Amazon for $350 is that a good place to buy one from?

You can use a hand pump, a scuba tank, or a compressor. I have a link in the description.

Thank you

@@meanmike6169 Anytime Brother!

No, this uses a VERY high compression tank using compressed air. Its actually quite a bit cheaper in the long run too. Just charge it up and go :)

Yes indeed. Videos are coming on it. (So many projects, so little time) :)

Heck yeah! That’s what instructions are for :)

.68 Cal and its a beast on full auto! ;)

@@AlternateArmsSD damn

ROFL!! The sales schtick? I wasn’t aware they had one. Thanks for watching!

That would be wonderful! Shoot an email to jonreynoldscts@gmail.com ..

I havent run into many issues at this point aside from REALLY having to makes sure the magazine is seated. (Dropped one on my toe one time) :)

@@AlternateArmsSD mine probably was a Wednesday batch for Less Lethal I just stick with my Tiberius T8.1 with hp 68's and HDR 50 with valve block and restrictor removed thanks for sharing from Less Lethal SA 🇿🇦💪

@@mogamedfakier4800 My pleasure Brother! Wait till you see whats coming! :0

Yeah, learned that a tad later :) Thanks brother!

@@AlternateArmsSD Welcome

Absolutley!

EXTREME non-lethal home defense ;)

Hehe Fighting “stumpy” is an ongoing battle.. I had a fantastic bench camera until somebody decided to steal it right off my studio bench. I’ll get another one shortly :-)

That’s a great setup!

Every launcher is capable of being a pepperball launcher. Also, the M17 is used by many law enforcement agencies for riot control launching….. wait for it…… :) Thanks for watching!!

@@AlternateArmsSD Valken markets this as a paintball marker, not a pepper ball launcher. You are the only one on RU-vid calling it the "Valken M17 Pepper Ball Launcher."

@@FoundingRU-vidr-2005 That’s fantastic! I love being original. :) Also, and I can’t stress this enough, this can be pushed far beyond the ability to fire paintballs.

Well, that would actually bear with a little explanation. I’ve had this channel for a little over five years, and when it started, it was all retro tech, computers, and Gaming. However, over the years it evolved into anything technology based. Every launcher that I have shown, as well as all new designs that are coming out, are based in technology. So you could say that everyone of these launchers is a solution based on technology to the problem of less than lethal self-defense.

Ahhhhhh but its highly adjustable :) Wait for the upgrade video.. Its coming :)

Hey Brother, haven’t we been through this already?