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Rigid Collar Install Part 1 (Front) | Honda S2000 

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Hey everyone! Today I’m going to show you how to install rigid collars on a Honda S2000. There are a lot of great videos that discuss the purpose of rigid collars but none that cover the installation in great detail so I hope you’ll find this helpful. I’m installing the Manzo rigid collars but the process should be the same for Spoon or other brands. Let’s get to it.
Explanatory video on rigid collars: • Rigid Collar - Spoon S...
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Torque Specs
Steering Coupler bolts - 16 ft-lbs
Front, Middle Subframe Bolts (Front Subframe Only) - 85 ft-lbs
Rear Subframe Bolts (Front Subframe Only) - 43 ft-lbs
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Комментарии : 58   
@randycomeaux5958
@randycomeaux5958 Год назад
It would be a good idea to note that the steering wheel should be tied in place or otherwise stabilized before disconnecting the steering joint. I am waiting on a new clockspring to arrive.
@DIYGuysvideo
@DIYGuysvideo Год назад
Oh no! That is a pretty common mistake that happens when people mess with the steering wheel while it’s disconnected. I should have explicitly stated it but it’s implied that the steering wheel shouldn’t be rotated much while it’s disconnected. I’ll pin this comment for awareness.
@DarkFalcon6484
@DarkFalcon6484 Год назад
Glad I did this mod. It definitely made a difference and it feels much more absorbent over dips and imperfections on the road.
@Rob.Coleman
@Rob.Coleman Год назад
I absolutely love that you make these DIY's, but hate how you make everything look so easy 😄😄. Awesome 'how to' yet again, thanks 👍.
@lordadamfirst
@lordadamfirst Год назад
I know for sure every single bolt will be stuck and caked in rust on my car 😂
@sbfd3s
@sbfd3s Год назад
This is one of those things that sound like snake oil but actually make a noticeable difference to how the car feels. I thought they were bs but after I installed a set on my friends car I went out and got a set for myself. I doubt they will make you any faster but they make the car feel a lot tighter, they were one of the first things I added to my new S2k.
@MrCameljockey1
@MrCameljockey1 Год назад
This comment says it all. Instantly better drive. No bs.
@Asserti
@Asserti 2 месяца назад
I still believe it’s snake oil. If the subframe could move this much, the bolts would vibrate lose
@russelloppenheimer3970
@russelloppenheimer3970 Год назад
My theory on why these work: Subframe bolts are long. The bolt shafts travel through a wider hole in subframe and chassis. Deep holes. The subframe hole is wider than bolt. The chassis then has a deep hole that is wider than bolt, before bolt reaches threads in chassis. So the bolts act a bit like guitar strings. Taught, stretched and unsupported between bolt head and chassis tbreads. A long way. Any impacts in chassis will reverberate through this long length of open bolt shaft. So the subframe collars shore up the bolt shaft, so its a much shorter unsupported length. Shorter guiter string. Plays a different note, plays with less volume. Smoother over bumps. More taught during dynamic suspension motions (aggressive cornering, braking, etc). These are really long bolts. The subframe is hollow, and deep. The bolt holes are significantly wider than bolt, and the chassis hole is equally wide, and more depth before bolt reaches thread. Long lenth of bolt shaft able to flap in the breeze.
@unknownperson5089
@unknownperson5089 Год назад
I didn't even know these existed until you made this vid. I just installed Blox collars today using this video. Thanks a lot!
@Kh501pr
@Kh501pr Год назад
If your steering rack coupler is seized to the column and/or rack like mine was, here's what I did: 1) disconnect the negative battery terminal and disconnect the steering rack ground cable to the subframe 2) undo all 4 steering rack mount bolts and leave them sitting completely loose but don't remove them. 3) ziptie the steering rack to the crossframe above. 4) lower the subframe like done in this video Now when the subframe is lowered the steering rack stays in place (hovering by the zipties) without putting stress on the steering shaft! When you raise the subframe back up the loose steering rack mount bolts act as guides to reinstall the rack. Remember to reconnect the steering rack ground and your battery terminal when done.
@mushy18100
@mushy18100 Год назад
Rigid collars are like crushwashers of the subframe. 👌🏼
@lordadamfirst
@lordadamfirst Год назад
It blows my mind how clean and rustless the underside of your car is
@jiurriza
@jiurriza Год назад
Great video! Thanks. I'm getting mine next week
@smilin_lin
@smilin_lin Год назад
thanks for the torque specs. will be doing this soon.
@Jasserv
@Jasserv Год назад
Great video ! I tackled this mod on my s2k a while back and this vid and explanation would have made things easier. I struggled a bit getting everything lined up initially.
@russelloppenheimer3970
@russelloppenheimer3970 Год назад
Same situation. Did a while ago, trying to read Japanese instructions. This video would have saved a lot of time.
@altimatic2183
@altimatic2183 Год назад
Great upgrade 👍👍😊 I got the spoon ones for a good price
@brick4690
@brick4690 Год назад
Man not cleaning the crust and dust erks me nervs lol
@AnotherMotorist
@AnotherMotorist Год назад
Discussed with someone from blktrax a long time ago about rigid collars. He said that with the collars it's more tied together so they have the potential to bring hard components out of spec if you go over enough berm/curb/off track or enough bad street roads. Versus without the collars you'll only have to get an alignment every so often. What you think? I decided against the collars and they still sit somewhere in my garage. Have sat in cars that have rigid collars with similar suspensions or spring rates and they're able to absorb bumps better and ride smoother.
@MarkosMylonas
@MarkosMylonas Год назад
Nice. Very informative as usual. Ended up getting a killer deal on the Spoon ones so will be tackling that soon enough. I’m guessing once you did the 4 outer bolts, you cleaned up / out everything that came out of them yeah? Hoping mine aren’t as bad, but was planning to blow them out anyways.
@DIYGuysvideo
@DIYGuysvideo Год назад
I don’t think I cleaned out one because I didn’t see how much junk came out until I was into the next one but everyone should definitely wipe away that stuff.
@StonebrookRecords
@StonebrookRecords Год назад
Great video as always! Btw what song is that at @5:10
@DIYGuysvideo
@DIYGuysvideo Год назад
Deadlines by Dylan Sitts
@JordanPatterson26
@JordanPatterson26 Год назад
You specifically mentioned copper grease, I used a nickel based antis-sease, any concern?
@DIYGuysvideo
@DIYGuysvideo Год назад
No concern. Nickel has even higher temperature tolerance than copper so it should be fine.
@Loukisi90
@Loukisi90 Год назад
Great video as usual. To the point and clear explanation. I wanted to ask you if you had any experience with harmonic dampeners(ATI or Fluidampr) and if you think is a mod that the S2000 needs and if it will offer an actual improvement.
@DIYGuysvideo
@DIYGuysvideo Год назад
I don’t have any experience but I was just discussing this with a buddy and I am considering it. The main reason being that my CR is primarily a track car and spends a lot of time above 8k RPM. I’m a bit skeptical since it is a lot of money to sink into a pulley though. I’m curious if the car will have less NVH. I may reach out to urge to setup a review. What do you think?
@jinnnguyen7077
@jinnnguyen7077 Год назад
I could speak for Fluidampr (I think I had it installed in 2020), the ATI is just sitting atm. It won't cure NVH as I had it installed on my previously owned 2009 FA5, & currently my AP2v1. I wanted it it anyways for its wider RPM range protection. It will absorb the torsion characteristics the crankshaft has to uphold because i4 are naturally imbalanced. When crankshaft twists (torsional) during operation, the added vibration from it will affect it's position out of alignment/placement of the bearings (rod & main). Think how vibration affects oil flow smoothness, & generates additional heat too = Power loss. Vibrations that could NOT be dampened by Stock Pulley [@ w/e given range RPM] will then of course spread throughout the long block (oil pump &/or valvetrain failure). Keeping the operation as balance as possible also affect drivetrain power delivery from the powerhouse (engine) to your wheels. Not day & night noticeability, but it is a buy product from a more stable engine. Stock Pulley is limited in RPM protection range (I cannot say the range), but many will say, "Honda made it that way for a reason" as their uninformed 'reason' I would not recommend buying it for power gains or showing it off @ car meets.
@russelloppenheimer3970
@russelloppenheimer3970 Год назад
@@jinnnguyen7077 right! Damper damps vibes crank feels, not vibes you feel. In doing so, you might feel the added smoothness, but that's a side benefit.
@jinnnguyen7077
@jinnnguyen7077 Год назад
here is a mod I had on both FA5 & AP2v1 on top of Fluidampr **FA5 (stock internals except oil pump) Generic tune (VitViper) stock ice box mod RRC (FD2) IM, TB, & oil pump S2 Header straight pipe w/ Full Race Exhaust Hasport 70A engine mounts **AP2v1 (stock internals) stock ECU (was on Infinity) J's Racing T-Rev (1-way valve between intake elbow & valve cover breather) Vibratechnics engine mounts -the other way to reduced NVH is to rebuild your Driveshaft & Axleshaft -also, my engine & trans are lowered, so drivetrain is that much more leveled w/ differential, but I cannot prove that it helped w/ NVH (even though Driveshaft is positioned w/ lesser sloped)
@Loukisi90
@Loukisi90 Год назад
@@DIYGuysvideo I believe Fluidampr is slightly cheaper and the guys from Urge were pretty involved in S2ki forums. People were mentioning noticeable changes when installed. Would love a review from you if you can get your hands on one
@caffeine_carl
@caffeine_carl Год назад
Awesome video, great explanation as always. Just curious, why did you not go with spoon?
@DIYGuysvideo
@DIYGuysvideo Год назад
The Manzo collars are around half the price and easily available stateside.
@caffeine_carl
@caffeine_carl Год назад
@@DIYGuysvideo Do you feel a difference in handling with them ?
@DIYGuysvideo
@DIYGuysvideo Год назад
Haven’t driven the car yet and doing coilovers at the same time so probably won’t be able to isolate the difference.
@Marty1568
@Marty1568 Год назад
@@DIYGuysvideo what coilovers did you end up going with?
@DIYGuysvideo
@DIYGuysvideo Год назад
Shaftworks. Plan to make a video about it if I have the time :)
@MrRevto9k
@MrRevto9k Год назад
Can you do a DIY of drive shaft regrease?
@DIYGuysvideo
@DIYGuysvideo Год назад
Hmm. Maybe. I need a drive shaft that requires regreasing
@mrgizmo7975
@mrgizmo7975 Год назад
I heard the steering coupler can stay untouched, but I guess it is easy enough. Are the threads originally threadlocked, so do you have to reapply on coupler bolts?
@DIYGuysvideo
@DIYGuysvideo Год назад
The steering coupler can remain untouched depending on how much the subframe is lowered. I didn’t want to leave it up to chance if other people follow this video. Also, the directions for the spoon rigid collars suggest to disconnect it. I’m not aware of any bolts anywhere in the s2000 that have thread locker from the factory (and I have disassembled many S2000s to the bare frame).
@roadfordays
@roadfordays Год назад
I had to disconnect mine to get the subframe low enough for the spacers to slide in.
@nsxtacy1
@nsxtacy1 Год назад
Did you lower both sides at the same time to keep it level? Or did you lower each side in turn?
@DIYGuysvideo
@DIYGuysvideo Год назад
I lowered all the bolts while supporting the subframe with a jack. Then lowered the jack, which lowered the entire subframe evenly in one shot. Same way you’d lower the subframe when replacing the clutch.
@user-vx4dw1hr7b
@user-vx4dw1hr7b Год назад
Maybe you know the exact sizes Height/width inner outer diameter ?
@rolandotillit2867
@rolandotillit2867 Год назад
I would loosen the 4 long subframe a little bit, one at a time, this will reduce the chance of stripping any of the threads on the body.
@DIYGuysvideo
@DIYGuysvideo Год назад
As long as the subframe is supported and doesn’t move much I don’t see the value in doing that imo. I’ve basically borrowed the steps from the shop manual for lowering the subframe during a clutch job. Have you encountered issues in the past?
@rolandotillit2867
@rolandotillit2867 Год назад
@@DIYGuysvideo On a northwest car yes, had to thread in a helicoil for the passenger side rear bolt. You need a 12mm x 1.25 helicoil for those 14 x 1.5 for the fronts. Mostly my fault, and I agree , the key is to not let the subframe move around too much. Either down or up, because un-even stress on those bolts increases the chance of ruining the threads. Turns a 2hr job into a 3 day job waiting for the helicoil kit, and it's a $130 kit to boot.
@JBaek24
@JBaek24 Год назад
Is there a diagram of which bolts to lower first and hang the other ones? It was kinda hard to understand from the video. Thank you always!
@DIYGuysvideo
@DIYGuysvideo Год назад
Drop middle bolts out completely. Lower four corners 30mm and subframe hangs on them.
@russelloppenheimer3970
@russelloppenheimer3970 Год назад
For each subframe, its 3 bolts per side. They basically form a rectangle. One bolt in each corner, and a middle bolt along the long side of rectangle. Like this: . . . . . . As said, first remove the middle bolts. Next lower the corner bolts ∼30mm. Then repeat for rear subframe.
@DIYGuysvideo
@DIYGuysvideo Год назад
Thanks for clarifying Russell. The rear subframe is a bit of a different story though. More on that next video.
@thecostanzatheory
@thecostanzatheory 7 месяцев назад
Manzo vs Spoon? Spoon double the price, but worth the cost? I’m guessing no.
@DIYGuysvideo
@DIYGuysvideo 7 месяцев назад
They serve the same purpose. JDM tax not worth it.
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