Why Chris Watts Has A Fan Club And The Nature Of Trolling 

Good! I think that's the best way.

These days with the internet, it's too easy to throw opinions and views around without fear of repercussions. Some people dont care if what they say has a detrimental effect on someone else Look at the bigger picture going on here. how many news sites let you comment on a news story these days ? a lot less than 3 years ago. the way things are going, commenting on youtube will be banned at some point so that no one gets offended. the days of having a good balanced discussion / argument are dying.

I agree

Yes, it's good information.

I always wonder why people try to defend themselves when they’ve been trolled. The troll doesn’t care ! They get enjoyment from your pain and suffering fuelling them. Best thing is not to give them anything it hurts them much more than they’ve hurt you.

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That's a very clever way 2 put it - yes, I get that! Very warped, glad my self esteem is far 2 high 2 ever wish 2 please these evil scumbags!

I was abused and was later attracted to another abuser. I was not looking to be on the same team. It’s exactly what was said in this video- I was going towards something I recognised. Fortunately I’ve had many years of intensive therapy and am married to a very kind man

Identification with the aggressor is the term - you are right and it´s true what you thought.

'and he also takes no responsibility. what if he had confronted his parents and told them that they crossed an unforgivable boundary and that they, he and shan, needed time to decide what kind of relationship they and the girls could have with them going forward. i had a mother in law like Cindy. when she viciously attacked me and sent a scathing letter to my mother to tell her i was a slut and that my mom was a terrible mother, my husband put his mother out of our lives and didn't speak to her for months until his dad came over to talk to us. even then my husband didn't go to see her for awhile. chris still never used the phrase "i killed them". he says "what happened " as if something happened to him! his mother does the same thing. your point is spot on excellent!!!!

@@songbirdsinging1878 Shanann wanted him to grow some balls (but not at home). The problem is, Chris is not like that. His past shows that he was raised by a controlling mum which he exchanged for a controlling wife (that's not a problem per see - many blokes do this. doesn't mean these types of men turn into murders). But his upbringing is that of being the best at a narrow focused task and being liked for it. Best at being a car mechanic, best at being friends (helping people out), best at being a husband (looking after the kids and house work) ....... everything else outside of that falls by the wayside. Very narcissistic tendencies. Then a new feed of narcissistic pleasure comes along and what he has forged and worked for no longer matters. Now that he is in prison he will very likely be the best prisoner going. see my point here. A lot of people miss a small but important point. When Chris and shanann met, she was at her lowest point in life and he was a strong character but introverted. Over time, Shanann got stronger and grew as a person, developed a business, had kids (unlikely with Lupus) and got her health issues under control. Chris only got physically stronger but not emotionally stronger. Chris would have wanted for her to stay weak and dependant upon him. This presented a problem for him. I can't help but think their marriage should have ended a while ago as they were drifting in different directions

@@BillyNoMates1974 i agree. he found her in a weakened state, therefore didn't realize he'd actually found a srtong woman. he did the same with his mistress. if he had been with her as a husband, he would have discovered he'd done it again. the whole group is dysfunctional. both families and prob. nk's family is a mess too.

@@songbirdsinging1878 The only credit I would give the Watts family is that they were concerned about the expensive life style (big house, brand new car, expensive furniture etc). other than than that, controlling. The Rzuecks seemed more balanced. Good call from them not to push for the death penalty. Shanann's dad comes across as quite an empathic individual. Frank Juniour seems to have had some problems in the past. NK is a big unknown, not much factual information published.

BillyNoMates1974, everything you said is totally spot on. Such a good and interesting insight about his ability to only be narrowly focused. Makes total sense. People like him, who are so completely alienated from who they are at the core of their being, are terrifying. If he had a little bit of therapy, he may have realized (or at least gotten a hint of) the damage his controlling, narcissistic mother did to him and how it 100% informed who he is as a person. All that rage, all his rage, was directed at the wrong person.

It's why bullies run in packs

Stay strong, Cara.

Thanks Cara! :) That's great about the no contact! Yes, that's a good way to put it, you are trapped as a hostage in that situation as you say. So glad you're doing that work to heal.Yes, will definitely be doing a video about CPTSD.

Someone came right out and told me that I seemed “too strong” to be a victim of emotional abuse. People just don’t get it. It can happen to anyone even a strong woman. These people have a life long practice of manipulation so that when they come into our lives and turn it upside down we never see it coming! I was always taught not to tolerate physical abuse but I didn’t know what hit me when I got involved with a narc. I didn’t even know what a narc was until I finally LEFT the relationship. Most people will never understand. I’m glad you left & getting stronger. God Bless 💜

Congratulations on your 2 year no contact. These relationships take a lot longer to get over than normal ones, but you'll get there iin the end. I did x

Cara Freeman Bingo! And yes, the covert ones are really something to reckon with, because they have you play out their issues and their anger, while acting as if it is you when it is them. They are so sneaky. They will push and push you until you lash out while they are being SO quietly aggressive and under the radar. There is a palpable atmosphere when I find myself in the presence of a covert Narc. The passive aggressive person with that low lying hostility that most people don't notice but I can detect. Omg, the suffering they inflict and they are ruinous to your health both mentally & physically. I know from experience to not take on what they are attempting to falsely project onto me. I do end up resenting that this is their M.O. though, because I find it completely predatorial which is at best creepy & at worst literally dangerous. Your message comes as I just dealt with a covert passive aggressive Narc for the last 2 days who I have not seen for over a year & a half. I am glad the person departed from my property today and I feel more at ease and am starting to feel more at peace again.

He doesn't have to engage anyone. That's his choice.

@@runningfox9750 I agree. I think maybe he's trying in his own way to defend his sister. I know he wishes he could have protected his sister and nieces from CW. I'm sure he's going through a lot and I hope both he & his parents are in good therapy. Also they (trolls) are making videos about him and dragging his life into things when really he has nothing to do with what CW did. Celebrities are used to that kind of attention and they sign up for it but the Rzceks never signed up for any of this spotlight and scrutiny. But ultimately yes I think its best to ignore the trolls & not engage them at all.

LadyTea I think so to .❤️

LadyTea he’s mostly battling THE SHAMELESS BULLY MollyGoLightly

nun ya what is up with her??? It’s sad how Shanann’s family is trying to grieve this horrific tragedy and there are some really mean trolls that say terrible things. It’s crazy

Live Abuse Free hey 👋 it’s Angelina ... the neutral Moderator. We need to get back in contact. PM me! I love this video, the whole content is fascinating & background! It’s Perfect Z!

This makes so much sense. Not mentioning any group names but looking at one group in particular....

@@Klove5343 Haha that's lucky! Thanks Karen! :)

I just reluctantly watched a Miss Mensa video. What do you think of people that believe that Shanann actually killed her children? Miss Mensa also claims that Shanann had Munchausens. Her videos are infuriating, not only the content but her condescending manner of speaking just drives me crazy!! Maybe you could include these special people in one of your videos. Thank you very much for your time. Mona

I agree about people not understanding “the mask”. One of my creators suddenly said maybe he was NOT to blame & I was so upset Bc even if HE didn’t DO it, he stood there & LET IT HAPPEN!

Yes when people say or do mean things I have a hard time wanting to confront them. I just feel they will automatically turn it around and say wow so sensitive. Or say something worse than the original mean comment OR tell you how you deserved it. I feel sometimes walking away is best

Melissa Goldstein Definitely. Many times I just ignored him when he verbally abused me. But narcs need some sort of reaction, whether good or bad, because that’s how they get their narc supply. If you ignore them, they just keep on pushing you until they get a reaction. And their provocation is 💯 intentional. They WANT to hurt you and cause pain. Its hard to ignore when someone says things to intentionally hurt you to your core. It was never ending. Ultimately I did walk away completely from that person because he turned me into a shell of my former self. I was empty inside, broken, beat down, humiliated, shamed, no more self esteem from all the abuse. I had to rebuild myself from nothing after leaving. But leaving saved my life.

I was always extremely sensitive (or so I'm told) but heres the thing. Those who accused me of this (I purposely used the word accused because it was always said negatively) were those who tended to say things that were hurtful. So the question was AM I really so sensitive OR were they just unkind

@@missygoldstein12 The answer is: Your sensitivity isn't the issue at all. They're cruel, and they expect you to be o.k. with that. When they accuse you of being too sensitive, their only objective is to change the subject from what they did that hurt your feelings. It's very effective, too, because they know you're much more comfortable examining your own conduct rather than theirs. And look what's happened: here you are trying to figure out if you're to blame for their bad conduct! You're being trolled. Next time, try acknowledging their attempt to deflect by saying, "Nevertheless, what you did was hurtful." They won't apologize, but they'll get the message that you aren't falling for their misdirection tactics, either. If you find you have to use the "nevertheless" method more than once or twice with a person over 8 years old, you should give serious thought to fully accepting they are this way, they will never change, and then decide whether it's worthwhile remaining in the relationship. My mother and older brother are the "light" version of Cindy and Chris Watts. He blames anybody/everybody else for every problem he has, which includes being unemployed, divorced with no friends and a giant anti-government chip on his shoulder. Mom applauds his every move, no matter how predictably disastrous it is. She also, I finally figured out, loves to stir the pot by asking me what I think about something without telling me it's related to him in some way. She goes and reports to him whatever I said, as though I was criticizing him directly. He then texts, calls or emails me with aggressive, crazy-sounding attacks from out of nowhere. I finally got into therapy after trying multiple times to explain why this dynamic (Mom's pot-stirring is just a tiny, minor part of it) was hurtful to me. They both told me I was actually the problem because I was too sensitive, should have known he was "like that", and other tactics. Basically, once you get over believing you can fix it by explaining your perspective to them, doing joint therapy with them, trying harder to walk on eggshells around the., etc, you will see that this really is actually how they are, it's permanent, and all you can do is decide what to do with that knowledge. Whatever you do will not change or affect them one bit, but it can help immensely with how their conduct affects you. You can change how you respond to them. You can dump the relationship entirely or establish boundaries that you will abide by. They'll laugh at and ridicule and malign your boundaries (that was my Thanksgiving experience, btw), but the boundaries aren't for them; they're for you. So, for example, when Mom tries to get me to mention anything about my personal thoughts, opinions, beliefs experiences, etc., I re-direct her: "I hadn't thought about (controversial Christmas travel plan floated by narc brother). Did we have turkey or ham for Christmas last year?" Now, instead of participating in her critique of my brother's ideas for celebrating Christmas, we're talking about recipes, and she'll have nothing from me to report to him. This is just how I've chosen to stay in some form of relationship with my family once I realized it wasn't at all the mutually caring, supportive relationship I had been telling myself it was. I don't mean to make this sound like a simple, painless process - I grieved the loss of my fantasized family for a long time. Instead of cutting off all contact, I now limit our interactions to superficial, impersonal conversations. I don't expect to be included in a lot of their activities, like family vacations, but Mom was already "forgetting" to mention those to me, anyway, unless there was some reason they needed me there. I don't expose any personal joys, worries, disappointments, accomplishments, etc to them for the same reason churches have nurseries for toddlers: they don't understand, appreciate or care about the service, they hardly notice you've left them there because they're focusing on their own entertainment, and nobody is harmed in the slightest by leaving them to their own games. Toddlers in the church nursery is the mental image I carry in my head when dealing with them, and it helps me a lot. Best of luck to you.

Here's the thing: you don't REALLY know how Shan'ann was.

They are also victims of the narc in a way, if you ask me.

samcad2013 Of course , that is what this channel is about . The abuse you get from narcissist.

@@samcad-ho3ze Narcissists standing up for other narcissists explains alot about Trump and the sick relationship he has with his supporters!

@@blondespitfire lol don't bring politics into this you. Not everything has to do with politics 🙄

Christopher Watts is better and accomplishes more then you.

@@allanbacon2977 lol, u r over-fried

A lot of the CW fan’s are really cruel. It used to bug me but now I try and look at them analytically. What does stress me out is how SW’a family are being made to feel. It’s kicking people when they are terribly down and it breaks my heart.

YIKES! Very true - the evil males these crazy females target are massively warped - they are utterly selfish, lack all real depth, & care 4 themselves 1st, last & always! Massively damaged, they are a risk 2 females - that's why they are caged! These females kid themselves they will alter them, make them safe, great guys... they are crazily deluded!

@@glamdolly30 Or like a case I saw on YT, a church group were encouraged to write to prisoners as an exercise in mercy. One in the group was a naive young woman who was writing to a convicted rapist - she didn't know his criminal history. When he got out of prison her very Christian family took him in and gave him a home and a job in the fathers business. He wanted their daughter......when she spurned him as he was too obsessive, he raped and killed her. There was a case in NZ too where a man had been in prison multiple times for rape and other violence, and a nun who had been visiting him in prison took him in when he was released as she believed he had changed and become a Christian.......he repaid her by raping and beating her to death. This is why I do not believe in Watts religious conversion. They all become Christians in prison, it's a ploy for sympathy and might be useful one day to get them parole.

I cannot understand anyone who would have a prisoner has a pen pal, WHY😱? Ugh I just cannot get my head a round such madness, love your channel, you are so calming,can you do a piece on lockdown fever, coping with panic attacks at this crazy time we are living in at the moment,keep safe,

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I've also red it, it's an interesting and informative book😊

I’m just now figuring that out . I’ve been so blind 😞.

Do you mean Angry men and the Women who love them?

It’s called repetition compulsion. That’s why creating a secure attachment between infant and primary caregiver is crucial for health on all levels. It is THE template for all future relationships.

I love that book, it changed my life. Gonna go back to my neglected blog and read my review.

YES!! We former flying monkeys in our own lives, could be the best at rationalizing, couldn't we!

Thank you for your great support!! Best wishes to you too :)

Aw! Thanks John! :)

Brent Vennette I feel the same. She is what normal is supposed to be. Love love her.😍😘😅

Haha!

ezymk69 😱😱😲 let’s hope the crocs stay away

Yes I completely agree. I'm currently working on a project for kids so the timing of your comment is really interesting!

@@LiveAbuseFree I am thrilled 2 read that! Please get it 2 the kids ASAP, I've always felt that schccls are such a perfect - but alas, wasted - platfcrm 2 teach them, re respectful adult relaticmships. 2 UK females R murdered each week, by a male they trusted! Male abuse is epidemic. Kids must be taught what a healthy partmership is, & the red flags that reveal abusive behaviur. I pray U will succeed, kids will get a great deal - the abuser's best ally is silemce, let's YELL this!

Live Abuse Free Wow that would be fantastic! The more we remove that negative stigma on mental health the better 💗

What is a flying monkey?

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I've seen these groups they are so disturbing and vile! I just hope Shananns family never sees them!

ABSOLUTELY Char..makes perfect sense!!!!

I always thought of the rescuer as the primary reason, but the abuse aspect makes sense

Almost every family annihilator story, the killer IS THE ONE having an affair. Apparently you have not noticed. But nice try .

“Nice try”? Anyway, Dr Todd Grande did a good video on this question. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-sscR0h7LmP8.html

Lxxx MXXX yes indeed. He jumps out at us because he is a rarity. A case like this gets a lot of attention because he doesn't fit the profile, statistically speaking. Watts now claims he considered suicide, but his claims are unconvincing.

@@JustineBrownsBookshelf Watts does fit the profile or murderer, white male in his 30s, and he earned his name to be in list of Notable familicides along with Scott Peterson and other degenerates. Reason he gets lots of attention is how stupidly he threw away good life he had for whore, the way he disposed his family, lack of emotions and his crazy mother.

Rengurenge Check out the linked video. We don’t hear about the most common types. Watts and Peterson are famous because they don’t resemble the group in key ways.

or offer him the job as your babysitter if he ever got out on parole!!!

Aw bless you! Thanks so much Sharon! x

That's good! Shouldn't it be warm there by now? Hopefully it will be soon!

Yes. Want to live there or at least vacation

Ricart0713 once you have been close to a person with these types of issues, it is easier to understand just how scrambled their thought processes are. I am beginning to think that it’s a double edged sword. In other words the fact that a person’s brain IS so scrabbled that they unknowingly invite the abuse and the abuse creates the manifestations of their impaired thinking. But regardless, I also feel sorry for them.

When did he say that?

@alisa debonaThank you so much! :)

Yes indeed I agree that life since social media advent has exposed/bred more narcissits than I thought possible and it's scary even at 72. I've developed a quasi judge mentality meeting new people. Feel sad this is now so, maybe it's just the aging process. Maybe stop looking at vids on narcissism fear is finding a home.

I Agree. The Jodi Arias case would be interesting to look at.

Oh great! I'm glad it helped x

@@LiveAbuseFree It does and you do. If you were a lecturer, I would def behave and pay attention in your class, I'd even be giving it laldy with my pad and pen taking notes! I have a nursing background and worked in a prison for 4 yrs. I just found it fascinating and daily wd ask myself, why did he did he do it! If you worked there I would have had all my why questions answered and just done a 4 mnth stretch instead of 4yrs :) You simplify and clarify the unfathomable- its awsome and I love your channel, thanks for these highly educational videos you share with us!! :)

Thanks Theresa! :)

Thank you! Yes she's on my list to talk about :)