@@Cosmoho it is a stereotype that racists use for black people and it came out of no where so it can be seen as racist... especially since he brought up race for no reason
alot of the people he's talked to are like super-racist, so he might not think his speech is damaging in comparison to what he's experienced. His overton window is very skewed, so he doesn't think this is a big deal at all.
He brought up race, then whines about it being about race, and theeeen condescendingly says white people know more about racism??? Destiny is such an annoying debate lord
@@Sketch_Study really dude? is saying "bong chong" really just mocking a language or being racist against asians? I don't think speed is horrible or hates asians but that joke was a lil racist.
@@kingpimpskinnypimp5329 He’s one of those commentators who sees himself as so progressive and MORE progressive than other people and is up his own ass about everything.
@@kingpimpskinnypimp5329 not really, he's very open to deabting and has changed his mind on a lot of topics. the reason why it looks like he doesnt is because he doesnt hold randim opinions, every opinion he has is rooted to a deep moral value. sometimes people say shit, but when you dig deeper you find out they don't really care about it. you should def wastch some more dest content, i know he might not seem like it, but he's a good dude.
@@kingpimpskinnypimp5329 yeah the reason I don’t watch him is because it feels like his fragile ego trumps his own ethics and values which is not productive to politics.
It's fucking bizarre because with just a little fucking memory you can remember that literally a couple years the whiteboy minecrafters were all blowing up on twitch and they were just as loud. I'm not gonna lie sometimes I'll put on a Kai cenat stream and Im like 💀I'm too old for this shit. But like it's so weird to single this out as a black kid thing because this shit has been the way kids have acted on the internet for years I look at someone like ishowspeed and the resemblance to ksi 10 years ago is kind of uncanny
You know what bro , I’ve just realized all these responses to his words is EXACTLY what he wants. He will have months of content reacting to these videos and having “debates” with the W/L COMMUNITY
he already said he could of worded it better so he won’t defend that, It will be over why they called him racist and not speed which is gonna be hard to defend, they should of just ignored it cos now it’s gonna look bad on the community
He is perma banned on twitch, idk how he is going to debate them. Also since everybody already gave him the 'racist' label why would they even talk to him. As a destiny fan i don't think this helps him at all
@@okhoh no one wants to call speed racist. Even you tip toeing it saying “out of pocket” the question black streamers need to answer Is why they seem to give a pass when black streamers are racist to another race
@@dracofox839 as a black person I’ve seen tons of black person do rasict remarks and don’t get punished for it but a white guy make a funny remark about certain streamer and it make him rasict crazy asf many reason I say the black community have no hope .
I never seen a clip of anyone black complaining about white streamers screaming. We all have our favorite streamers of all colors who have moments of screaming and it makes us laugh so why would anyone complain? It feels like all the streamers who are even top 5 scream and shout at times and we all laugh when it happens.
actually he wasn’t talking about black people complaining about that, the clip doesn’t show the full context. he’s talking about the people pushing “gamergate” back in like 2016
@@usucdik u act like the top 2 streamers are role models to every black person in the world. we, as black people, are allowed to have our own identities and be into different shit. dont generalise ppl like that shits annoying asf
It's all just a ploy to get his twitter unbanned lmao. Really though, Shawn made some really great points here. Mainly I think this is terrible optics for a broad audience, and when you are speaking about another community you have to understand that in today's internet age you are now speaking directly to that audience. The whole disparaging summary that destiny does with everyone rightfully sounds uber hateful to a community who knows nothing about this Dinosaur. Add in that race and you just need to take the L at that point. This man even says we shouldn't generalize people by immutable characteristics, so I don't even know why he's dying on this stupid hill.
No, the thing is he immediately said he is generalising these guys and said he only seen them in clips. People proceed to call him all the buzz words nonstop
@@floridamainn104 this doesnt make any sense lmao. You cant get mad at someone for do x action and then proceed to do it to them back? what sense does that make
It’s giving low key intellectual racism. Destiny has some solid arguments but the more I take in his content the more I’m catching the covert racism. Aside from the covert racism, his argument was poor. Saying that you don't recognize or can't distinguish between black streamers, when the two in question (emphasis on TWO!) are the basis of your argument, is concerning. He felt so confident in his chest to go online and give a blanket statement pertaining to black streamers. This tells me that he is mad at the visibility of black streamers, not "black streamers as a whole". How can you be a commentary channel and not conduct your research? He allowed his subconscious thoughts to bubble to the surface. You didn't do your research, so I have to believe your thoughts are coming from an innate point of creation and not through further study. To say that you don't want to watch people do something because you can do it yourself, reeks of a high school racist bully. It suggests jealousy. Why should your streamers watch you and your poorly based opinions? Kai has gotten as big as he has due to being highly entertaining. That man is a gifted natural entertainer. If not racist, Destiny is very jealous and envious that black people have come in, once again, and dominated a space. He truly disgusts me. I will avoid engaging in his content and giving him views. Yuck.
Yeah, never really engaged with destiny looking thru a racial lense on the almost 10 years I’ve watched the platform since twitch has always been predominantly not black, but Destiny has always been known as a prick. Like a holier than thou pompous asshole who thinks everything is an argument and can’t fathom feelings in a racism. He once refused to apologize to streamer and friend TriHex (who is black) cuz Destiny said he doesn’t find it wrong that he says the n word in private off stream.
Bro anytime white people say anything about black people y'all act like this is their dissertation on black people as a whole and every statement is their workshopped college essay about race. Bro is doing react content and made some random comment where he sounded like he was using negative brain power. I promise you white people do not keep this same energy with the reverse.
This is good advice about doubling down. Especially coming from someone who knows a thing or two about doubling down when they are in the wrong (cough cough)
What's weird is you thinking he was mad about that. But sure, pretend that was the issue, and not people flipping out and immediately calling him racist, or having a hissy fit because he didn't know who you are.
@@usucdik the issue is destiny refusing to clarify with people and refusing to be open minded about how somebody could possibly interpret his words as offensive/hurtful. he, himself, is making it justifiable for people to call him racist.
But he said new. And zoomer. And black. So what was wrong? Just the scope of proliferation? Please tell me you're not immediately offended by someone mentioning the race of the people he was talking about.
@@usucdik bro it’s clear you’re set on your stance about what you think he said, so I’m not about to argue with you or anyone on the internet the video is there for people to see and hear so do what you want with that information lol btw I’m not offended but you can’t tell ppl what to be offended by and what not to be even if you’re are apart of the ethic group 🤷🏾♂️
Well Shawn the main reason why you don't watch streams is because you probably don't have time considering that you are a producer of videos. I doubt you would be interested in sitting for hours watching a Livestream
The statement about clips around the 3:00 after he’d seen 30seconds of a clip and was in the middle of 5minute monologue on who Destiny is truly is 👨🏻🍳 💋
That whole "homophobic community" thing is such a weak attack.. like bro, Kai & Speed are non-nerdy internet personalities who pander towards younger male viewers, OF COURSE there's gonna be some crazy comments from their fans, that's how it's always been. Especially as on streams people say crazy shit because they know their comments will just get buried under a load of others. Plus, the Tates, Adin & Sneako have done some damage to peoples' filters and those guys have a crossover audience with Kai & Speed because they have a similar target audience. (plus Adin appears in these guys' streams quite a lot & always has done)
I think he might have been also talking about Tyler1, maybe Etika, and low tier God when he got mad. Still tho generalizing an entire race off of 4/5 people is bananas.
@@dwaynekruydenhof2080 their take was terrible agents original take was ok and lows take when he was talking to destiny was pretty similar to Shawn’s but the playback video was filled with clip chomping and projection I know they were probably playing it up for the vid tho
Destiny just sounds like a hater going after Speed #1 on YT and Kai #1 on twitch that are BLACK. Hell he brought up race literally this is just funny like y'all grandpappies and mamies hated us and now most of the zoomers wanna be us. I love how we things come in full ♻️ cycle.
What I’m confused by, and I would love to be educated in this because I don’t understand why it continues to happen, as we keep generalizing to a whole race. Black streamers, white rappers, whatever. How was it helpful to continually generalize to a whole group of people instead of talking about your issues with specific people who just happen to have a particular skin color. What does it actually do in the bigger scheme of things to continually generalize to an entire race?
Destiny’s biggest problem was generalising the zoomer wave of black streamers all being one thing. When in reality it’s just speed and Kai. He might’ve thought there’s more than just 2 considering how dominant they’ve been at getting their clips out there. You could laugh at him desperately trying to excuse how he doesn’t know famous black people but I mean it isn’t unreasonable and none of those famous black people would resonate with Destiny the same way as their fans (Kobe). It was just massively blown out of proportion and your chat was literally lying and biased towards constructing a racist man. If anyone knows Destiny he is stubborn and should’ve said that statement was a gross generalisation. But it’s so brain rot to say he’s racist.
Also in the original, he goes on to say that he's not aware of everything they do he's just familiar with them through lsf clips. He acknowledges that they could have other content
Screaming and acting a fool on stream is not unique to the new black streamers and has in fact been the the main way to gain popularity on twitch for a very long time. Destiny isn't racist, but him only noticing this when black people do it and not liking it may show some underlying racial stuff. It most likely has to do with his private school in Nebraska type background. XQC, Tyler 1, Doc...etc the old generation of streamers are known for the same type of stuff. New streamers are just replicating what they've seen growing up but for their generation. Destiny is fans of those older streamers that did the same shit. Then you factor in destiny literally burning bridges with black friends over him being adamant about his right to say the n word in private to his other white friends. Overall Destiny may not be racist and may argue against racism and racist ideology....but that doesn't mean he isn't culturally insensitive nor does it means he respects the black community. He isn't some regular dude, he says the shit he says to thousands of people live that hang on his every word, copy his ideology and even use the same vocabulary he uses. Destiny doesn't promote active racism but he does passively endorce indifference.
@@EF-wy3di bro destiny wasn’t arguing for his ability to say the n word privately It was about generally offensive or wrong jokes you wouldn’t say in public being permissible in private if it’s appropriate So making a mentally handicapped joke to the nword or Asian joke or African joke It wasn’t him arguing that he should be able to say the word in private
@@FJaypewpew It's literally the same thing just back by a "I promise It doesn't seem as bad as it sounds." I know the arguments destiny made and they weren't consistent with his overall view on the matter.
To be charitable I went and watched the full video. It was in reference to how speed was being racist to the Asian kid. This blue hair dude mentions how the black online community hasn't caught up basically on the woke word play and that they are more racist and homophobic. I agree with that but his choice of words using "legion" and such is just in poor taste.
@dmetriusmarch The black community is more homophobic, it's a huge issue that gay black men have to deal with all the time. Black culture similar to southern culture is in general more religious, more conservative and focuses and "men being men" bullshit narratives.
@dmetriusmarch So your arguement is since there have been white men who have shot up gay clubs then black homophobia hasn't? I'm not talking specific. I'm saying black homophobia inside black America is a real issue that's isn't really addressed. It's mostly because black America like the south is very tied to religion and many black mothers either don't address it or even worse actively condem it.
@dmetriusmarch Also you argue its black men who reinforce it. I agree they do but 70% of black boys grow up in a home without a father. Their mothers are the primary individuals who teach morals and the rest they learn from TV and school. Black boys in society are raised by women not men for the VAST majority. I'd put a solid bet that single mother homes have a higher not lower homophobic lean.
@@EarlsPearls youre ignorant for saying this with your whole chest. black Americans are the most progressive demographic in the country. Always and without fail. Bring some receipts before you fix your mouth to spout this shit
Nah I’m not gone lie it’s a lot of black streamers that try to emulate Kai and have you heard of Low Tier God it’s so many black streamers before 2020 😂😂
Also there is a lot of people in the chat during streams that are biased asf, they wrongly accused him of so many things during the vid (the n word thing), if u genuinely care about the situation u can look at long term vids of explanations for this whole thing
This whole video im just asking if “dont know these people” and “don’t know anybody or anything” then why tf are u speaking on shit and generalizing people you dont know about it.
@@_VISION. hes not debating here tho. if somebody truly was offended by what destiny said, he cant trivialize it and have the excuse that he does hella debates
I don't watch streams but the only black streamers I know are speed and Kai and every time I watch a clip of theirs they have such high energy and are basically screaming. I just found out that Shawn streams and this type of energy is what I prefer. They are clips but when I see clips of xqc or the pokeman girl they're just chilling. Speed is literally on speed 90% of the time.
the point is that destiny used that point to generalize a whole community of streamers. he’s the one the brought race into it by saying “a legion of black zoomers,” indicating that most to all black streamers are just loud and obnoxious, which isn’t the case. on top of that, like you said, they’re just clips, which don’t fully paint a full picture of the kind of content that black streamers can make. ultimately, it boils down to destiny failing to do his research when making such a bold statement, which came across as racist.
@@justmickey142the problem is “a legion of black streamers” interprets as “all black streamers” to you. Same way as “a legion of white streamers” wouldn’t mean ‘all’ or even ‘most’ white streamers - just the specific group that is the focus of the statement. Which is the W/L community which lets be honest, does do the loud=funny comedy a lot of the time
@@OneMoreTimeBeats no, a “legion of black streamers” does indicate most to all black streamers in this context. of course i don’t think he’s literally saying every black streamer makes “loud=funny” content, but he goes and criticizes both speed and kai, who are arguably the most recognizable black streamers and never makes the distinction that it’s only some black streamers.
Honestly just seems like his jealous that Kai and Speed found a niche and are gaining huge success from it, regardless of whether they put on an act for the camera or not. He's just a bland political white guy.
I’m a white dude from Flint, MI. I was raised that the N word was the absolute worst word that you could say. When I moved away for college it was like culture shock seeing how often white people use that shit behind closed doors.
21:32 One of the most idiotic things I've heard in a while... Ofc you can call out ppl who misinterpret what you say. *Intent* *matters.* If I say "black sucks" referring to clothing, and somebody comes along and misinterprets that as me being racist, ofc I can tell them they're wrong. The idea of "every interpretation is equally valid" is insanely dumb
ur obviously gonna apologize to them for the way they took ur words cuz u may have actually hurt them + u would tell them what u meant , otherwise ur not even shutting down the narrative that ur racist. destiny couldve shut that shit down if he wasnt so close minded
I dont think *you* understand logic. You said my analogy is "terrible" bc Shawn was talking about ppl, but I used an example of clothing... Are you actually dumb or somehting? Do you not know what an analogy is?
So your rage, Kai and speed aren’t enough to see a pattern. Someone makes an off hand comment with qualifiers and y’all are looking for racism. Tell Kai to go call his boy speed racist just as loudly if he cares that much about racism.
It’s just an offhand comment that got blown way out of proportion and destiny himself admitted wasn’t worded clearly, it wasn’t meant to be a STATEMENT
So the two most popular black streams who constantly go viral for yelling and wild ass antics who are always showing up on peoples radar, destiny makes a comment about it and now he has to be aware of all black streamers and is quasi racist?
Nah, Destiny admitted that he wrongly generalized their content. It was a dumb thing to say but he’s obviously not racist if you watch any of his content. Lol
Destiny gives me Stormfront from The Boys vibes. Puts on a good face but is a secret Nazi lol. Regardless though I can’t give Speed a pass for saying that racist ish he definitely knows better
This is a delusional take unless you've never actually watched his content before. His entire career streaming has been arguing with and shitting on racist conservatives
@@dmetriusmarch I'm gonna need some more context on the slaves comment in response to vaush cause idk what that means. Also, what N-word argument are you referring to?
@@dmetriusmarch it wasn't specifically about the N word. Hsi stance was about private language in general. Destiny and Trihex are still friends btw. Also do you have a timestamp for that vaush video? 3 hours is kinda long
The word legion is a bit much, but apart from that it is true. There was quite a few very energetic black streamers coming up at the time. I think this situation was seen too harshly at the time. He made a passing comment on how he's seen this new generation blowing up and that he's just not into their content. I don't agree with a lot of his political takes, but outside of some poor word choice, this comment wasn't bad.
@@tcwentertainment I take it back. Legion is not a negatively charged word and there was like 20 really big black streamers coming up at the time, and if someone wants to describe them as a Legion I have no problem with that.
@@wurmie I can maybe name 3 significant ones maybe 4. Can you name at least 10 of these dudes that are Significant? As in really big consistently not some flash in a pan guys. And was it PREDOMINATELY black guys statistically or those are just ones he'd see in passing. Cause he even SAS he doesn't know twitch like tha so his view is skewed.
@@tcwentertainment There were a lot of black creators blowing up at the time. I’m not gonna go searching for all their names, but off top I think of Kai Cenat, iShowSpeed, YourRage, Agent00, Fanum, Duke Dennis, Bruce drop em off, and deansocool. All these people were blowing up around the same time, so if he was seeing clips from all these people I could understand why he would think it’s a lot more, because it definitely is. That being said he never says it’s a bad thing. He just says he hasn’t really been interested in their content. Also Kai Cenat and iShowSpeed have literally ripped their clothes off multiple times on stream. Kai Cenat has been transphobic repeatedly on stream, and the start of this whole drama was iShowSpeed being racist to a Chinese dude. So like… How do you look past all that and focus on a white dude that says there is a lot of black streamers blowing up, but he doesn’t really like their content.
@@wurmie I don't mind him hot liking it just generalizing black streamers as tha I felt was off. I'd say 4 of them yell but I've never heard Agent , Duke or Bruce yell crazy like Kai and speed though tbh
Some old lame shit that has nothing to do with us Some people in the game industry were fucking, some dudes called out their conflict of interest over ratings and an awards show, then the digital ant hill was turned into a mountain range.
@@normalguy4548 his argument lacks nuance , mostly because it emboldens racist people when those "private" settings which really aren't even private in the first place, like what? random discord servers or youtube comment sections? Just don't say that stuff, why do they need to say the n word so badly for? Either way, what you do in private reveals a lot about you, that's all I'm going to say.
@@dffgffffffdddddddddd Destiny never said that people should say the N Word or implied that they should. He specifically advised against it and said that if someone said it in private it wouldn’t matter that much. Also Destiny has 0 control over racists, so he really can’t embolden them.
Rage? Speed? Kai? The biggest black streamers? And before 2020 there were black steamers like I’m dongtai and etcetera ur just not informed on twitch pol
Congratulatious you named people with slightly higher volume and only kai and speed being people that yell. Along with t he fact that if you included white people that do the same thing it would mostly be them.
