It's called "dehumanizing," and I'll admit I'm guilty of it when it comes to Twitter freaks and similar cultists, if the words I tend to use regarding them is "dehumanizing."
Yup. De-humanize your target first, then anything you do to them is "justified". It's been like this throughout human history. It's depressing when you conjure with it overmuch.
Rev's observation of how the kind of insults they immediately go to always pertains to sex is especially telling. It tells everyone that the only thing these harpies pride themselves on is sexual promiscuity, even though such a point of pride just . means that they are vapid hedonists who just blindly chase after pleasure and validation from people who don't care about them.
I will stand by this, the best, most wholesome content creators think they are shit people. The worst content creators think they are the greatest people to have ever lived.
Because reasonable people know that there is always room to improve. Terrible people think that they don't need to improve and that they're perfect by default.
I think that is beyond false, and part of the logic some of these people use to justify their targeting of some Vtubers, and gives the understanding that people that put in the effort will be bastards. Bad people aren't restricted to the talented, wholesome or even the weird.
@@regalvas What are you even talking about? You're completely missing the point from the comment here, or maybe English is not your first language so it's hard to comprehend?
I think that's one thing I like about them. They can be very, very talented at what they do, and instead of letting it get to their heads, they still insist that they have room to improve. They may be self-critical and humble to a fault, but better that than being arrogant about things not worth boasting about.
It’s often like that: smart people rarely call themselves smart, but the dumbest ones will almost always claim they are smarter than average and to know better
"kill your local lolicon" That is literally inciting widespread violent crime. And so is the post they were retweeting! People need to be held accountable for this. These people are the ones who literally celebrate every time they drive someone to end themselves. I'm glad that person feels like nobody cares about them because they're probably correct due to being an absolutely terrible human being.
@@LyraPyxisVT lolis are characters meant to look like children but with the excuse that "oh theyre actually not minors". babes thats a cop out. those media companies know full well what they are doing, they are catering to pedos/creepy men with issues.
@@darkzeroprojects4245 but the thing is they would be wrong, they are making a fuss over a character thats not even technically a child nor the person, all these people need to actually know and understand what the term means before saying false info, cause now they just look dumb
@@LyraPyxisVT I know, but they still proceed with "It looks like one and child like so still you're a p$Fdo" Which sadly had to deal with. They want to dictate who does what out of a mere thought crime. And taking the "Art being from the mind of the creator" stuff to seriously thinking it means they're this or that.
Was banned from 2 Discord Servers for stating that. Well mostly by American people who have power abusing roles. Not surprised that most of the servers that banned me is full of hypocritical Americans tbh
Why are people treating drawings as if their real? Also they do realize that if certain content gets banned what makes them think the shit they like won't get banned either?
@@KakfkaLover As someone who's black, I find black edits to be extremely cringe when the person who did the edit claims they are 'Fixing' the character.
@@KakfkaLover Only a transphobe would say Bridget is trans, given that the character is a guy that was abused and harrassed by his parents and the people around him into being called a girl. Someone who actually cared about transgender people wouldn't call transgender therapy the same thing as literal abuse.
I try to avoid drama as much as possible, but this is just… If these “VTubers” can’t produce content and just spend their whole “career” tweeting and spreading toxicity… what’s the point? I did my own art, learned to rig, wrote my own music, and did it all for free. Took me about two months, but that’s because I’m slow. I upload daily now. What excuse do these people have to be “tba” after years of just tweeting out violence and toxicity? How can they call themselves “VTubers” if they don’t have any content? I’d say put your money where your mouth is, but you don’t even need money to start. I sure didn’t.
This is my assumption and opinion. They do it because they know they can get the basic simps who just like the anime model to give them things without needing to do anything else. It's easy living when all they have to do it make a few "test runs"
Honestly, if they just make toxic tweets for years and call themselves a Vtuber, but never debut or make content, it seriously makes me wonder if they are AI created by a lazy person, cause even if they are AI, they still should've made their debut by now, after all, if Neuro Sama can stream and make content and be a real Vtuber, then there's no excuse for other AI that say they are Vtubers, not to do the same.
Remember folks, streamers and Vtubers are people and people can be terrible bastards. These are just more examples of those that can only feel good by attacking others.
And that's why contracts exist to keep there talent in line it's why hololive is suceeding and everyone else is failing The problem with western vtubers is that they have too much freedom any manager would have intervened if these vtweeters where part of a professional agency
I don't understand how this is newsworthy. This is just regular human behaviour, use people to their own advantage and if "betrayal" (that term is used loosely as how can someone betray someone or something they never cared about) ever becomes more beneficial they do so the picosecond it benefits them. That's how most people are and anyone who genuinely thinks otherwise have merely been lucky to have never experienced reality.
I swear to god this whole loli being map thing remind me of the good ol'day where parent accused shooter game turning their kid into a school shooter or whatever horrible things they thought of, how the cycle repeat itself lmao
I actually never noticed the bad apples at all until the nux drama. Then I started paying attention and especially to more of what Rev covered in terms of the bad takes people had. Like vtubers were like my oasis from the insanity that way to many regular streamers get into especially when they start meeting each other or their chats try to start crap. But then that drama happened and unfortunately the curtain was raised on the back ground drama of vtubing. And then because I watch rev and occasionally scroll thru Twitter the pure insanity that I can come across just gives me a head ache.
Hating in the internet is a common thing, no matter how petty and pathetic it is. Also, the moment "sexualized" was mentioned I just laughed my ass off due to how classic excuse that was to cancel someone, lol. That thing literally said "Stop being such a white knight", bruh, that thing has its personal justice and tries to hit someone with it thinking it's righteous, bRuuUuuUHHhH!
If anyone's going to have legal problems, it's her. She REPEATEDLY said and did things she wasn't supposed to do. They seemed to be mostly minor infractions, but I doubt anyone else at Nijisanji was getting into this much trouble. Riling up the Twitter freaks was the last straw. And there's no question that she did any of this because that document everyone points to as proof Nijisanji are the bad guys admits she did those things, not to mention there's literally a video clip of her talking about how she doesn't care about the Hogwarts Legacy controversy. Like, what did she think was going to happen? That her bosses would go "You've caused potential problems for us several times over the course of a few months, you made our entire agency and everyone in it the target of a harassment campaign, advertisers are pulling out because of the bad publicity, but you triggered the terminally online weirdos, so you get a promotion!"? A company isn't going to look out for employees that don't respect the rules that are there for the good of the company and everyone in it. And we're supposed to take her side because...why? She made some allegations without any proof or anyone backing up her story? Why should we believe someone who can't follow the same rules a hundred other people follow without problems? You think everyone would learned something from Hellena Taylor, but apparently not.
@@crimsonachan6676 she made mistakes, but she was absolutely treated unfairly by incompetent management. For example what happened with genshin. things would have been a lot better for everyone if niji management wasnt such a shitshow
These select vtubers who use twitter like this play their "online character" like a double sided sword and are so toxic. (One side is sharpened to attack others, while the other side is dull to victimize themselves). Pretty two faced if you ask me.
These "vtubers" will never be actual good ones which is why they resort to vtweeting pointless Twitter drama since that's the most relevancy they'll ever amount to
The thing about internet addicts is that they don't see strangers like humans. They don't show them the basic level of respect a stranger deserves, nor do they even attempt to keep their expectations on point when meeting new people. They can't imagine that a username is linked to an actual person behind a computer or a phone, they believe internet strangers are some kind of good/evil entities floating around for them to admire/hate. The thing is, the only thing separating a stranger from an online friendly acquaintance, is just a bit of good old talk and mutual respect.
People can be horrible. Justified or not. Just remember that you never truly know someone on the internet. But the internet will never forget those who try to harm others
@@Fleet_of_fog i suppose they are referring to Kyutto, the vtuber succubus that was a loli that was harassed on Jan 2021, tbh idk if she's in hiatus or something
Too bad Kyuotto abandoned the loli model and has since deleted the post announcing such. Wasn't exactly a gesture of good faith. Some people think the whole thing was a grift.
@@ootdega It wasn't a grift. She always talked about wanting a "full power" model beforehand and after she started using it more and more, some people kinda gave her shit about it so she ended up only associating the old model with negativity The deleting tweets stuff, she got it in her head that the only way Twitter's algorithm would boost her at all was if she only had tweets dating back like 6 months or so.
I got called a “groomer” bc I responded to an idiot tweet that suggested we add G and P to the alphabet soup. I said “that would imply all of them are pedos and groomers which is wrong. All groups of ppl have groomers n pedos. This isnt the own you think it is” to which they replied “ok groomer” 😂 like wtf? Ppl like this downplaying such a serious thing makes me suspect THEM more than the ppl they call this.
They were wrong for calling you a groomer. But I do think the LGBTQ+ leaders want to add the P and B (beastiality). Not the community as a whole and certainly not every member. But the big thought leaders definitely lean in that direction. It's why they don't automatically ban minors from their adult events. Props to the LGB members that don't let kids into their events.
Well, everyone has x in their group isn't an appropriate defense. We're looking at degree of concentration and trends. It's not unreasonable to say that a certain group of people have a higher percentage of. . . 'child enthusiasts' (It sickens me just to type that) in them than others.
@@stupidanon5941 said groups image would instantly improve if they actually call those groomers out but like gays vs groomers did and the British LGB alliance but no just call everyone phobes instead
Heh, typical ''Jake Pauler'' response by an idiot, who, ironically, was groomed into being sensitive AF. ''Big words'' is ''manipulation'' to them. Like: ''Chicadude, not MY fault your generation is dumb as hell. You get confused by the expression 'fight fire with fire', don't call ME a pedo because of it''
Idk man, it really isn’t hard to be either accepting or indifferent about other people’s kinks/opinions in general, the fact people make a show about not being capable of that baseline will forever be hilarious to me.
It's sad seeing twitter antis starting drama over fictional characters. It's so easy to ignore, yet they have a down bad fetish of engaging with content they hate.
Why is it these people are so upset about loli characters being sexualized, but have no problem with shows like dance moms, that dress actual little girls in flesh toned leotards. The message "Don't lewd the loli" is fine, but these people have taken the concept 5 steps way too far.
Zaion came out with her side of the story. When she was released, we didn't have her side and honestly, I doubted we ever would. Now that we have it, it makes sense that some people would think "Oh crap, I might have misjudged her!" It's not clout chasing to think you jumped to conclusions to fast. Great job Vtuber 1, you played yourself.
Nah. They are still clout goblins. They jumped on the hate train for clout as they denounced her for things she did and now they are trying to make out they actually give a damn.
No matter what sides everybody takes, there will be always(kinda) a moment where the two parties are in the wrong, including the ones that partake and take sides. Zaion is in wrong but at least she has the guts to apologize and gives out her explaination and opinions with transparency, kudos to her. The people and the company? Yep, I don't see sympathy and transparency at all. Like the person above me says, there are clout goblins that only care for attention and clouts and the so-called 'saints' that is a devil in disguise.
Misgudged her? How about at least being neutral (not talking about sending threats and harassing people) before all neded indormation comes out? Someones life and career is not a telenovela for people to root or boo someone ffs
It was only twittards who literally made being a pdf and a lolicon the same. When being a lolicon is just someone who likes the character and designs of a " FICTIONAL " character so why not be pissed at " ACTUAL " pdf huh
I will say Zaion made a lot of mistakes in her short career. I will also say it was the fault of management for not managing her and trapping her into the position she was in. I would say Zaion's downfall was 80% NijiEN vs. 20% Zaion. Without someone to manage Zaion while also pushing her into a corner, it was pretty much expected that she would have to change everything to make it work and considering she's expected to stream every day, that was a borderline impossible feat.Zaion went in with a plan of how she was going to do things, she knew what worked, but NijiEN rejected every plan she had AFTER she had joined the company even though she basically listed her plans before she joined. Zaion made mistakes, but that will happen as she was Indie for over a year. The transition is bumpy. Heck, when I first started my career, I made a ton of mistakes but my supervisor saw potential in me and to this day, I am still employed with the company. I can sympathize with Zaion in that respect. Maybe Zaion is better off Indie, but even then, I'm sure she could have made it in NijiEN if the company would have given her the respect she deserved. As for the main topic, vtubers should not get involved with these sorts of dramas in the first place. It tarnished Finana's reputation and it will tarnish other vtuber's reputations as well. It is a bad look all around. I mean, just imagine if Hololive shittalk Rushia as she was being terminated? It would have tarnished their reputations. I will admit, I was put off by how cold Hololive was to the whole Rushia drama, but seeing how it was employed in Zaion's drama, I can really see now why Hololive basically stayed Silent on her fall from grace and it was a good decision overall. Even if it left a bad taste in my mouth.
A couple of them did shit-talk Mikeneko. Flare and Fubuki laughed about her suicide attempt just a couple hours after she was fired-needless to say, I no longer view those two as respectable content creators because of the way they acted. All they had to do was shut the fuck up like Watame did, who was sitting right next to them.
'Course not. They just pop up and immediately believe that they're either the ones running the show, or that the show is being run exclusively for them.
@Snakedude4life 🤣 True, my father did pass away a few years ago. Yet, you're the one who's reacting to me over a troll tweet, giving me exactly what I want.
I gotta somehow commend these twittards on adapting on using a vtuber model and think they can say anything they want online without having any consequences.
@Jeff Umbach but the thing is people can, if the right people dig hard enough they would be found, not saying this is ok but unfortunately there are some that can
I remember her! She first traced a big vtuber model, then literally copied to the t another vtuber theme, clothes and tiger ears, traced Hana’s new model and then cried about it twice pretending to be a victim
And on a new episode of "How my hubris made me look like an idiot as past stuff was discovered" Do they will never learn to keep shit quiet before their trash past is unearthed to reveal them as the hypocrites they are?
The second account is something else... I watched live as they helped a vtuber I follow (who is trans, is about to play Hogwarts, and is at the very least pro-lolicon) disprove allegations that they were dating a minor. I'm shocked they defended the account I follow seeing what their past is
Just because people can make mistakes or in some cases just have an opinion Rev absolutely refuses to tolerate, doesn't make them bad people. I mean, I can understand getting upset at a rape joke. And frankly people should be free to tweet their opinions on principle, not just because they have opinions Rev agrees with.
@@Fixer_Su3ana threatening someone with death is not an opinion tho. Be disgusted at something as much as you want, just stop accusing people of things that can potentially ruin their lives and careers and then act defensive when the same accusations are thrown at you for the same damn reason
@@user-ie7vo1hj3j Rev spotlighted three Vtubers of varying levels of 'sin', giving a summary of their 'sins' in the first minute of focusing on each one. The only thing they had in common was that Rev didn't approve of their opinions. They didn't all threaten someone with death, but Rev treats them as equally 'sinful'.
@@Fixer_Su3ana "rev didn't approve of their opinion" 1st one: called vtubers fans pedoes and said she herself enables and defends pdfilia 2nd one: caseally says stuff like "k*ll lolicons" and retweets people who do the same shit 3rd one: actively supports harassing people to suic*de over drawings Again throwing accusations and threats is not an opinion. Being a hypocrite is bad on it's own but that's not the worst part of the video (tho at this point I doubt you even watched it)
It’s funny to see that first tweet by that blue haired vtuber cause I saw it when she first posted it and obviously when she welcomed Zaion to the indie world. I wish that those two tweets were the only ones I saw, but no.
3:25 adorable model. a shame people see that and think about pedohila and other negative terms. i wonder if these people that are quick to call people that. think the same when they see real children. "the parents must be pedos because they have a child with them" isn't much more insane than thinking the same over a fictional character.
They can't separate fiction from reality. Or they just want attention. The first one may be an actual issue that will affect them later. The second one is just kinda sad
Akumamikovt is a horrible person. I’ve been harassed and bullied while also be defamed by her. We use to be friends and she constantly blames me how our friendship was broken. She used stereotypes that I do drugs and vandalism. Keep in mind I’m a black creator and she uses these stereotypes. She doxxed my friend. Told my friend to Kms. Befriended my abuser who assaulted 3 other girls out of spite of me. Called me slurs. And so much more. I have all the ss and what not to prove my side since she never shows how awful she is.
One thing that these people always fails at is admitting their mistake. They just keep jumping sides where it's convenient while ignoring the 'trash' take they already make.
Ngl hypocritical Western Vtubers always gives the energy of "new anime fan that only watched it when it became mainstream" Like, can we go back to gatekeeping cos like 😩
yea i have to agree with rev, a lot of EN Vtubers are just mid at best E-girls who couldn't make it as a twitch titty streamer or camgirl. they saw JP vtubers blowing up and figured they could hide behind an anime avatar and rake in lots of simp bucks.
Calling themselves a Vtuber and not made a single video. Vtuber is about entertainment, you are not Vtuber if you cant even make short funny vid. Rev is a real Vtuber he makes vids every day.
Good news! vtuber 3 still stands by what they said lol found a reply where they said that they're not sorry... God I hate people like this.. Edit : someone replied with an image of her saying Good and was blocked lol
Remember; Always Gatekeep. Eversince Pokimane and simps for her welcomed her with open arms over have one stream with a Vtuber model, they let these people in by the horde.
She should've Vtubed more often, or made a separate game channel called Pokimane Vtube or something like that, and have both stream at different times.
@@onidaaitsubasa4177 She just wanted the clout from using a Vtuber model. That's why she only used it once to my knowledge and leeches defended her because she's popular - while laughing at smaller Vtubers getting dogpiled by the mob.
Honestly I'm sick and tired of this community. When I started Vtubing, I did not expect to be surrounded by the thing I hate most (antis). It's hard to make genuine connections in the community without feeling like you need to watch yourself every step of the way. I quit following Vtubers without checking their page with certain terms. Back in Oct/Nov I had to unfollow/block so many people over that Loli Smash or Pass post. It was exhausting and honestly destroyed my mental health to the point that I rarely participate in the community let alone stream regularly. The Hogwarts game stuff was also exhausting. Especially knowing that it originally started as a peaceful protest against playing the game for individuals. It was supposed to be your choice. Not a witchhunt. As someone under the trans umbrella and has several trans friends... we were just so disappointed. Even several of us wanted to play the game. HP is a part of our lives and played a huge role in our childhood. No one should be demonized for wanting to relive it and they shouldn't be expected to jump through hoops to play the game in a more "ethically" way. (Like pirating or donating a huge amount of money to causes.) Not everyone can do that. Even today while scrolling through Twitter, despite not following many Vtubers, my feed gets flooded with them. It's always drama... everywhere. People getting canceled for absurd shit that doesn't really matter. Not always about fiction, but usually it is. It's so disappointing that people can't separate fiction from reality. Just let other's enjoy what they want. Block/mute like a normal person. Curate your own online experience properly. I hate that all this anti shit sometimes feels like the new norm. It's not just in Vtubing community. It's super prevalent in the art community and fandoms. Makes me sometimes wish I didn't want to be an artist or Vtuber. Obviously I won't let that stop me, but it is scary sometimes.
In the same vein of "Schrodinger Feminist" , i present you: "Schrodinger Vtweeter: where the person is both the victim and the bully, and only react with each when the situation amerite it".
Sometimes I wish to know who Zaion's actress is in real life to invite her a beer (soda if minor) to help her relax and ease of the mayor BS she was put through. Like in: Yeah broh, shit happens so we just have to drink it and cheer.
Well, while I don't agree with her takes the model is definitely child-like in appearance. You'd have to be coping to not see that, the only thing she's missing is a red backpack.
@@mr.turbo_boost3383 Oh, for sure, for sure. Me, too. Just kinda personally felt there wasn't enough shota-style vtubers to balance things out. I'm more into lolis, but I won't deny that shotas do have some charm to them.
Great video man. Edit: The third vtuber is literally evil. How can she say it's "good" that an innocent people get falsely claimed to be a creep over anime content that doesn't even involve irl kids. And minecraft themselves as a result of it. This person really out here doing bullcrap like this. Good grief, what has vtubing become these days.🤦😮💨
And here I thought the whole vtubing community would be wholesome and understanding of each other. A step above. But they're just as big asshole as people who do stupid shit for clout. Guess this is why Hololive is so well liked, they kick your ass out for doing stupid shit. Can't even imagine Gura getting stuck into drama like this and calling someone a pedo or what have you.
Well, technically we can't be sure if these Twitter people are actual Vtubers seeing as how some never debut and make content, I honestly don;t know how they would even stream and not get banned for Harassing people while streaming.
I don't respect their disgust over loli/shota. I disrespect it because it's just them being unable to separate 2 distinct things in this instance, and then using that as a poor excuse to harass and libel others over cartoon drawings. What deserves respect is people who can appreciate loli/shota designs because those designs _are_ super cute and I myself love cute aesthetics myself. It's cultured. I like a large variety of designs and character styles and am happy that loli/shota character designs are a staple among them in popular works. I have no desire to pretend otherwise because of these adult children (or actual children who lie about their age because let's be real, it's pretty common on Twitter).
Somebody calling other people Clout Roach's while being an absolute clout roach themselves. Mina has so little self awareness that i hesitate to consider her a sentient being.
You know, it would be better for them to just shut up if they are actually a dumbass. Because the reason why Twitter are infested with these freaks and roaches is because they don't bother to do research and study in order to gain knowledge. They should have mind their own business instead of being a clout chasing dickhead. Sure, they can love and hate, they can agree and disagree but at least, they need to be honest, self-aware(like you said), and professional(if it's a Vtuber in that case) about it rather than crying and complaining over something so small while doing so to keep fueling the fire. It's just funny that whenever I see people that think they are the greatest person ever lived, turns out to be the worst(I used to think that way before.) while the ones that always think of themselves as a shitty person, turns out to be good. Though it varies or differs depending on the individual.
Well, no problem, can still search by text and let them taste their own medicine, so to speak, they go into protected mode for a while, rinse and repeat until they're gone.
