USS Discovery-A (3189) - Detailed Breakdown

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Time for our full breakdown and comparison of all the changes made to Discovery in episode 6 of Season 3. The NCC-1031-A has a lot of differences when compared to the original design. Most of which aren’t apparent on first glance. So join us as we compare side by side to show you all of them. Also for those wondering why it’s the A now for only a refit. Well a couple of reasons we think. Firstly - it’s from the past, and time travel tech is illegal now. So according to official Starfleet records the Discovery was listed as destroyed in 2258. So to avoid any hassles. This is a new ship called Discovery so therefore the A (and yes it’s assumed many other ships over the 900 years have had the Discovery name, but not the registry. So it’s fine). And secondly, the new tech that was used in the refit was so much more advanced then Discovery’s original tech that it is essentially a brand new ship with the new upgrades. So no real issue there either. Anyways, watch the video and enjoy. Don’t forget to subscribe and like as well. Thanks.
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@razernc 3 года назад

General Hammond "It has to spin it's round, but spinning is so much cooler than not spinning."

@michaelpapp5518 3 года назад

Thank you. I needed to remember that episode. The strings... my god, what a brilliant ending.

@Zahgurym 3 года назад

@@michaelpapp5518 200 was soo good... the farscape bit was the best.

@Maximus2210 3 года назад

Ah... Hammond of Texas 👋

@sarreqteryx 3 года назад

something still spins, there are cutouts for it.. I don't think it will be the ENTIRE saucer anymore, but just the rings with the new texturing.

@MrZekinhaluiz 3 года назад

The guy was a genius

@Citiprime 3 года назад

The 32nd century Starfleet ships need some red in them, or some offsetting color. Wish they had added red to the tips of the nacelles for the Boussard Collectors. The all white/blue glow just makes the ships look so generic.

@Citiprime 3 года назад

@samson pessah It does but there’s other bits on the Excelsior and the other Film era ships that help give it contrast. For example, the black near the deflector as well as the red pinstriping with the Starfleet Delta and “United Federation of Planets” written on it.

@alternative915 3 года назад

they sure love *B L U E*

@JeffreyPiatt 3 года назад

The TMP refit had no color on the Buzzard Collectors. They were gray and black except for the inner sides that glowed blue.

@jamesaron1967 3 года назад

@@alternative915 Didn't you know, blue is the new black.

@voltijuice8576 3 года назад

They are RGB - just use the app on your badge to set the preferred glow color and pattern.

@currytigre 3 года назад

My thought on the detached nacelles is that post burn each one probably houses a warp core so if they go boom again it doesn't take the whole ship with it.

@jimskywaker4345 3 года назад

that makes sense for the reason of if they have there own warp core they don't need any conduits the one problem is that it might end up causing imbalances because they each have there own warp core

@gabrielclark1425 3 года назад

You could also just swap them out with a fresh one, which makes overclocking the drives more practical if your traveling between your own ports.

@cragerzz 3 года назад

No the explosion would me immense and detached a light year might help

@olinseats4003 3 года назад

One thought I've had, aside from post burn safety, is that detatched nacelles would do wonders for warp field efficiency. They can make free floating adjustments to optimize warp fields for speed and/or energy consumption, which might very well be a real concern with dilithium being in short supply. Because while it isn't a fuel per se, putting the least amount of strain on an already limited resource is probably the course of wisdom. Also, the less energy they have to use to obtain warp speed, the less dilithium they have to commit to a single vessel to mediate the antimatter reaction.

@kaitlyn__L 3 года назад

@@olinseats4003 yeah, like how Voyager's nacelles were meant to float up and down like a CD laser tracking mechanism (not that we saw it in the stock "at warp" footage), this would allow doing so in all axes instead of just the single rotational axis of the Voyager nacelle.

@LeeCarlson 3 года назад

Mass doesn't matter in space? You can tell who hasn't studied too much physics. Without a gravity well "weight" is not a problem. However, "mass" still exists which requires the expenditure of more energy to accelerate.

@LeeCarlson 3 года назад

@MGazT I am addressing an apparent lack in the commenter's science education, the confusion of mass with weight.

@disruptive_innovator 3 года назад

@MGazT goofball. In star trek the motion picture they actually calculated the time it would take to travel from earth star dock to the jovian planets at impulse (fractional lightspeed). DS9 writers had a galactic map with times and distances so they could keep things consistent, only rushing stories caused discrepancies. Nodding to real science used to be a thing on star trek. Not under STD's writers of course. 😉

@disruptive_innovator 3 года назад

@MGazT I'm saying they used to try. The expanse is just as much fantasy as old trek. Good fiction has basis in fact, otherwise you might as well listen to a 4 year old tell you about dragons. STD doesn't even try, and that's why it isn't even fun to watch. Simple minded viewers will maybe enjoy the flashing lights and yelling actors. 😘

@disruptive_innovator 3 года назад

@MGazT Oh and regarding "Did they calculate the energy required to travel around the galaxy" Yes, yes they did. There are two warp tables. One for TOS and one for TNG and onward. Both can be found in the technical manuals. This is known to real fans.

@Bellabong 3 года назад

@MGazT You go on about accuracy and then you mention the Expanse?!?! The alcubierre warp drive is theoretically possible, the epstein drive vaporizes itself and everything around it. You're right ST isn't "hard" sci fi. It's inspirational sci-fi. And ofc the epstein drive is magic in how it completely violates known laws of thermodynamics, showrunners needed a solution to ignore orbital mechanics because real interplanetary travel is slow, boring and extremely restrictive as to when you can actually travel. Expanse still perpetuates this idea that you can just travel "in a straight" line from one orbital body to another.

@JohnnyZenith 3 года назад

The very idea you could take a ship from 900 years earlier and refit it to be relevant and useful is inherently silly in reality. The entire nature of the innovation in this universe after that length of time would be absolutely enormous. It doesn't seem to affect most Trek fans however. As long as people get their ships, uniforms, and Star Trek norms. I understand that. For me they went far too far in the future. Ignoring that and taking the ship design on it's own merits, the ship has improved. The saucer section is still disproportionate to the main hull though. The lack of a uniform change is maddening too. Glad to see you guys are inching towards 60k subscribers.

@bosyber 3 года назад

Well, going far was sort of needed to get out well ahead of the temporal war, with enough time to have other developments, so that now they don't have to fit into the reinterpret cannon events bit discussion from earlier seasons, and which also detracted in Enterprise - finally some new trek canon isn't a bad thing. Did it need to be this far? Maybe not, but oh well. It does help that this ship isn't exactly _old_, it just has a few years on it from new, and I suppose that the materials science in some ways hasn't had that big a jump, though integrity fields and new hull plating might also have a lot to do with that.

@jamesaron1967 3 года назад

I totally agree with all your points. Trust me, there are Trek fans who've thought along similar lines of reasoning. Can't speak for everyone else, but I just dismiss the sheer lack of realism in this season's story arcs for the 'reality' of the constraints in story telling. They need to tell a story this season and they had to ignore glaring improbabilities to succeed with the plot. The likelihood of the dilithium exploding all at once rendering the Federation a pale shadow of its former glorious self is on its own an unbelievable plot device. So is the retrofit of an ancient vessel to modern specifications and therefore viable as a fleet member. Both of these require a complete suspension of disbelief to work. Its not a sin in story telling to devise impossible elements. The sin is not succeeding to make your audience _accept_ the impossibility long enough to see the story through.

@TheRealJuseBeats 3 года назад

That’s the problem. You are thinking. We are in an era where truth doesn’t matter and is rejected. It’s all about feelings. So they aren’t counting on you thinking or tryna make sense if things. Be distracted by the explosions. Don’t notice the lazy writing, cringe dialogue and complete disregard of cannon.

@jwlfj1200 3 года назад

Space Battleship Yamato aka Starblazers

@ravneiv 3 года назад

The thing tanking 2 let alone a single quantum torpedo (even one from 24th century) was ridiculous

@MazdaChris 3 года назад

They're really trolling Eaglemoss with those detached nacelles...

@danielpaquet3963 3 года назад

can they come up with some kind of magnetic thing maybe?

@benoosthoek 3 года назад

@@danielpaquet3963 more expensive molds would go a long way

@SciFiBriks 2 года назад

I'm looking forward to seeing how Eaglemoss pull it off with the 32 Century ships. I just had a bigger stand that supported the nacelles and the main body on my LEGO version, so I am thinking they might do something similar

@earthling9913 2 года назад

Or maybe they just WONT make the 32nd century ships

@nightlock-cf3br 2 года назад

most likely clear plastic

@MegaParrotMan 3 года назад

I bet Saru was at least hoping for a new Chair. Maybe the one that Tucker designed.

@ideaaddict923 3 года назад

He's still working on it and if you don't stop bothering him, he'll never get it finished!

@SciFiBriks 2 года назад

And of course he's got the same chair as Riker on the Zheng He too

@briansonntag9578 3 года назад

The secondary hull is now more smooth. It looks like they added space and took some away. Also it makes sense that there’s more actual space inside the ship, tech is smaller throughout.

@Idiotatwork 3 года назад

The problem with nacelles held in place by energy fields is how many episodes have had ships being rendered powerless in some way 9r other.

@rubaiyat300 3 года назад

Everyone fixating on the nacelles. They mentioned holographic ships. Presumably in the 32nd century that kind of attack simply is so remote as to be irresponsible to even account for.

@ulfsark78 3 года назад

@@rubaiyat300 and those holographic ships are stupid too, for the very same reason. "Oh, we lost main power, there goes half the crew out into the void of space ...."

@alcibiadesW 3 года назад

@@rubaiyat300 Holograph ships are only good until your enemy starts blinking at you.

@nuk1964 3 года назад

@@ulfsark78 ... and what sort of weapons do holographic ships have? holographic phasers? Holographic torpedoes? Or if you want to go "old school" -- holographic "slugthrower" (e.g. electromagnetic railgun) that throw out holographic projectiles? IIRC the only reason why objects in the holodeck behaved like solid objects was because they were indeed solid objects (using technology similar to matter replicators and transporters), or projected forcefields (to provide the illusion of solidity)

@jimskywaker4345 3 года назад

well if artificial gravity fails everyone will die due to the g-forces those ships have

@sarreqteryx 3 года назад

as far as warp drive is concerned, the nacelles don't need to be attached. the nacelles are not thrusters, they project a warp field around the entire ship, which is what moves the ship (or rather, moves space around the ship). going by the reasoning given in Voyager as to why it's nacelles can articulate, the nacelles being detached would allow for improved warp efficiency, as they can move with subspace fluctuations. I do think they'll probably have to re-connect when using the spore drive, though.

@kaitlyn__L 3 года назад

spot on!

@sarreqteryx 3 года назад

AND… they reconnected!!

@me-nah3343 3 года назад

This might not be a popular take, but I love the original. The aesthetics of the Disco era ships are great. I'm not sure why this is getting the suffix. I will have to wait on whether I like the new one.

@jordanodwyer6552 3 года назад

Same 🙋 I loved the original and didn't think it needed any fixing, no shade on the facelift model but meh, if I was doing the upgrades I would keep it the same for the Antiques Roadshow factor...Starfleet, the only galactic power with a PERFECT 900+ year old ship and surprise! It's got future firepower! 🔥

@patyam2281 3 года назад

@@jordanodwyer6552 You sound like the kind of guy who’d fly an NX-Class in STO.

@spadesofpaintstudios1719 3 года назад

@@jordanodwyer6552 the old design needed improvements but this is so vast

@kyle857 2 года назад

Agree to disagree. I think most of the ships in Discovery are way over designed and most don't have enough difference in size and capability to warrant their existence.

@soraisfinallyhere1305 2 года назад

Yeah I loved the design of the original this just looks not as good.

@thepropagandastudiosbrigs0927 3 года назад

the shuttlebay door is some super duper future thing... that is on back order... hopefully next Tuesday...

@rafaelsays175 3 года назад

Only Trekyards is equipped and ready for this video 👍🏼

@jefferyyoung2580 3 года назад

How does the warp engine work 💪

@peccatumDei 3 года назад

I agree with whoever pointed out that the -A makes perfect sense: Discovery NCC-1031 was reported last, and time travel is unlawful. The fiction within the fiction therefore, is that NCC-1031-A is new construction. My only real problem with the redesign is the detached nacelle upgrade. Canon tells us that warp drives work by routing huge amounts of energized plasma to the warp coils in the nacelles. Disconnect the nacelles, and how do you transfer the plasma back and forth, unless you have some kind of transporter pipeline? Then you add in the whole issue of Dilithium after the burn, and you have to ask, why have warp nacelles at all? Might as well scrap them. The only rational explanation for the use of Dilithium, is that the crystalline structure was perfect for guiding streams of matter and antimatter to collide with each other. The Burn would seem to have been an event where the structure expanded, allowing antimatter leakage, but that would require an alteration to the laws of physics, and the only in canon entity capable of that is Q.

@DruidDave 3 года назад

My theory is that the detached nacelles would potentially operate through some form of induction drive like an iPhone charger, I can see another example of Wesleys warp bubble being created between the nacelles which may have the effect of negating the mass of the rest of the ship and only needing fuel to drive the mass of the nacelles through the boundary layer between warp space and normal space. This would be a huge advantage if you are trying to conserve your resources after a cataclysmic event, or a fuel crisis that would lead to the development of hybrid drive systems like modern earth cars. Mind you I’m not a warp field scientist so I could be wrong.

@halseykiller5463 3 года назад

Induction drives instead of pipes it’s like how a atomiser works

@peccatumDei 3 года назад

@@halseykiller5463 The problems I see with that, are efficiency of power transfer, but also the way warp nacelles create a warp field to begin with. Warp plasma is circulated through superconducting pipes that are themselves bent into coils, just as wires wound around iron cores become electromagnets, when electrons are circulated through them.

@cdtelting 3 года назад

Thank you for the speculation about A suffix. But is the ship even in the History book? How come some engineers don't look at the design and wonder what's up... Surely the schematics would reveal something about spore travel. They would look at the saucer and wonder why the ring spun in the least. They would see the spore room and spore engineering. It would make more sense if they changed the registry number if they were trying to keep a ship secret. A ship line with 1000+ years inbetween successors? That seems conspicuous.

@MrMinoDan 3 года назад

To be fair the detached Warp Nacelles are established since Azati Prime. The Enterprise J already had them.

@lasarith2 3 года назад

The B will be gold colour Bronze - silver - Gold .

@STNuevo 3 года назад

In the 31st century, they have rooms, that are larger inside than outside. Mentioned in ST:ENT "Future Tense"

@andycooper6085 3 года назад

The pod that arrived from the 31st century was bigger inside I believe?

@STNuevo 3 года назад

@Andy Cooper Yes, that is exactly what I meant.

@emotionalsupportostrich2480 3 года назад

Doctor who would like a word...

@nuk1964 3 года назад

But the technology that allowed you to have an interior of the spaceship to be larger than its exterior already existed by the late 1990s -- look at the Jupiter 2 (launched 16 Oct 1997).

@gabrielclark1425 3 года назад

That seems like a _terrible_ idea, if the ship is damaged in anyway the ship would violently expand from the inside.

@smudgeone 3 года назад

Discovery has had the repair robots for a while. The neat change was that they showed the two different robots in that first external shot.

@STNuevo 3 года назад

I guess, if you can attach nacelles to a ship in this way, you don't need transparent material, like windows, to look out.

@megathelos4976 3 года назад

Perhaps the programmable matter closes up the windows; armors the ship up.

@STNuevo 3 года назад

@Megathelos Yes, could be. But I think, the "wall" material are able to show the outside on a kind of "display". It looks and feels like a window but it is simply "projected". They are not windows as we know them.

@megathelos4976 3 года назад

@MGazT Yup, but with that weird mist effect.

@ethanlauder4887 3 года назад

Maybe they just have to tap a wall, and a window will appear.

@joshuaperrine2019 3 года назад

I prefer the original design, but the refit still looks super cool! This is one amazing ship!

@plk173 3 года назад

for everything thats much better, there is a new thing that feels so odd

@legodoc1853 3 года назад

My uncle said that Discovery looked like a D7 with a saucer section glued on

@pifroggiMC 3 года назад

@@legodoc1853 That is very true. But I think when you take it out of all the Star Trek canon, this refit in general is actually a nice looking Trek-like ship. :)

@legodoc1853 3 года назад

@@pifroggiMC agreed

@TheRealJuseBeats 3 года назад

😂

@Killer9010 3 года назад

I always thought Discovery looked like something the Cardassian was asked to build for the UFP, and I kinda like it, and will miss it in later episodes. But I love the new design!!

@Epicuresfan 3 года назад

This and the Voyager j I just love. I haven't been this excited about star trek since I was a kid lol.

@derianvandalsen 3 года назад

Right!? Adaptable nacelle configuration --> detached nacelles. It makes sense.

@DSJonesWriter 3 года назад

Why?

@DetroitBORG 3 года назад

I actually wish there was way more negative space in the secondary hull.

@megathelos4976 3 года назад

👀 Why? The ship would start to look like a flying scaffold.

@jamesaron1967 3 года назад

I thought I was the only one who liked negative space.

@ravneiv 3 года назад

I wish the whole ship was 100% negative space

@jamesaron1967 3 года назад

@@ravneiv Then it would have a permanent cloaking device, LOL

@plk173 3 года назад

youre giving me ideas for more tweaks, im working of an edit of the current refit and thats a phenomenal point

@thelifedyslexic 3 года назад

Just the recolouring alone is huge improvement.

@Jarsia 3 года назад

Foley "I wanna see a spore jump" Top 10 things we never thought we'd hear on trekyards

@geraldford6409 3 года назад

Jump to the Phungus Phantom Zone we hope

@devmag52 3 года назад

But... why?

@Jarsia 3 года назад

@@devmag52 why what?

@wearandtear6692 3 года назад

So they basically made the ship 10000x more energy intense to run? Those interfaces alone, nacelles that need to be actively connected all the time, transporters instead of using a lift or walking and so on. It certainly blends in with the general logic and theme of STD ;-)

@olibeau7955 3 года назад

I don't see the problem, 32nd century warp cores also offer 10000x more energy output.

@wearandtear6692 3 года назад

@@olibeau7955 Irrelevant as better tech also increases efficiency. If you can get a job done with less energy there is no reason to get it done with much more unless for "artistic" reasons. Active support on the nacelles is stupid not because active support is not awesome but because it costs a) more energy and b) can break without energy (and we know those ships lose energy all the time ;-). Certain engineering solutions hold up because they are the best way to get a job done and improvements are typically gradual so it uses less energy or gets more work done with the same amount of energy (efficiency). Those consoles and interpersonal transporters are just nuts; they are only implemented because it is the even farther future and stuff must look even more futuristic (on a superficial level at least): Creative bankruptcy is the term that comes to mind. In a few hundred years all of that stuff is just glowing orbs ;-)

@CommanderMouse72 3 года назад

The nacelles can reattach I'm sure, as you see them detach from the ship at the start when they reveal the 1031-a

@wearandtear6692 3 года назад

@@CommanderMouse72 I am sure they can also transform into giant Snickers bars. After all we are in STD-territory ;-)

@olibeau7955 3 года назад

@@wearandtear6692 32nd century tech, 1000 years more advanced. You don't know how efficient these transporters are compared to regular TOS era transporters.

@jlomesou 3 года назад

The ship looked more advanced from the beginning of the series. It had nothing TOS style about it. So the refit doesn’t really give much of a sense of new era hundreds of years later.

@xXKirkSoloXx 3 года назад

Unfortunately true but it still looks better in my opinion.

@jamesaron1967 3 года назад

It doesn't grant the impression it's _designed_ in the 32nd Century, but the refit meshes much better with the rest of the modern fleet. I think that was one of the primary reasons for the decision to retrofit it, and of course make it more appealing to the viewers. The general consensus in this comments section agrees the retrofit is a success. That can't hurt the ratings.

@geraldford6409 3 года назад

Agreed. Absolutely everything about std s1,2-look and feel, style, designs, tech, uniforms, everything, looked like sometime after NEM, maybe 30yrs after NEM. The producers and writers of STD keep making exactly the opposite choices they ought to make. With zero changes other than some characters being descendants, like Pike being original pikes great, great grandson or grand nephew, and Mikey Spock being a grand daughter of sarek or Spock from a later wife, Droxine like girlfriend, the show and new Klingorcs may have made more sense for established trek lore and fans. Then they move to 3189!? When something like 2410 to 2420 would have made more sense

@Axys_0_Rex 3 года назад

@@geraldford6409 The uniforms echo ENT uniforms, with the all blue. As for set design, you can see with the Enterprise bridge it's a faithful update. Same thing, but new. If they'd made it exactly the same, you'd have tech nerds like me wondering why the 'future' seems more past than the present. Klingons are pretty much identical, but bald in S1, hairy in S2.

@smnash82 3 года назад

Overall, the refit is definitely an improvement. It looks like they installed the Lukari Reputation Shields from STO, lol. Please don't take the following negatively: I appears you guys want to play down the detached nacelles, but there are legitimate questions - Like how does warp plasma get transferred to the nacelles? Plasma is a state of matter. Comparing plasma to wireless technology doesn't jive. You can wirelessly transmit energy, but you can't wirelessly transmit matter. Either the warp plasma is sent to the nacelles via transporter, each nacelle has its own intermix chamber, or there is a new form of warp technology that doesn't require warp plasma interacting with the warp coils. Or, the nacelles are detached because it looks cool. I don't know, but I think these are points worthy of discussion and theorizing. Great breakdown, guys.

@curtisrendon204 3 года назад

It occurs to me that plasma conduits, esp. warp plasma, need to be lined by force fields to prevent interaction with the solid matter walls, so force fields could be used without the physical conduits to conduct the plasma to the nacelles, and other force fields position and hold the nacelles where they need to be.

@bardleyb9053 3 года назад

Are those windows on the lower front of new nacelles? It looks like they might have added a few decks to them on their forward underside. As they now detach, perhaps they are intended to function in a multi-vector attack mode when in combat. The new decks (if that’s what they are) could hold a small power reactor and battle-bridge. If each nacelle had its own reactor, it wouldn’t need to transfer warp plasma from the main reactor. Also, there could be as yet unseen weapons stations in them now, if not a torpedo launch bay, then at least phasers. Great vid!

@999benhonda 3 года назад

Anyone else see an issue with starfleet being able to totally retrofit discovery in a very short period of time, including floating nacelles thanks to programmable matter, and yet starfleet isn't building spore drive ships??? Sure, the facts of discovery were sealed up and starfleet forgot about the spore drive but now they have a working example...they've retrofit the ship super fast so why can't they build their own spore drive ships in short order? It makes about as much sense as Burnham being the only one who can get shit done. There are things in discovery I like, episode six main plot...they need to find the data, end up rescuing a bunch of slaves...a very standard trek plot. But the formula of "burnham breaks rules, does things on her own, saves the day, whispers dramatically, cries" is a very tiring standard that the episodes are following. I'd love to see the show become more about the "crew" and less than burnham. I think all the ships in discovery need work (enterprise was the only one that looked good) but I could put up with it if I didn't dislike the "main" character.

@splatalothiggins741 3 года назад

they would have to do genetic alterations and due to the rules im sure they still follow That is against the law

@steveschweichler7023 3 года назад

I agree. I just re watched the seven seasons of voyager and every episode focused on the different crew characters. One episode was harry and parris doing their black and white holodeck story. Another episode was commander chakotay being the only one awake for an alien invasion. Another was chief engineer Ba'lanos back story. A few focused on the emh doctor and a few on 7 of 9. Wasn't the same damn character saving everyone from episode to episode. It's getting tiresome.

@DarkestVampire92 3 года назад

I'm guessing Spore Drive is just scrapped entirely as an idea. Not because of in-universe rules, but because it creates big issues with the storyline. The idea was to have Discovery be where the action is quickly without any of that BORING talking, character development or philosophy inbetween, so that you get to the EXPLOSIONS more quickly. As soon as feedback came in about that, and writers realized what a terrible idea it is to cut travel time down to zero and no longer allow for the story to slow down and focus on the characters for a bit, they probably already began writing a reason why Starfleet doesnt use that tech anymore.

@splatalothiggins741 3 года назад

@@DarkestVampire92 discovery has to use it tho they built the drive up to much to not use it

@Technically_Working 3 года назад

D&D: Danerys forgot about the iron fleet. It's the writing.

@EugenioAngueira 3 года назад

I like the changes made to the ship. Can't wait to see more of her and have you guys make more videos looking at her!

@chrisgwilliam9893 3 года назад

Loving the 1031-A 👌🏻🖖🏻

@watcherzero5256 3 года назад

Did no one else think the aztecing was lazy? Every single panel on the saucer has the exact same shading.

@PixelatedH2O 3 года назад

Reminds me fan blades. It is weird but still think it's an improvement.

@watcherzero5256 3 года назад

Captain, if the nacelles are held in place by something akin to magnetism or tractor beams it would do nothing to improve the manoeuvrability as the mass is still acting on the rest of the ship even if its not physically connected. The only way they wouldnt affect the rest of the ship was if they were completely separate subships with no physical or energy connection to the main ship under their own propulsion, ala the Prometheus.

@watcherzero5256 3 года назад

Of course Star Wars did beat them on the detachable engine nacelles. i.pinimg.com/originals/1b/82/df/1b82dfdcb0bdede173999a1dfdc7baef.jpg

@momokochama1844 3 года назад

@@watcherzero5256 not really ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-eVDMDyDTsLs.html - look at 0:25

@CommanderMouse72 3 года назад

I thought it was kinda like the moving nacelles on Voyager, where they can adjust the nacelles as needed for efficiency, as dilithium is so scarce they need to make the most of what they have

@bardleyb9053 3 года назад

Are those windows on the lower front of new nacelles? It looks like they might have added a few decks to them on their forward underside. As they now detach, perhaps they are intended to function in a multi-vector attack mode when in combat. The new decks (if that’s what they are) could hold a small power reactor and battle-bridge. There could be as yet unseen weapons stations in them now, if not a torpedo launch bay, then at least phasers. Great vid!

@jpc347 3 года назад

@@CommanderMouse72 Voyager's nacelles made sense though as they were still pretty beefy and looked structurally sound. Detached nacelles make no sense from a canon perspective as if your ship loses power for whatever reason good luck getting your nacelles back.

@Chatiosover 3 года назад

Really interesting that your Enterprise J special with Doug; he mentions wireless nacelles

@wayner8088 3 года назад

Woah...I had no idea the changes were THIS significant until you guys pointed it all out!

@DerTaran 3 года назад

Mass is important in space, shape is not (probably 😉).

@neto135791 3 года назад

Mass and shape import In space, depending on the shape the center of mass will change, and you don’t wanna put you mr trust away for the center of mass. But this Star Trek and it doesn’t really matter

@mrspidey80 3 года назад

Shape is actually important due to warpfield geometry and even more important for Quantum Slipstream.

@DerTaran 3 года назад

@@mrspidey80 Sabine Hossenfelder explains in this video, that shape might be important: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-8VWLjhJBCp0.html

@inorite4553 3 года назад

Yeah, I had to throw any rational thought out the window because Kurtzman. I bet he dismissed all concerns with, "Who cares? Besides...don't they have inertial dampeners or some other future garbage?"

@mrspidey80 3 года назад

@@DerTaran Oh that was recommended to you as well last night? Seriously though, shape being a factor was established in the old TNG Technical Manual. In "The Traveler", you can also see how the Enterprise-D fits right into its own warp field.

@oldatarigamer 3 года назад

Its better - now if they can only get through an episode without any crying.

@terrywest111 3 года назад

I think this design is waaaaaay better. I love the new hull plating and the refinements to the hull itself. It looks sleeker... much more sexier. The more I look at it the more I like it. Though, I'm still not a fan of negative space. I still need to see the detached nacelles in action. I love the new neck... just very reminiscent of the Enterprise-D. The new impulse engines are gorgeous. I love them. Still think the nacelles might be a bit too big, but the shape is definitely better! When I saw the new secondary hull, it reminded me of a Klingon D-7 or K'Tinga. It kind of echoed that look, which I love. It looks more graceful, sleeker. The deflector dish looks pretty cool... it's 900 years in the future. Now, the Commander had an awesome idea... this programmable matter thing, has potential. It would be awesome to see the weapons just configure themselves to whatever they want... they want phaser strips, well... there they are. If they want phaser cannons, there they are. They just configure themselves to whatever they need at the time.

@TheRocketdrone 3 года назад

they still have the cut outs for the spinning discs so I think it will still spin during a spore jump.

@RGMerkel 3 года назад

Finally, I can look at the ship and not gag lol. I really enjoy the updates to the ship. They kept enough , but changed enough. I can't wait to see her in combat and see what improvements in weapons she has.

@Aldaris1234567 3 года назад

One thing I like is that technology is so advanced that a retrofit of nearly 1000 year old ship is possible. Without that level of technology, a retrofit would be impossible to the point where it's just easier to build an entirely new ship.

@gibbsm 3 года назад

The new nacelles are like warp drones, maybe they can act as their own 'vessel' if needed, like the new 'constant wingman' drones the US Air Force is fielding.

@spadesofpaintstudios1719 3 года назад

Why would you need drone nacelles

@ethanlauder4887 3 года назад

Maybe they act as torpedoes? In emergency situations, the crew launch the nacelles at the enemy.

@SciFiBriks 2 года назад

I love this breakdown! Its been super helpful in making my LEGO version of the Discovery-A

@forrestpenrod2294 3 года назад

Seeing complaints about the detached nacelles being impractical in the comments lol. If technology exponentially progresses for a millennia what becomes practical a thousand years from now should seem ridiculous and farfetched by today's standards. This mantra is baked into the dna of Star Trek from the beginning. Matt Jefferies designed the original Enterprise with "spindly" neck and pylons to demonstrate that the strength of future materials allowed for structures that wouldn't be possible today.

@derianvandalsen 3 года назад

I don't get the complaints; Voyager had an adaptable nacelle-configuration to deal with subspace damage, so a detached configuration makes absolute sense to me - this way, you can have perfect control of the warp field, and not damage subspace at all, without losing on speed or efficiency.

@Zeithri 3 года назад

@@derianvandalsen I'd argue differently. It doesn't make sense to me. But it doesn't have to, at least not yet. Since this is so far into the future, that this is just pure space magic to me. You know the saying, sufficiently high technology is indistinguishable from magic. That's the effect here. I think the redesign and 31st century ship, while silly to me, is still very interesting because they are so alien to me. That's how I argue it ^^

@geraldford6409 3 года назад

Drexlers Universe Class effectively established “floating” nacelles, credit where credit is due Kudos to STD for this nod. Given the timeframe, I give it a pass Could make for some cool treknical plot issues and battle action

@geraldford6409 3 года назад

From a warp core breach safety perspective, putting the m/ am reactor/ warp core back into the nacelle as assumed in the tos 1701 makes sense for detached nacelles. No issue using dedicated tractors, force fields to keep it near the ship

@geraldford6409 3 года назад

@@derianvandalsen I had issues with voyagers variable geometry nacelles too If the warp “up” position is best for warp travel, why have a down position, just leave them there. I see no engineering reason the up position would affect sublight / impulse travel, unless someone has a sound treknical counterpoint

@TheAsvarduilProject 3 года назад

I think re the detached nacelles, that basically every ship has variable warp geometry now. Interestingly, I think it makes a great deal of sense - given that dilithium is now an endangered species, the bit of dilithium used for catalyzing the matter/antimatter reactions in a warp core need to be used as efficiently as possible. I bet the computer on 32nd century starships is basically constantly tweaking the position of the nacelles relative to their "resting/realspace" positions, while in warp.

@TormentoftheWeek 3 года назад

I actually don’t really mind the registry number being 1031 just because Bryan Fuller liked Halloween. 1701 was just as arbitrarily chosen being Roddenberry’s apartment number.

@rinehardt6837 3 года назад

You guys are the biggest ship Geeks ever and I absolutely love it. I play Star Trek online and have since the first day it was released and the way my ship looks means everything to me. And the way my character looks and the better the interior the more it's like the show the happier I am. And when you say the new lascelles look like the pods on the Battlestar Galactica I was right there with you I said oh yes see these are my people this is why I watch this channel. Great video is always

@azblueauthor8081 3 года назад

I kind of wish that they’d kept the copper color scheme, especially with the extra teal lighting accents. The new design is beautiful overall. Those cutouts could also be used with the programmable matter to add extra impulse engines for either maneuverability or speed at impulse. I also get the feeling that the warp deflector system is integrated within the bustard collectors in addition to the main deflector. That would essentially give the nacelles the ability to maneuver even at warp, and potentially allow for high warp sudden direction changes.

@ConnorEllisMusic 3 года назад

copper and teal is disgusting

@mattias7052 3 года назад

if the ship loses power, does the nacelles just float off?

@VahmpofKasra 3 года назад

HOLO-NACELLES.... Lose power, disappear.

@Arthur-rb3vy 3 года назад

"Ah, so this is Discovery's fabled power."

@Ma55ey 3 года назад

@PJPF that reply was - so $%&ing cool...

@jimskywaker4345 3 года назад

@@VahmpofKasra it's a faaaake

@HawkGTboy 3 года назад

@PJPF In order to activate this power all of the female cast members must cry and hug each other.

@ChrissonatorOFL 3 года назад

I actually like the final design of the ship for DSC... but the "refit" is dope af too.

@MegaParrotMan 3 года назад

lol the guy below was like ‘your the ship guy and didn’t know the balls were phaser emitters?’

@Penfolduk001 3 года назад

So when they want to go into reverse warp, do the nacelles flip round for greater efficiency...? 😁

@JohnnyZenith 3 года назад

Star Trekking across the universe. Only going forward cos they can't go reverse.

@derianvandalsen 3 года назад

Now imagine one of the nacelles failing to flip...

@derianvandalsen 3 года назад

@MGazT I imagined the ship pulling itself apart, but I like your version way more!

@ethanlauder4887 3 года назад

For the first time, Federation ships can run away. "Reverse Warp, Mr Sulu. Let's get the fuck outta here".

@Posit_Zero_Blue 3 года назад

No...but it does beep!

@ViroVV 3 года назад

I was concerned about lost volume of the negative space but these shots, especially on the underside show that at least a deck worth of space has been added to the internal volume. Basically on the belly on each of the pylon "wings" on both sides of the boat like portion of the secondary hull that smooths out the bottom from the outer edge of the shuttle bay to the nacelles. That is a LOT of added space, even if its just one deck high. It really feels like they used the ship as a skeleton and built a whole new outer layer to make it thicc er and more beefy. Would make sense too as it would functionally be a "modernized" external hull more adept at keeping up with current weapons rather than using stop gaps to reinforce an antique hull plating. One thing I hope they added seems like something from STO design thinking. External holographic emitters. A defensive measure the ship could emit a "holo swarm" of decoy ships to make it harder to target the correct one. Has the added advantage of copy and pasting ships being something the STD/STP people seem to be prolific at doing. One thing this does tell me though is that there is basically no way they can go back to their original timeline now. If the whole S31 series is still in the works it makes you wonder how they intend to work that out.

@1garysan 3 года назад

It's very clear that the saucer will spin for the spore jump. The fan blade textures on the saucer hull are very clearly added on to make the spinning pop on screen.

@ulfsark78 3 года назад

Detached anything that's supported solely by an energy field is stupid. If the ship loses power, suddenly pieces of the ship just float away?

@derianvandalsen 3 года назад

Maybe it's a passive detached configuration we are just too far removed from (temporally speaking)?

@derianvandalsen 3 года назад

...but imagine losing power and dropping out of warp a second before the nacelles do🤣

@Orthanc6 3 года назад

wait, when the Enterprise was first refit for the movies they didn't add an A to the registry. They only did that for the new ship after the original Enterprise blew up. Guess they do things differently in the 32nd century

@Boomkokogamez 3 года назад

It's to conceal the fact that USS Discovery is from the past.

@spadesofpaintstudios1719 3 года назад

@@Boomkokogamez but wouldn’t they want people of new star fleet to know that the ship is from the past

@ethanlauder4887 3 года назад

@@spadesofpaintstudios1719 If you remember what Admiral Vance said, time travel is completely forbidden. In the eyes of 31st Century Federation, the crew of the Discovery are criminals just for going there.

@Maximus2210 3 года назад

So for the spinning, you're thinking more "Stargate Atlantis" gate than an "SG-1" gate?

@sharedtrust3743 3 года назад

More like a Nox / Asgard dial-out, where the wormhole forms without any spinning

@MonsterShewolf 3 года назад

The stargate universe gate was the one that spins Atlantis's gate didn't spin but the light for the digital chevrons did spin

@ethanlauder4887 3 года назад

Come to think of it, would the Asgard be impressed or disappointed with the new Discovery?

@priyonjoni 3 года назад

Great video guys! Will you be discussing the use of the -A in the registry as well?

@alternative915 3 года назад

Why did they removed the 4 connected bridge between the inner and outer saucer section on the discovery retrofit? i get the instant teleport-ish and the magic magnetic, but what if the teleport function isnt usable because of some space storm or other hazard like what happen to the seed ship U.S.S Tikhov? they neither have to run all the way to the neck section to their location or used the turbolift. edit: most importantly, did they fix the hanger door?

@jamesaron1967 3 года назад

The in-universe explanation for the removal of the connecting saucer bridges is almost definitely the personal transporter tech. As mentioned in the video, even the tubolifts are superfluous being no longer necessary. The _real_ reason I think they removed them is to make the ship appear overall sleeker, and more in line with the modern ships of the fleet. Hence, the lower profile neck and flattened secondary hull. The entire design has a more streamlined appearance, therefore, any elements of the original model that were contrary to the new design language were either significantly altered or removed altogether.

@adamlytle2615 3 года назад

I think the reason the gaps were there in the first place was to do with the spore drive. The spinning hull plates and dialogue about "excess energy cavitation" implies that energy is being channelled through there. Otherwise, why go to the trouble of building the ship that way in the first place? So to my mind, the hallways were a compromise in the name of structural integrity and crew foot traffic. Now that they've got the future tech, they can do away with those hallways in the name of optimizing the ship for the spore drive. The future tech by the way, may not be limited to personal transporters. When they're not on black alert for a spore jump, the ship could perhaps form hallways as needed on the fly with programmable matter.

@Andysaid420 3 года назад

In past episodes when they were transferring to a new ship, the ship deployed a hologram field hallway (i forgot what its called) and attached to the other ship. So with that taken into account and knowing they now have programmable matter, I imagine if need be, there's some type of hallway that'll pop up. Also who knows if they upgraded the elevators to where they can reach new places and way faster.

@_WillCAD_ 3 года назад

The new neck is very reminiscent of the Galaxy Class, wider at the top than at the bottom. The neck windows are all strips now. Looks like they added a docking port to the neck, just behind the bridge. Ditto for windows on the inside of the saucer’s negative space. The inner ring is way different. It now slopes up from the belly and down from the top. The bridge ball is truncated on the bottom. Looks like it had a whole deck shaved off and a shallower sensor dome installed on the flat. There don’t appear to be any RCS thruster quads on the saucer any more. The secondary hull didn’t have anything taken away from the bottom; they actually filled in space. The height of the secondary hull at the centerline is the same, but instead of having the section that bumps down, the hull now slopes all the way out to the ends of the pylons. To me, it looks a little reminiscent of the Klingon K’Tinga class from TMP. Looking at the aft view, the new pylons don’t just have a negative space punched through from top to bottom, they also have a negative space punched through from the back to the larger negative space. I wonder if the detached nacelles will change position or orientation when the ship goes into warp? Or when there’s a red alert for potential combat? They may not just move closer and farther at the ends of the pylons, they may actually orbit the ship. During combat, they could draw together below the secondary hull. At warp, they might shift up above the pylons. They might shift position as warp speeds grow higher - putting the warp coils in different positions relative to each other could radically change the shape, size, and intensity of the warp field. Lots of options there. I also wonder whether the Bussard collectors will light up red when the ship goes to warp, or keep the standard blue color. To me, it’s not a Starfleet ship without red Bussards.

@btbcc12859 3 года назад

If it doesn't spin then fill in the gap. I was a fan of the wing cut outs but it starting to make sense visually. That triangle hull was massive.

@nickmann4325 3 года назад

It makes sense to me that the ship would be smaller. The Admiral said that they don’t have the luxury of exploring anymore so they wouldn’t need science labs. In fact it would make more sense to outfit discovery as more of a battle ship considering the spore drive will have them responding first to any threat.

@ethanlauder4887 3 года назад

It's the 32nd Century. They would have explored everything by now. Hell, they have a map of the galaxy on the roof of Federation HQ.

@VolkXue 3 года назад

the detached nacelles could tie in with something they started doing after the burn

@derianvandalsen 3 года назад

My guess is detached nacelles are an answer to subspace damage, similar to the adaptable configuration that Voyager used.

@everettjohnson9374 3 года назад

I'm really enjoying the new style! I do want to see other federation ships in action and see what the status of the other federation worlds are, I wouldnt be surprised if the Vulcans ended up assimilating the Romulans into their society and over the course of a few hundred years the romulans being labeled as baddies would be a thing of the past. Hell with the orion/andorian organization it opens up a path to other alliances rising after the federation had to centralize and begin to recover, good to see theyre still out there trying to help people and not just the new series bad guys...admirals being the villains was nice but at this point I kinda wanna see another direction taken

@alternative915 3 года назад

admiral vance doesnt seem to be much of a villain (which is rare in starfleet) he just simple following protocol and precaution, and pretty much show burnham lack of discipline and always go ahead of everyone instead of following order. unless the writer want to make admiral vance to become a villain in a stupid way like how captain lorca is a terran, as if the discovery 15+ casts wasn't as boring and blend enough they have to kill off characters with good depth.

@jamesaron1967 3 года назад

@@alternative915 They could intend to 'Lorca' Vance later in the season. Wouldn't surprise me one bit.

@talktolukek 3 года назад

How long will it take 32nd century Star fleet to integrate spore drive on other ships?

@hyprodimus 3 года назад

I was thinking that too. And where are the civilizations that dont use other non dilithium-antimater-matter based travel? The federation must know about Romulan artificial black hole tech. I hope they dont make a Q responsible for the Burn and get Discovery to convince them to reverse it.

@HawkGTboy 3 года назад

It seems obvious to me that spore drive will replace warp drive for the 32nd century Starfleet. Its why the writers came up with the whole dilithium shortage.

@steeltimberwolf 3 года назад

I'm waiting for these new fancy detached warp nacelles to get thrown away from the ship when they encounter a dampening field that shuts down all their power. They are flying around, enter the dampening field and one nacelle flies off into space and the other crashes into the hull doing massive damage since the dampening field shuts off all their shields, SIF's, EPS conduits, warp plasma explodes in the nacelle since the magnetic fields that contain it in the warp coils collapse.

@BlackNuke145 3 года назад

This ship and tv series hardly deals with any space based phenomena. Its all about the crews emotions 🤔

@teknikalcrysis 3 года назад

This is just a guess. But with the design shape of the new hull plating...It looks like ablative armor has been installed like what Voyager had when future Janeway went back to the past and gave them some future tech

@STNuevo 3 года назад

I have long wondered why the shuttle bay doors at TNG, VOY or DS9 were still moved, mechanically and not simply replicated. I mean, in case of a total power failure, in due to a battle, not even a mechanical door could be moved, nor could a bent door. Replicated material can be adapted to fit.

@alainrojas916 3 года назад

As long as they shorten those nacelles, I’m onboard! 😜

@JTScottOfficial 3 года назад

They do look shorter, but that might be the angle, if you look at the blue stripe going down the nacelles.

@kelaarin 3 года назад

At first I thought they had (in the first comparison shot); a short nacelle, forward of the joint, terminating at the back of the wing. THAT'S a ship I would love to see. Much more Enterprise D looking.

@alegsb3943 Год назад

The negative space might also have something to do with a higher twr, increasing acceleration and deceleration, and even maneuverability. This is just an educated thought though.

@nikolavonfulton5195 2 года назад

Wow never really noticed all these little details. I honestly have loved the uss discovery original design and love the refit even more.

@megathelos4976 3 года назад

Woo! You did an episode on the Disco-Tron! All hail The Users! As for jumping, the nacelles would reattach before doing spore jumps(like BSG pods)...at least I hope that's how it goes.

@JosephDillman 3 года назад

If there was a separation feature at what point do you decide it's a saucer separation vs a triangle separation? 😅

@GreenBlueWalkthrough 3 года назад

Oh mass does hurt speed and maneuverability in space as you still have to deal with momentum and thrust to weight ratios as you have to get that mass moving and turning. Good video and nice minor retrofit! I am going to miss the spinning saucer section though it was fun and different. Also, EC Henery did a video on negative space on the JJ Enterprise and he believes it may help reinforce it during high warp from the stresses of moving that mass.

@serina3872 3 года назад

The show has alot of problems but I think the main problem with the detached nacelles doesn't have to do with them it's that the episode has told the viewer why but for some reason people are not accepting the answer, probably because of their blind hatred for the show . It's a similar reason for Voyager's nacelles to articulate. It's a similar story for the A, the reason was given in over episodes

@mabiniss2 3 года назад

I'm probably reaching but If I were to guess an in universe reason for the holes on the hull on the back of the ship. That they're pretty much holodecks. I mean think about it. With programmable matter, they can just turn it on, have the holes fill up with matter to seal them off, turn on the environment and program a holodeck using the matter. Otherwise what purpose do the holes serve than just taking away usable space on a ship? A big question for Discovery is has it been fitted with a slipstream drive since it's supposedly in common use now?

@mastere6115 3 года назад

The good thing for the nacelles is that in the latest episode explains how they work with the spore drive, where they just re-attatch

@ethanlauder4887 3 года назад

It would be funny if they jumped away, only to accidentally leave the nacelles behind.

@samuelberry678 3 года назад

I think the negative space in the secondary hull is to make the spore jump smoother. With the flat surface it would have caused some drag, this would relieve some of that.

@curruptedJimbo 3 года назад

In terms of the detached nacelles, I feel like those are an innovation as a direct result of the burn. Moving the warp core out of the centre of the ship and having two but inside the nacelles themselves would save the ship in the event of another burn.

@forresttm 3 года назад

9:30 thats a great outtake.. They jump, but forget to attach the engine.

@stephenwilliams2421 3 года назад

The thought that the warp nacelles are attached at sub-light and detached at warp makes a lot of sense. After all, the nacelles make a warp-bubble that surrounds the ship (and the nacelles) and everything IN the bubble is standing still with respect everything else, including the normal-space.

@jedijam91 3 года назад

I get the reasoning behind the detached nacelles. It does indeed convey the idea of advanced technology. However, my issue with it is what happens when the ship hits some sort of dampening field or an energy disabling weapon. Then the helmsman has to say, "Uh, Sir. The nacelles are floating away from the ship."

@adamlytle2615 3 года назад

@JCResDoc94 3 года назад

☼ 20:20 ive had the vibe that they retach at points. warp wasnt made clear: but for blink. it looks better. ill accept that much.

@ThisCanBePronounced 3 года назад

Negative space is actually a pretty important design element in my personal sci-fi universe. DISC writers just don't have the imagination to have practical reasons for a lot and "it looks cool" is probably enough. Wish I could say more but DISC is already also using my idea of detached components so... I gotta hold on to what I can. :) Imagine away, people!

@JWC3RD 3 года назад

Had wondered why Discovery was redesignated NCC 1031-A, since it was the same ship. Just read an explanation that seems to make sense. That it was to cover the fact that, according to Star Fleet records, Discovery was destroyed and to protect the crew from charges for "violating" time travel restrictions, even though it was made illegal, technically, after Discovery's time, so they would not know they would be violating such a decree, prior to traveling to the 32nd century.

@bardleyb9053 3 года назад

Are those windows on the lower front of new nacelles? It looks like they might have added a few decks to them on their forward underside. As they now detach, perhaps they are intended to function in a multi-vector attack mode when in combat. The new decks (if that’s what they are) could hold a small power reactor and battle-bridge. There could be as yet unseen weapons stations in them now, if not a torpedo launch bay, then at least phasers. Great vid!

@ClarinetgirlMelissa 3 года назад

It looks like the impulse engines don't just have exhausts that face backwards but has side facing exhausts to aid in maneuverability, hence the cutouts. Which would be a logical and practical way to improve manuverability.

@georgemcculloch425 3 года назад

I quite like the design of the new Nacells. It puts me in mind of the Kelvin timeline though with the front being a little more bulbous. That's not a complaint

@michaelpapp5518 3 года назад

Having the docking bay constantly open feels scary to me. What if the ship the systems go down and walls don’t show up because there’s no power? I guess they lose everything in the shuttle bay? I’m sure they’re evacuated under red or even yellow alert. I don’t understand the logic of having gaping holes in a ship’s hull. Unless the materials used in construction are highly durable? I guess it feels safer to have doors. Having doors is better than not having doors in a dozen different situations. Could be doors are immediately created out of programmable matter under emergency conditions? That would be cool.

@bardleyb9053 3 года назад

Star Wars hangers never use hanger bay doors. The bloody Death Star main power core has been destroyed and the hanger bay Luke and Vader are in STILL doesn’t depressurize.

@michaelpapp5518 3 года назад

@@bardleyb9053 you’re right about Star Wars. Those movies were always about science fantasy. I didn’t mind indistinguishable from magic tech there. Trek at least has hypothetical basis in reality. To a degree. It’s more science fiction for me. I don’t know how a Heisenberg compensator works to make matter transportation possible. I don’t need to. I’m happy the Heisenberg uncertainty theory was addressed. If we get a quasi real world explanation, I would feel better about it. Like if holographic walls show up. Voyager had independent power for their holographic systems. Could be Disco does as well. Even with all the back ups in the world, there’s still a chance they all fail. The docking bay and all its resources are completely out of reach.

@evamonkeyN2 3 года назад

Also. Prediction for spore drive operation on the refit. Because of the panel tightness on the hull joining and new impulse stripes on back of saucer i dont think saucer will rotate. However, if you look carefully at the joining point of both saucer rings to the neck, there is infact gapping specifically parallel to the hull plates with the almost turbine blade two tone aztec on them. I think this surface level plating may spin up.

@derianvandalsen 3 года назад

Detached nacelles provide a more adaptable warpfield, thus causing less subspace rifts. This is a logical step moving forward, keeping Voyager's adaptable nacelle-configuration in mind.

@ServantOfOdin 3 года назад

The refit reminds me a lot to the Connie to refit--Connie. So much is changed that it barely constitutes as the same ship anymore. Yes, by design-lineage and general appearance, but design/form follows function, so those connectors in the original design between the two rings had a purpose. True, with this personal-transporter-badge gimmick, that might've become as obsolete as turbolifts. But still. Same goes for the windows. They just upped and redone the windows completely. So what happened to the rooms behind the windows? They need to be restructured and refitted as well, so the internal layout has changed. From a military perspective, such refits are really pushing the boundaries and limitations of the reasonable.

@christopherbeal6900 3 года назад

3:05 and forward. The concern about removal of connecting hallways, and internal spaces; as well as the comment about turbo lifts. I would think the need for multiple common transition spaces is greatly reduced by the Personal Transporter technology. Perhaps, reducing to single passages between critical areas. But I personally thought "Into Darkness" certainly made the need for star ships kind of mute anyway. This is because the transporter technology could transport individuals many light years away. I know this was alternate time line, but I would think transporter tech a millennia in the future would still be far more capable, and still eliminate the need for many star ship roles. Anyway, a ship in an era of personnel transporters could eliminate much of the need of diverting power to additional shielding to plug hull breeches if there was less passage ways between different areas of the ship.

@jamesaron1967 3 года назад

All I'm going to say is the refit is a VAST improvement. The more I see it the more I like the change. It actually makes me look forward to viewing future episodes in this season. I guess this qualifies me as being true 'ship guy', LOL. Great video on the breakdown of the changes to the model. Can't wait to see it in action.

@ethanspaziani5269 3 года назад

i like the spin ... And personally I really liked the older design I could really feel the old aesthetic that they were trying to go for it resonated with me anyways the new design kind of looks like there's newer movie designs that I'm just not a fan of :/

@paulscott2037 3 года назад

I've always loved the Disco design. It's possibly my favourite ship in all of Trek (It wasn't at first. It took a couple of season for me to warm to it.) But I love this refit too. I just hope they establish that the ship clearly has less decks now.

@jedimindfrak82 3 года назад

Great video as always but you guys need to get that signal strength up! 😁

@miller42 3 года назад

They should have filled the space between he two rings. What is the point of all that negative space on the secondary hull? The concept of floating nacelles is probably one of the dumbest things I've ever seen on that show, especially with Saru saying that it adds more maneuverability. They don't use newtonian physics in Trek.

@adamlytle2615 3 года назад

I think the point of the space the saucer has something to do with the spore drive. Can't be a coincidence that the hull plates spin in opposite directions and there was dialogue in season 1 referring to "excess energy cavitation". So now if anything the fact that they've removed those hallways kind of reaffirms that. They've been removed for additional efficiency of the spore drive. As for the detached nacelles increasing maneuverability, as others are saying in the comments, its precisely because they don't use Newtonian physics. Just as Voyager's articulated pylons allowed for variable warp field geometry, the detached nacelles provide more flexibility for a similar sort of function.

@Baz_R 3 года назад

I do not consider warp, a maneuverer as such, so when I am thinking about how these nacelles will improve manoeuvrability, I do be thinking at impulse/sub-light speeds. When you see ice dancers, they use their limbs/arms to control their spins and such, or a cat. I would like this to be the case as it is not beyond the scope of belief that angular velocity control is what the function (or one off the functions) is of these detached nacelles. It would be a visual treat to see the ship use these 'weights' to offset the ship to the desired orientation. The ship visually appears to have its centre of mass more dialled in, they have padded out the front underside of the secondary hull and it now really tapers away to the rear and then the cut outs, that is really a big shift of mass from the back to the centre of the ship, without I believe losing any internal volume/useable space. Notice how the slant/topside of the pylon runs up and across the rear shuttle bay when viewing from the rear, I am finding it hard to see somewhere they have not changed at least a little bit, even the inner 'doughnut' of the saucer has lost the vertical exterior section, now it is all angled off. (I suspect I was not the only person heading for 3D software the night of broadcast to make alterations or start a new mesh/model!) Having said that, it will probably end up doing something totally stupid. From an engineers perspective, I enjoy it when they try at least a little bit and yes I know there has to be some suspension of disbelief when it comes to such things. None the less I am excited to be watching it this season, much improved show. Good video also.

@JanglesPrime999 3 года назад

EC Henry did a video on warp coils and thinking on it now it would be a lot of mass in a small area. You may be on to something.

@Baz_R 3 года назад

@@JanglesPrime999 Yeah it all works if the design is driven by real physics, but as I said above, I am waiting for it all to be for the wrong reasons :( (I do hope to be surprised though!)

@squaredtoo6393 3 года назад

As far as Calypso is concerned, we don't know what happened to Discovery during the year delay to the current time. That can be a story all it's own. One year for Burnham but who knows how long for ship and where the crew was during the delay.